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tv   Cross Talk  RT  February 3, 2023 9:30pm-10:01pm EST

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i want to be too extreme here, but it seems there's a major shift going on in german foreign policy since the end of the cold war. and the, the pinnacle i think the most well known foreign policy trajectory of germany in the postwar years was os poet teak specifically, which is meaning basically essentially having some form of reconciliation with the soviet union. then later russia that appears now to be completely off the agenda since the foreign minister of germany, better boxes than we are in war with russia boss. yeah, it is terrible. what they are saying and also doing by committing to sent arms into a conflict. it is actually a departure as you just said. it's a departure from a post 1945 agreement with the word we as a always a banging on it's we are not fully supper. and so i'm in the us. americans are
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still very active in ramstein airbase and they do tell us what they want from us actually. so it's not entirely they did german decision, but i agree with you. it's a break with our post world war 2 position in this. and i'm definitely opposing that to as many other drama do. i mean, we want to have peace with everyone and that stuff so clear. you ostrom, population, 80 or 90 percent, would really say no, we don't want to have any war with nobody. ok, we may want to defend to will, right here and there. that's what we have done in somalia and other places in molly . at least that's what we were being jolt but, but to go to ukraine and send arms into a conflict and have a conflict with the russian federation. the majority of traveling was and know what was it going to bell based steven? it's, it's, you know, it to make it the of the point even more clear when the unification of germany was
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happening in the, in the soviet union under a boat of a child. gave it a green light, which surprised a lot of people because they were reservations in western europe, not in the east year. but there was as a declaration of a united germany, the germany would be a force for peace in stability. it seems to me that they have walked away from that . okay. and then when we hear the german chancellor talk about re militarization, a lot of people in the east are wondering what did we agree to where the real universe, asian of germany go ahead, your thoughts? unfortunately, even during these 1st years, officer, the cold war, during health call and mr. and against germany did the stabilize the east of europe. unfortunately, by recognizing the at the time the legal, national, florine and creation from yugoslavia. and i think that open the door as box as far
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as for the german stance, it is becoming more and more clear to everyone. everybody what was clear, baby to certain people that were called lunatics and that's germany isn't occupied country. that basically the 4 occupations dissolves, i've actually turned into to look at based on dolls. and he's there in western germany. and then what happened with the fall of the berlin wall? a whole germany was occupied by the americans. and now we see that because i just want to remind you what mention this, this name. so many times i think i should get a scholarship for this guy or something. dollars, friedman because he said repeatedly in 2014 and 15 that the americans wants what the germans don't want. they want to that for the germans to get armed, turn their peaceful industry into military industry and go to the east and what he explicitly sat in belgrade and glove in 41. if i was a german,
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i would never want that for my country, but i'm american. and the geopolitical goals of the united states are similar to those of great britain in the past. it is to confront the 2 most logical allies, which is germany and russia. and then again, what happened with the, with the north stream? i mean, i hear this, this really loud silence from berlin. nobody is asking about the serious investigation. while before this happened we, he, we heard both exhort be a nolan and president by himself saying that was they were the 1st thing that they will do. troy the north theme. now it is destroyed and nobody's talking about it anymore. yeah. yeah. so now matthew, in my 1st question's around here, i talked about june and german unification. and the deal was we know this from the documents. is that okay? a united germany will be part of nature, but not a one step further to the east. but it's really quite interesting is that the
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german question is, is again, a tim fronting us because that was the 1st nato expansion was the unification of germany. that said the precedent to keep moving further east. go ahead. matthew. know that that's absolutely right. and that, that was, i think in many ways as the idea of the pen doors box was already brought up. certainly the path towards our own, an elite or germany, germany's sacrifice and annihilation ultimately. and i think that germany is, and many germans and many politicians, though they're not loud enough, are beginning to speak up about the fact that they recognize that they're being served as sacrificial tools in any ways. very similar to the type of approach that we've seen taken it, leading up to world war 2. when, of course, you know, looking at b, b can hitting he hidden history of world war 2. we find the hand of anglo and american industrialists banking behind the growth of the hitler machine. originally
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the design was to just go straight on, destroy russia, and have them destroy each other. but ultimately, that was not what hitler did. he did other things instead and broke from the script . that being said, he was still being manipulated by foreign forces. it wasn't a sovereign entity. and just like today it's not a sovereign entity. and it's part of a broader a program that involves do rehabilitation of nazi up nazi history, pro nazi history that tries to p, russia. the point of that point. it's very interesting to go to ralph here because, you know, we have, you know, we have at least a better bach, who is the most militaristic and aggressive foreign minister since ripping trop. okay. who brought this up here? because the, the, the, the supporting of ukraine in the whole faith tank debate is that it's supporting the regime in care of that has nazi and near neo nazi, fascist speak elements to it. this is well, no, this is not a hidden history here. this is a bad look for germany. ok, considering what happened in the middle of the last century ro?
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yes, exactly. peter and i agree with everyone here on this. what has been said now germany has broken the cease fire of 9th of may. $945.00, because to the, to plus for tree the order was called the to treaty of settlement for germany. it's not a peace treaty. so we are still stuck with the potsdam agreement from 1945, which is actually just a cease fire agreement. and we have never had our full server entity since that time. so what is now happening? i mean, the end of 2 plus the foreign trade from $990.00, allowing us to be unified. we promise that the united germany would only have peace come from its sauder. and it's very strict under article 5 of the nato treaty that we can only participate in military actual defend lay to
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a territory which ukraine certainly has not yet. i say yet at this stage, and also we are bound by the 2 plus for treaty under international people's law. that we only use our military according to the un charter chapter 7. which did allow us to go to places where it was a un resolution. but for instance, the cause of all war, it was already not so the cost of the war has had no un mandate, no resolution by the un security comes. so here we go, we have broken it now. a 2nd time after 1945 that we are becoming party in an armed conflict. and when people are due in my country that this is not that we are not a party to the war because we only send arms and educate soldiers. no, no, it is,
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and that is prohibited. i mean, what, what happened with germany is being set up to go to our guest in belgrade. stephen, is that, you know, of fighting to fighting russia to the last ukrainian or they throwing in the germans now or the germans also, you know, the 2nd tier because you know, what is the downside for the united states and all of this very, very good. okay. actually, this is a conflict down the cheap when you, when you're in the, in the broad scheme of things here is a sacrifice ukraine to by russia and that, and the germans are, are, are volunteering right behind me, ukrainians here. go ahead and bel, good. actually, i think that also there is a broader plan to sacrifice all natan naples, eastern members, 1st the baltic strict states. unfortunately, many people are eager to go to war with russia. their laura, i don't know, this is, this is really very my friends. i lived in poland for 10 years. i know
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and the mind said, but i recognize it, keep going. i think that is well being. and another thing i happy that's and lena, bad about was mentioned here because the greens have something about going into into, into war you know, into war adventures because it was your fish in 1999 from the green bar, the leader at the time who was the strongest advocate of the bombing of the nato aggression against serbia. montenegro, are you federal republican lobby, as it was called back then i also would like to remind her to remind you that actually to recommend everybody there is a wonderful book and a movie. it is golden german eddie. see that adopt look was back. and it is about cooper waking up in 2014 in the middle of berlin film. some is brilliant but what he wanted, what it's he says that he doesn't like the
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a of the he does like the neo nazis. he's daryl amateurs. the only party that she respects are the greens for and i thought that the all of their robin you thought being in advance. so now when we hear molina bedroom saying that we are in war now that the greens are actually the greatest advocates all of coal mining, they forgot about grand fi and all the agenda for 2 years ago. and we can see why the older of the film, i really had this in mind. well, it's, it's, it's, it's very interesting because it's the most hypocritical party in the world, maybe right after the there were the democratic party in the united states here. but i mean, after, after decades of anti war and i remembered in the 1980s, i mean i was there signatures bang. okay. and then once i go into power, there, a whole green agenda seems to go to the wayside here. it's really quite remarkable, gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on germany state with our
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t ah. for november 22nd 2022 outraged orthodox christians confronted ukrainian security service offices looking entrances and exits to keep the oldest monastery. they were looking for a russian spies among the monks. we mean dealer seaman nurse and he was new i phone . the reason for the brutal crackdown one church is parishioners said, song a song about russia. ah, it's wrong been reason enough to condemn any orthodox christian attack in prison and even kill them. russia, english opinions because when you love store you any sort of throw us layla fenusse total us, you use
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a samuel sample. i used to miss dodd, this seems need he just sat down with oh, none of what is be spoken by the united states all by you when he's really cool that fighting a war, essentially to prove when the better done the surgeon. so for russian follower, once again in this region, and saw that it will swarm to the limit. i've won as it is, it's possible in time i'm rick sanchez. and i'm here to plead with you. whatever you do. you do not watch my new shelton fiercely. why watch something that's so different opinions that you won't get anywhere else work of it. please do have the state department,
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the c i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead. i change and whatever you do. don't watch my show stay mainstream because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you think . ah, welcome back across the top where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home edition. to remind you we're discussing some real lives. ah right, let's go back to my trail. matthew, where is the issue of sovereignty here because, you know, will lead a better boss. the 3rd time she's been mentioned in our gathering here? mean, she seems to be the perfect creature of washington. i mean,
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she's famously said just recently, she doesn't care what her voters think about, you know, ukraine. she's got to decide herself here. i mean, obviously the social democrats, the united states, the anglo powers of never like social democrats in, in germany. they don't like us polity, but emily to bear boss is the perfect trojan horse for them. ok. and remarkably, she's in the green party here. and she seems very comfortable of having sovereign choices. we're a country made by others. your thoughts? yeah, no i think the, the croatian president, need a very strong counseling. said i, i heard very announcing that we're all at ward or that germany wants to go towards russia. well, good luck on that. it didn't look good the 1st time around. i hope it works out better, but it doesn't look good. and i think that overall, what is happening, if anything, on a positive side is that the population is being pushed to the brink right now where we need more of an activist, poppy lation,
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and more of an activist participation or intervention within the business and military community. of people who, who recognize that they're about to not only repeat history but now with nuclear weapons packed into the formula. so we have people like sarah bugging act. we've been doing some very interesting things and attracting a lot of support from both the right and the left alike. people who would normally never get together and have any common agreements on any single points but are but are in a chord that there isn't no voice. it is a vacuum of, of leadership calling for peace and she's doing it and call calling for potentially setting up a new party around this idea as well. so for the, the delay good party who's been the only one to speak up against this war policy. but i think that this whole idea of, of having a disdain for populism makes bareback, really a jim, a wet dream of a gym, for technocratic managers who love to have the little detached him compassionate
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free puppets who are so ideologically committed to a certain world view. that they can't seen, don't care about the pain that they're doing to real people. you're bringing up a really good point there. let me go to run back to ralph here. urea, you're in germany. you're in munich. we hear the german chance are talking about a form of re militarization, but his government keeps going over its own red lines, obviously in service of london in washington here. but i mean, this re, military, is that what young german people want to go into the a new better mark? i mean, it is that does that exist? because one of the things, the speech that the champs are made recently, which got almost no coverage at all. but you know, expanding nature to the life with mal dover in armenia. presumably though it would be the troops because the friends still want to get in the military. the italians doubt the germans,
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delta spaniards build the portuguese dealt but maybe we can get these mild opens to do. it bores very much like ukraine is taken on the market position and you know, we're going to die for nato. ok. i mean, i, you know, i can hear the rhetoric and i see the pressure from washington. but i mean, are there going to be hundreds of thousands of young german men and women that want to join the military? now definitely not. and i must say it also would be absolutely illegal to, to do so. i mean, we have article 26 of our basic law of interest, the poster 945. the constitution that prohibits us to, to go into any war and to, to participate, and any war without defending own territory or nato territory. but of course, if you mentioned that we have nato expand again into territories that far beyond that. and of course you would press and who would go there and actually fight fight
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for, for the course. but i don't see in germany any mood to go to war. i mean there's, well, the opinion polls always say 46 to 42 percent in favor or not in favor of sending some arms or helmets to your great know the tanks. it's already 48 percent. was saying no to that. so we are getting closer and closer, the probably even more people would say when the comes to fighter jets steps. the next step of escalation that probably 6070 percent will immediately say no. that would refute that. at the moment it's not a talk route. i mean, the tell me and my guess and my audience here, this public opinion count in germany. no, it doesn't really. and that's the problem. that's why i'm banging on it turned out to speeches that i'm giving here in germany. and i draw more and more support as, as it was just said that sarah barton connect, she's also doing that. you know,
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we are the new piece movement now, and we attract more and more people from the center of politics and drought. and not only d using fringes of the far left and, and to far right. no, it is coming to the normal people in the streets who say, no, we don't want to have and it works especially not with russia because i mean, people know what it would mean and we, we don't want that. and i said recently in the speech i said, trans flush all shows them in front of us and tell us about the consequences of what he's doing there. and if he's been carried again over a red tape that the mainstream media put there out for him to to say yes to fighter jets. he should explain to us that yes, this could mean also bumping of parts of germany. and that is the result that we don't want to see. yeah, i made the stephen. you know, we go what all the way back to january of last year. did you have any idea that
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we'd be talking about this, you know, 1011 months later talking about, you know, people preparing for the possibility of accomplish 8th, a nato russia conflict did then ever enter your mind 11 months ago? actually, it kind of did, i must have shebra ever since 2014. it's not even over 2000 or $800.00 in conflict. we've been we've seen this poker game while the west is constantly raising the stakes while russia falling. maybe this is actually quite risky from the russian side because it was never proactive. it was actually even february 22. although this might sound crazy, was a reaction because there was a build up in that and he certainly the ukraine. there was a gratian prime minister on the blank, which was many times that they want to share their experience. all basically,
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it's about expelling serbs from today's grace from from republic subscribing up. in $95.00, it was repeatedly sad and they were giving practical knowledge to ukrainian how to do that with don boss. and once russia, i mean russia is bad at the b r, that blood spaces was russia made them move into the in february. then all how broke out as if it came out of nowhere really, but going back to germany, i think that now was going to washington are trying to compensate some of the foreign policy. they're trying to give germany some kind of a small reward. and this is the, the german behavior, the germ of demo frank behavior in the balkans. now ross in germany, k with the so called plan for gospel, which basically says that serbia should recognize the legal session of also i'm a thought here and all, by the way, say, you know, no, do it's closest ally, have the security council,
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which is russia by imposing sanctions against russia. so again, germany is used as a tool not of its own foreign policy but of american foreign policy. while it is supposed to think that it is proactive in the balkans, if it is not proactive in, in, in the east. while it is constantly being bullied natalie by washington in london, but also they have in war so, and even the baltic states. so this is really a very sorry scenario in which the maids are, let's face it landed and washington are re occupying europe. and not only was through europe or because western europe is doing this. reluctantly on talking about barrison and berlin, while eastern euros like move walkers are going into into the fire. then the new axis is washington, london. you're it's, they get it, it's a wash. it didn't london, warsaw, kia, that's it here. matthew b, me the i find it so disappointing,
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but i fully expected it is that we have these leads and this is obviously an elite agenda. how it doesn't have popular deep popular support. but they're, they're looking at big tree defeat, they're looking at as a binary. and i want to go back to something that, that ralph was saying, but they don't want peace. see, they want a military outcome. but if you were approach it discursive way in a very how did, how can we get peace then that goes back to what the russians propose december 2021 is saying, we need a new european security architecture. and that is, i have very bad german for bowden. go ahead, man. i absolutely. and that, that is absolutely what is needed in a it is in my mind, in my mind, a kindle, the memory of the report of hoards the world nic, negotiated by walter wrapped up and how a nation 22 after world war 2 in response to the impossibility of paying the
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draconian or the the impossible oversight debt repayments and happened how had very good relations with a network of diplomats within russia. the newly formed bolshevik russia that recognized, okay, we all lead industrialization. we only growth of development need when, when the language of the text is very strong, you are the american present at the time and an enemy of the league of nations was sabotaging that 1st attempt at a one world government. warren harding, who later died of oysters, also making short to, to settle bilateral treaties with russia, with russia, with germany, with austria. so you had a whole network of pro industrialist pro nationalist leaders century ago. recent resisting this idea of a great reset of world civilization around this whole, you know, london centered league of nations operation, which were, i mean, i think a lot of parallels to what's being done today. and i think that and it's all your attitude, me the point that the real issue at stake right now is the fight over the multi polar system,
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which is coming online very quickly in germany being one of the only by or one of the most bible units in europe that has a productive middle shot and a capacity to contribute actual works of productivity construction, bridge building between east and west and north. how that goes back to the german question here. ralph, we're almost out of time, is the adage, keep the russians out. the germans down and the americans in this is that, is that the modus operandi. 20 or 15 seconds. go ahead. now i do believe that, and you saw that with the bombing of to pipeline that they can dictate to us how did one that i was into chancellor's office a week before the bombing of the pipeline said, please sign the monitoring agreement. if you don't do it, i do it, he didn't do it and then they bombed it. so someone must have run up washington and say we got a problem here and we have to get rid of that. that's the way it goes. and the, and the rest is history, but of course it's one of those things that we will never know because the people
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in power don't want any of us to know as all the time we have. i want to thank my guest, montreal, music and, and bell later. when take our viewers for watching us here. darky. see you next time. remember, possibles ah ah, ah, ah, ah, at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free its people. and to defend the world from great pain. who's
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a the we will bring to the iraqi people, food in medicines and supplies. and free with some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities and other countries. the united states of america is different. wearable people long to be free. they will find a friend in the united states. ah, with a human being a little bit odd about it evolved anybody?
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basie, sincerely, city in p. draw. you look at the book, they incentives of each cigarette. you color revo notions. is one among several meetings to reach the goal of conquering foreign lands and bringing them onto the help of u. s. western economic interests. people been sadie. i did that. he did to go by the demographics. yeah. during retreating corollary, sol suite. that's a little bit soft by me. again. the final goal of these thing revolutions is to ensure that there are no independent players in the world anymore. ah
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