are important for preserving our history so that it is a loss to future generations. but our fiscal museums places themselves a relic of the past. this is one of the best museums in the world or from a touch and st. petersburg. how property is the director here and i bet he has met with ah hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things considered on peter level? it has been reported. the c i. e. william burns offered russia 20 percent of ukrainian territory in exchange for ending the conflict, the kremlin, the white house and the cia all have rejected this reporting, all of which makes us think the opposite. some of the biden administration want to wrap up this. needless for an adventure,

ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a podcast with a gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet pre bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor at, you know me, internet media project or gentleman cross stock rules. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated probably start out in budapest, george you. this reporting, i know you're aware of it here, has been a lot of commentary on it on all sides involved with the exception of ukraine, which we'll talk about have denied this, which gives some credence to me that some someone in the by the name is grayson. is i'm, i'm a be applying some kind of trial balloon, not the chinese weather balloon, but a trial balloon. your thoughts is it doesn't mean anything. well, unfortunately,

i don't think it does. i then to think that the biden administration is just set on the par and, and there's nothing that's really stopping it because the american foreign policy stablish man is step on the spot. so if we look at the latest issue of foreign affairs magazine published by the council of foreign relations, a, the big in house, mag of the foreign bond establishment. there's an article by michael book full, the full, a us, a massive russia calling for total victory of russia. there's an article by garrick us bar. i was, is that a victory to the day on conditional surrender boots in an article by alexander then saying the same thing. so they all bang using drug and we had bars johnson in washington this week. again, let's say we need to go victory. what about the prospect of nuclear war? 2 against bluffing, and then you know, and that's and they are,

there will just repeating it. so unfortunately, for the united states, this long as, as seen at the moment is a godson basically europe as in eliminated as any kind of a force in the world. nato is consolidated. and the american leadership, the military industrial complex is coming very nicely because essentially european defense in the civil now just vanish. it will be replaced by american equipment and russia. they continually debilitating russia. and so i wish that there were some serious negotiations towards peace. unfortunately, i don't say the ma, your thoughts here because everything that george said can be perfectly valid. but at the same time, there could be some kind of sniffing around and seeing what the attitudes are. you know, how far the russians are going to go, or the even open to any kind of negotiations. and again, i want to stress,

you know, your brain as a player and all this was not mentioned. ok, so nothing about your grade without ukraine doesn't seem to be in play, but everything that george said could be possibly very valid, which i can do agree with them. i just wonder why the story was loaded. he came from swift media, go ahead. it came from lloyd newspaper, in the midst of debate in switzerland, switzerland as a neutral country. and it's why you show them the one on the great, you know, isn't it against. and they just, and most of the lawyer wants of the specialist in that one said, know if we're new to college and why do you great. then according to the all principal also support russia. so basically, the question is, you will have such an open head what russia except, i mean, just the last 3 weeks or 2 weeks, we saw an avalanche or confessions miracle sad. that means to be just to

give you some all on. so basically, the thing no worries, johnson also said it was the, i call it a diplomatic communication. so i mean that if you know who was shame on me, sorry, shame when you for me why shame on me is russian one big step. some kind of a compromise that comes from sounds like, you know, the other people basically were pretty much just granted that you know, they like so. so this is the big question. however, i think everybody understands and everyone expects the stable tragedy. and with the current agreement, the problem is that the west is not paid. it was actually be, i mean look, this huge my boys ational tags or what were you were up, you know, they want to get reasonable which tradition,

randall russia. they want to get them all the countries and goals and they all understand is danger. you know, i basically, we see the same kind of you know, the united states and europe make some kind of a very, you was such a wide up in 2013, 2014, for example, russia, the 1st price when the europe in positions are open the open, the cheering the problem. i thought it was the case and look at their speech. even just russia. you're also the, anyone that except a liberal form, a member job party, monday when you came in the last to be patient. so you basically did not have any so rush way just made it. and then you know, the great me and stuart stuck. so it is the same bad on the west volks, you know, russia tries not just then russia. yes,

the station is move to another stage or another level and the west is starting. there is more than one provoked escalation. russia, you have been pro, can russia before crimea will many years and dispatch and the last 5 months or know what happened? you know, before the decision on every 22nd, 2000 and sorting. probably 54000 for you to remember. there were 5 months sheets and there were loss or remediation from your grade. so just all of us are the same. yeah, george is saying the the, the, this reporting from swiss media 20 percent, which is kind of curious because they're saying it's, it's almost as if the west is believing its own propaganda. because if you think about what burst apparently allegedly was offering is 20 percent of the size of the

dumbass, crimea wasn't mentioned at all as far as i understand. but ukraine kia did not have control over that 20 percent of the day before the company started. so, i mean, when people like burns, think that the russians are willing to accept chump change after all this, then you really battling, if you can explain it, if they actually believe their own propaganda, lo, morale, no ammunition running out of missiles, you know, all this stuff which is never been proven. there's no empirical evidence to back up your thoughts? no, i, i think so and, but i also skeptical, i think that if there were a serious often made to russia, i don't think the americans would use william burns. you do it. i mean, i think that you know, why the director of a c. i mean, i know you've been an ambassador before, but so director of the c, i is also a person to, to send the message. i mean,

if one thinks about how this might conclude, it could actually be concluded, you know, they kick, say at the end of the process, they'll be some negotiation. but maybe that they'll be longer go show at the end of the process, then just simply be, you know, thus far, no farther. and essentially, as you know, some sort of a, an armistice on russia takes whatever it takes. and there is a remnant of ukraine, that remains, but it'll be totally on the american tutelage. it probably will be inducted into nato. and then you have essentially frozen counseling, which can last, if you think about as a career, a frozen conflict gets lost in 70 years. i mean, because sometimes they don't last, but it may be because it's hard to see at the moment how they can be any kind of negotiation the most wanted are very well. you know, the russians and the,

you know, food and betrayed time and time again, going all the way back to go. a bunch of and james baker is not wanting to lease. i mean, this is the one with russia. sit down and believe any promises at all made by the united states and in particular jayma. i mean there's something that george and i, on the gaggle of talked about almost on a daily basis, is that even the very idea of an arm, a sister ceasefire? well, that will just, you know, it does take time out to load up your brain with more and more weapons within nato being involved in it. that doesn't resolve and see the problem with the west in the way they, they try to understand or misunderstand rushes position. is it in one security guarantees in the european land mass. ok, that's never addressed by the west. ok. and that's what russia, but this is the origins of it. you can talk about unprovoked all you want to cares, but we have demands and you don't even gain to recognize that we have these demand

steamer. oh yeah, absolutely. right. and also remember the west moke, nothing you bridge the west had all the opportunity just to make the rose and all play for 8 years. i mean point that there was an example of my daughter there was a day will be there other than the oldest. thanks to the rational troops who basically separate nice troops and and then low for me for 30 years. there was not a single person killed, you know, there is a sub and then sometimes, you know, there are people on the 2 sides of that nice to re, we're ready approve. the problem with the dog was that it has never been bolted since the 1014, and it was always an open. well, i mean the western media did not report it. at least in detail. don't have to be

all almost every week, sometimes more often sings in and blockaded. no medicines, no pensions paid nothing. i mean it's, this is never reported in western media. they don't remind people that the means to be, you know, they kept rational because the means to be, i mean, read them in just re pages of the goals that the best in russia with, you know, the establishment of you're bringing over the last, the last point you know, on the be in the pages and there, there are points about emily for people who participated in 2014, not fulfilled by your grades. there was that was about special status. well, the therapy is one of people's, the russian language, no reaction from grace, you know, walk a, trying to believe that nothing has been done. let me go to george before we go to the break here,

a georgia and i am scarf that you know that the very thought it's returned to the mens process. that's essentially what this report is saying. go ahead. 30. yeah, that's. that's exactly right. it's like the western bows is a yeah, yeah, this meant agreement that we never took seriously. never did anything to implement . yeah. that will be, that will be a good framework for a, for an agreement that the russians are going to take as an agreement, something that you are not the slightest intention of implementing last time. yeah, and, and obviously the level of trust is that 0 or a gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion limits. we'll newton state with archy. ah, ah, look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a

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ah, we will van in the european union the kremlin. yup. machines. the state aren't russia to date and sports r t sport that even our video agency, roughly all band on youtube with me. ah, well, the mac across top were all things are considered. i'm peter bell. this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah,

friends, go back to the me here in moscow deem of the again, one of the subjects in the, in that is not really touched upon because they're all kind of focused on rushes, losing ukraine is winning. zalinski is a new churchill and all of this, which is this lot of nonsense. it's a lot of white air because it doesn't really tell us anything about what's most important. and what is most important is when this military conflict comes to an end, which it will come to an end. i personally think russia will unilaterally determine that, but that's something down the road. um, but what about the, the post conflict environment here? because we have it, we were told that europe in nato are very much united, but they're very much not ok. we have the french and the germans talking about security guarantees. the eastern european saying rush is a war criminal. there's no need to talk to them. i mean, because and, and all while ukraine is really kind of low on the totem pole, the board is here. ok. it's really about the relationship that rush will have in

european security structures, if it all. and if it does now, that will make sure that will determine that europe is a very unstable place for a long time. because you'll definitely have elements in ukraine, whatever size or shape and form it is, will be looking for revenge and a undoing of the settlement. that russia, in my opinion, will unilaterally impose this is one of the things that needs to be talked about. the more will be russia just will not remain in the european journal if you want in gender. i mean, the last week we have to awful, awful articles in a one was in europe by on a particular, you know, the former for me to still fall on who is now a member of the bottom. and she basically are all the saudis brush, want me to brush, which is russia, they're all the same. this is the same from fi, we just bam. on the expression isn't which needs needs to be basically destroyed,

not physically, but she rides, there should be no such thing as russia will be top or well by your oil oil that people are not focus as so how can russia remain in the framework over you know john european jurisdiction graduated and the program is what it was damn russians doing with our oil. good stuff to me. exactly. exactly, and this is not, this is not you know, an exception. this is the mainstream on the north east of europe. and now we're told that that the center piece, you know, the central european union is moving now it's full and the bolt in europe was play and that's idea. logically ok. and no, no other sense. okay. or it's chose the relative weakness of the most western part

of the continent, which is really kind of pathetic, but probably expected george russia, an expansion is russia. i mean, in, in, in the last 30 years, only they tell that he's been expanding, not russia. whether she only does the defensive alliance, i mean, everything like very defensive. so that's right. there was a problem with the euro, and i say is that it has very weak leadership at the moment. what you would need somebody in the west who could just take the situation by the scruff of the neck, so to speak, and just bring it to an end. you know, you need somebody was just going to say this policy is not. we have to bring this to an end. it makes no sense. it's not advancing, are interested just leading to them. but there's no one around, you know, we have, you know, sergeant schultz and the german johnson who's constantly just the say no, i don't want to do that. and then you know, 10 minutes late to get your mind. so now we're not,

we're not sending any fight the jets. we are drawing the line, you know, like the jack. so that, you know, yeah, like the just going to be going all the way macros as well. we must impose a piece on, on russia that's humiliated, but in the meantime, i'm going to go on sending them whatever. so, and apparently apparently george, one of the reasons why i'm still in contact with because he's doing a personal papers last week. we will not talk through this with him, but then he kind of, you know, meekly called macro that. can you give me a call for me? i mean, this is how is the lack of leaders and this is the kind of leadership we have in europe. ok, we have a pan handle. her and kid have calling the shots, telling the president of france to call the russian president. it's extraordinary. right? but that's the thing. because you've got these very weak leaders. there is this great danger that we could drift to avail, actual war between nato, whenever the united states and russia, if you had

a strongly, strongly to what have just simply brought this to an end. but because of the back of leadership is just those are the gradual drift to the point where i think it's very us to see how it can be avoided. because there's nobody in the west and trump best, who won't be in power for another couple of years. but that's the best and there's, nobody was just saying this has the stuff, you know, we have to just work out some sort of agreement and big, which is an hour. there's no and i send something akin to eisenhower telling the british and french to knock it off and see what not. yeah, that's it. the kid dema, you know, you know, ever since the conflicts started back in february of last year. so it's almost a year now i've been, i've done almost every single program on the topic, and it's been talking about russia. but can you tell our audience,

what is the thought? i mean, i don't know, but the average russians actually articulated. most people don't think about politics, we're kind of fanatics. we think about it all the time, but no rush is 300 year. i dance you will with the west is coming to an end and this time is quite definitive. i think. ok, because at the end of the 2nd world war, the famous phrase, the iron curtain is going up all across europe. but it's the, it's the west, it's created the iron curtain. now, how does that, how does that do you think impact how russians think about the future of their country? well, what do you call? well, that was, this is human nature. and that in fact, the situation has not curiosity. almost almost everything. so people are not to me, they think that this is just their temporary problem. you know that and then there

is just another normal g as in golf, lex and here i was gorge. he will come if he comes to the ball, will you be able to change the band? i mean, we saw how he was incapacity. he was formerly the president of the united states where she was not school, the american out of syria. you know, it was the defense against, you know, change the immigration rules because they found some walk, you know, district court, which incapacitated. so unfortunately, it's something more serious to change just the guy from the white house we see in the palace. well, basically, besides the ball grown, you know, he did the sand lane, he just said the eat through the state stuff, wayne's. and if you know we have these dogs with russia, we child brain and which will did cool some good reviews for security. he was

immediate in go to getting get for this war there. and as you know, most of the european stepped. yes. yeah. but you're the best the change. but that's what we're what we're in a very, very sad place. george. this is also kind of like thinking about the aftermath of 945 to outside power is russia, the united states determining the fate of europe. but the europeans, a lot of this time. ok, wasn't because they didn't have the capacity. it's, you know, they have the e as a larger population, a larger g, d p, the united states, but it is acting in such a placid manner. ok, i mean, and i think 45 years was bank which it was destroyed. but this is just a lack of leadership and foresight in a god. awful ideology. george. yes, that's right. i mean the, the europeans have been talking since the 1980s about how they're going to develop a european security and defense identity. and that would be. and then in the

ninety's i talked to start talking about the european of foreign policy. and then when i was a yugoslav crisis, i was the hour of your european leaders proclaimed. but it never happened. time went on and your bills become even more subordinate to the united states, then it was during the cold war, even during the cold war, you had a real european leaders to start off to washington like the goal of really bronze that hell, which meant there's nothing that, i mean, it's total subordination when that doesn't seem to be any real need for it. i mean, there's no security threat of the might have been during the cold war. it's they, they find this very convenient arrangement. and so now here they know european people know european politicians know that this is an absolute disaster, but your it will only home europe that the longer this goes on. but they are incapable of making any sort of the lead and standing oven and say in october,

you know, to the united states that this is something that you know, provoke. there was never any need for this with so many opportunities down the road . you have brought this to a conclusion, but there's no one that doesn't see doing anybody as well. who's who stepping? well it's, it's very interesting demon, because there are members of nato, particularly on what they call the eastern flying. so they're more distrustful of berlin in pairs than they are washington. i mean, you know, i think this is a catastrophe that should have been avoided, could have easily been avoided. we've been saying this on this program for a year now, but i have to agree with george many times now is that the americans are pretty much getting everything they want to me. this is a booth for them. well, i think it's a rules that states, it's not a losing, you know, losing a lot of the unit just because of what happened. but, you know,

talking about values. i mean, what kind of european, well, half east cancer shoulds when he was asked, i'm going to stand. thank you. so if the united states, and then i will also say, it's like a, you know, what, you, people, well, personally, i, you know, but you know, night states people, i was so this is the kind of european barrett, you know, they look up to their next stage you don't, i think he's doing something they're going to pull the see, you know, now today's with rush, the war we will be with the day of the world. i don't know what, you know, they may even even the understand what there, of course it would be a capital punishment only for the people who are politically incorrect. you know, it will be for some kind of a, you know, raise or a program. you know the environment,

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