most of the attacks are carried out by the hour chabad militant group and its supporters who cross over from somalia to the east. oh, with what happened with that? what happened with getting caught up with 2 of the was tara tax in recent kenya. history. where with the westgate shopping center and the 2 sit hotel complex in the capital, nairobi, we will refuse permission to take our cameras inside by the strict security protocols in place in the country that we did manage to bring you. the following reports been more where you were one of the more than

a 150 people injured during the way skate shopping center attack. the september marks 10 years since 67 people were killed. we will you, when that attack happened? or thank you so very much or so for having me on this program this morning. ern, as i told him, my name is ben model or my strategy in governance consultants based in a ruby. and for me, a september 21st 2013 was a saturday like any other. i remember being a saturday, you know, you don't have a very tight program. i. i was to meet up a friend of mine actually at 10 o'clock. unfortunately, eas, or he had a problem with his form. so you used a friend's form to call me and inform me that to be getting is if i form a repaired at a shop, the i phone as a repair center,

just right next to westgate. i'm not sure whether that's the case still today, and we made our way through the traffic and i was a security barrier. we're just driving an intentional to drive to the rooftop where there were a couple of restaurants for lunch. and while on the security barrier at that point is when we had one very loud band, much later came to get the i think it's one of the grenades. they threw into the cafe, which was located on the ground floor. and after the loud bang, it was followed by gunshots and we went through by the, the car and we debated amongst ourselves. and our thinking was perhaps it's just a robbery, or maybe police trying to, to, to get to some tags or something. one of the security guards i remember, was also hiding right next to me, in fact, a just separated by a small trump of flowers. and it's, as i was trying to take cover because where it was i was sutton,

a bullet could not find me from the road. that's when i saw 2 men walk into them moment that there were 2 gates to drive in. and that is the 2 lanes to drive in and 2 lanes drive out. and that's when i saw 2 men walking one through the driving and the other through the drive out. and i remember very clearly the particular guy who came through the driving was wearing the fats coverage on his head. and he had bullets chucked around him with rifle, let me k, 47. and that's when it hit me that this is probably more serious than the initially thought, but there was hardly any time to do anything. now you, you are, he and the particular gunman is like maybe 3 or 4 meters away. so you cannot run. there is nothing you can do. and it was, it was quite

a moment for me. so, oh, what i remember vividly was it took aim at the security guard was hiding will. right next to me all was taking cover right next to me. and is your shot in the head? and i remember blood just spluttering all over the place and now i didn't know what to do. so my thinking was the only targeting the security guards and it was in thus mom in, in those seconds that i saw him. amy's rifle at me and you see, oh, where was i was only separated by my car which was right next or the of, of the barrier. and all i remember is i had a very loud but it was louder than anything else i had heard. and at that particular point, i didn't know whether i had been shot or not. after that shot,

i could hear the gunshots, proceed from where i was. and i could tell from where i was lying. one of the gunmen went to the basement of the moon, and the gunman went to the top because you remember there was may him or the rooftop. and whether there was there was a cooking competition by children. and i remained in that position for a couple of minutes. and i wasn't sure whether i'd been shot or not. all i remember is i could see because from the position i was in, i was lying down, but with my, my leg folded, i could see a lot of blood on my right leg. and because i could not feel any pain, my imagination was this must have been perhaps the blood splattered from the victim . i had been shot in front of me and i saw one pass on open the doors from their

car and walk out of them all with their hands raised up. then i saw a couple of other people walk out. and it's, at that point, i thought perhaps it's safe, maybe it's rescue that has arrived. and i walked out with my hands raised up. i was limping. i actually have a particular point, but i managed to get out of the gates. when i got outside the caged, that's when i was saw. there was a fairly, there was a team of like 3 or 4 guys. i will never allow terrorists to dictate how i leave. because to me, those are cowards. i mean, if you have a grievance with a kind of government, you have a grim or you have you think you're man enough. go to the face of the military of god face our police. but why is terrorism on the rise in africa and who was responsible for us? before we can investigate these questions? we take a look at who are the major grouping in east africa. i'll ship up was established in 2006. as a splinter group of al qaeda,

its leaders thought autonomy and the operations to come to the waste. wising from the impoverished ranks of somalia, disenfranchised the groups goal is to create a lot of state and to combat the increasing influence of the united states in somalia. important country geographically, horn of africa, that opens the gulf of aidan to the middle east. while in west africa, the same story unfolded in our jamiah, we boca which means western education is forbidden, has extended its reach since its winds in the early 2, thousands. the group is responsible for kidnappings, most notably in 2014. when they took hostage, nearly 300 school goals in she book here did making the country ungovernable in an effort to push western influence out of nigeria. as for these, let me state, despite the defeat in the middle east, their numbers and frequency of attacks continues to grow mozambique, as with some countries show, no signs of slowing down the operations for natural resources and increased profits

from gas, gold, diamonds, and ruby extraction. the violence and clashes unlikely to accelerate kenya, both the united nations headquarters of counter terrorism in africa from came yet the un monitors and conducts operations against preventing the sprayed up terrorism on the continent. but very often it is these operations that perpetuate terrorism, in africa. i spoke with dr. her son 100, she's an expert in strategic affairs and asked him for his opinion. thank you so much for joining us here. and auntie africa doctor. at the moment, one of the current trends that you notice with regards to terrorism. but he's been a change in typically considering the coming back and the number of dynamics have taken place. the least we that the defeat of ice is especially in its ability to hotel hurry. now what you're seeing is expansion

of ice. you see now the homes are by setting up a province within the country, especially in this high hill teen han and central africa region. why can't the americans get a handle on terrorism when they pour so much money into countering it? while efforts by the united states, especially if they renewed efforts under the ministration to account shut up. in particular, laudable aids extremely limited in part because the critical aspects, which is the developmental aspect, is not at being considered sufficiently. so territories that have been liberated, promotion, for instance, are not exactly been followed up by the soft power that requires that those communities are no longer lead vulnerable, a that to bay to local warlords, or by as an extremist. and so focusing on the heart of our loan has limits and that has been demonstrated and i think is going to require, for instance,

the united states as well as those who are fighting terrorists me, them africa, to rethink the strategy holistically. the width is fighting or trying to fight terrorism in east africa. does this? i've only not increased terrorism in the part of the world. over lions on hot power has a direct impact of cause on fueling the seeds of descent and grievance. in part because some of the kind of damage for it's of the done by trans how to exploit it by algebra up. but and these not unfounded because then when you kill civilians in the process of conducting a mission, a folder for terrorist organization until say, d, ology. now if that again is not followed by a different mechanism that can be able to inspire a hope of cause. what you'd be doing is driving people farther into the arm. so terrorist organizations as opposed to being the opposite. and so what is happening

are people being driven into the hands of terrorists, to some degree, some of the methods employed driving people into extra isn't. but on a whole, i think eve, those engaged in fighting terrorism. i going to have a holistic approach, especially the economy and political aspects to ensure this full of law to ensure the c comic develop in chronic draws. to be sure these pieces stability. i think that is the only long term solution and what kind of hard power, what kind of operations is the waste fueling in east africa that is sending people into the arms of terrorists. the west of course, is conducting a number of oppressions some cup out some of that. now some are attributed directly or at least, you know, the width will acknowledge. one is that the united states may acknowledge, conducting certain operations and taking out terror leaderships at and some of it of course, you know, no one claims responsibility for it. but those especially hard power operations

that takes over involves civilian casualties at exactly the kind of of activities or actions that actually fuel a terrorism. i'm disappointed in the way the west is handling the increase in terrorism. i would say as the efforts are in patient while some of it, especially in taking our leadership of us chabad is something that he's, you know, it's positive. i think to the extent that said, the, you know, sufficient economic and institutional engagement to ensure long term stability. it's disappointing to the extent that now the world and the western world has been extremely involved, especially in places such as the african somalia, that they current your politics seem to have some of the energy outside the priorities on the continent. the home, of course, is something disappointing and is something that i think that the region has to go

to attention that those players need to play more by strong. if we actually have a we, if we have to puzzle jane we and lasting piece or justin africa. but i think in the global south, as we have seen everything t, it's, if you look to give some kind of prognosis to the future of terrorism in africa. the story looks bleak or positive. i wouldn't, i would say somewhere in between depends with a kind of efforts are going to be made, especially in the next one or 2 years. if they're going to be concerted effort and be in touch with me as well as the continent of a focus, if it's energy fighting terror, these the likelihood that trajectory is going to be positive effect. the other hand, we get consumed, we've had the issues of your politics and take our i of the terror rate is going to went to the continent and that is where the allies a few decades ago group, flat boca bomb,

all suburban islamic state was so small that they were not considered a straight to regional security. but today all of that has changed. i visited the old town of mombasa, which was discovered by the portuguese back in the 1400, to ask people there what they felt. i'm in sheila kelly, the old town osman buster where the never streets the religious flags and the fact that there is a mosque on almost every street corner lends itself to the fact that so much extremism comes from these quarters. in fact, we have a police presence because it's unsafe for foreigners and journalists to be in this part of the town. the issue and the problem of terrorism. ashley, bloomy, train politics, wrong politics, beat talk a little bit of people who are bitter and lazy people. and religion

most people here do they like america or they don't like america. he or william? oh the will will. my shop is located here. i can sell like 55 to 60 percent. don't lay comerica. why not? just because of the involvement k, a get mostly their perspective is about really john the maybe maybe if i'm to mention machine and sing that american, what they do of the nasty muslim countries are medically comerica supporting the eighty's that are things like that. you see the find that to the being pushed. that's why the react industry to be some from what we've seen so far. it's a bit vague. we see more of the canyon, the security operators within the country doing a lot more where they could have been assisted with the americans to make sure that the safety of all citizens in kenya is looked after. but to, to be frank,

if you ask me if it's felt it's not felt why, why don't you, when to show us your face and to many people here feel the same way you feel normally it's not unless to talk about our county. and then my country is not good. sometimes your 1st maybe be accused accusation to are forcing bud to for someone knows why does america one? kenya, a america's not really fighting terrorism. so why's america involved? our guys in america said they are frightened til, but i don't think they're fight if they're fighting della this should be brazil. can you help in king or every day? those are some of our coming inside the district or country. they're taking our people every day and sometimes they went to the hospital, they took the doctors,

they're taking every day, they're putting bombs under their roads and then cause i've destroy a thing, i don't think they're helping while they're outside. they're those should comely and help. so what are they doing? why are they here if they're not helping they're here to funding give us money, but to stay with us to show us this is tara, this is what they don't do. both the textbook carried alpha somali militants at the most dish government no longer. once american assistance in fighting tara, it is come up with a unique way of dealing with the problem. dr. fatima alley of the u. s. into national university in africa, agrees with the approach. i think the approach of the government is approach using the military because now this is like combat. fiercely warming them and talking

on hold. and yeah. so it's really comp derek and direct contact to fighting that you work with local militias in different areas where this local militia are not in the same ideology of bob. and they do not really he to a very the, to the petition of maybe the next all the religion. so you have a pockets of sub sophie. this is some groups but also, and also following this thomas political liability. but the perspective, so they're not in twine, we the ideology of us about for the able to help the government to push out. and bob from 2nd refill. and then the problem will be,

even if they approve the bob from these places, they'll be back to over governance of the issue. so the challenge is how when this government is covers its presence in all the abs. secondly, the confidence interval build confidence in the people that they're but again, permanent you move us above, no other group will come and they will get to reconciliation and then they, they come to the move forward. so i think that is also the other thing was how can deal with internal politics when it comes to cleansing? because life is always one of the book of politicians for manya. and i think also this is what looks like some of capitalized. so their leadership would only have been loyal to people of their clansman newman. yeah, the fight against tara is not always what it seen in west africa. the terrorist boca bomb was started by extremists who believe the julian government had been

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yes, i bench. it's yeah. wonderful going on when you die. biondo, oklahoma and dizzy. when, when one day of the gun going, she's out of our life with the po, wonder, now. good. yeah. gosh. the fact is that terrorism in africa is on the wives and will continue to do so for as long as countries, i'm not honest about what is happening on the ground when skirmishes and conflicts are given. the label of terrorism, it allows the west to get involved for the only reasons and their own agendas. these powers, like the united states, france and britain very often claimed a fighting tourism in africa, which has a convenient excuse and to which they can hide the operations to extract oil gas and minerals, as well as to influence local politics. well,

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