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a test and all the stuff she company that we're still a when are you wonderful. below vanessa gets an open. why is the west so determined to continue ukraine? property war against russia? such a position benefit ukraine, instead of considering possible peace agreements. the west led by washington seems to say the war is the only option. why can't there be security for all ah, the news people liked, and in most cases it's good to be as close to one as possible. but of course, the world freedom index it is quintin. all the allies of the united states are in

the top 10 to be all in complex or in the bottom. what does it say about the credibility and the criteria of the ranking system? was kind of this addition of 3. we're going to ask is the a world of freedom index, just a ranking made by the wes justification into involvement and foreign complex ah, since 20 spelled and index at the civil liberties has been published by candidates . frasier institute, germany, the liberals institute, and the u. s. based cato institute now the annual freedom index created rankings based on measures of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, individual economic choice, freedom association, freedom of assembly, violence and crimes. freedom of movement and women's rights. a sutherland new zealand, denmark, estonia and ireland rank in the top of 5 were syria, venezuela, yemen, sudan, and egypt at the very end with

a ron being 6 from the bottom. but just like with almost everything, there are sometimes a large difference between what is being presented and what is actually occurring. sure, leaders from countries like united states, great britain and france, can almost never go an entire speech without dramatically saying the word freedom. but ask the citizens and those countries, how much freedom they enjoy and their answers will be different. even more concerning is how many citizens feel they are enjoying less freedom than prior generations. during me now to discuss is ed martin, president of the official schafer, eagles, and thank you so much for joining us. talk about the freedom index free am. when an interesting term these days, there is this technical definition of freedom and then there's this actual enactment of freedom has either changed from where used to be to now. well, you know, you and i were just talking off the air about this. i think the number one thing that we've seen change everything about what's going on is the dominance of big

tech and big media together, misleading us, or not covering something. so if you go to covey for a 2nd, so i think people now looking back and see the coven, and say what we were told, one thing, and something else was true, right? and you look at that, you say, this is crazy. some people more angry than this is crazy, right? but you look at like the current political, international set of issues in america. big tech and big media does not allow descent from the argument that one side is got a white hat and the other side is got a black hat. and if you do, even if you're in congress and you jump up and say, wait a 2nd, let's do some different. you get back bang down. so when you talk about freedom, you don't have freedom. if you can't know what's happening. and i really think that's the biggest change we've seen. so whatever the freedom index says to me is almost a irrelevant to what's happening on the ground here. that it's almost like 2 different standard, 2 different they're saying versus what's actually happening. yeah. and regarding this index, how much credibility do you actually put into it based on the organization who put

it out when you hear those 3 terms of who it is, what comes to mind? well, one of the fun things about the last 5 years in the midst of lots of things that worry us, you know, nuclear war, a pandemic. all these things that were us is i think we all distrust the experts right now it's, it's like the river, it's a whatever the mirror of reagan not trust and verify it's distrust and verify. and when you see these organizations that have an angle, again, it shouldn't surprise us that human beings act, you know, out of self interest. that doesn't, but you have these organizations a for a long time decades. we'd all say all, well, they've got the common good at heart done look like it anymore. so you just kind of chuckled to yourself. the hard part is young people and you and i talked about this to our kids and others that they don't know who to trust, right. they're, they're sort of adrift and they're looking at tick tock and other places and, and getting a sort of worse advice. so i don't trust any of it, it makes me laugh. hello, look, you know, in your experience, 10 years ago you want to cover that story more seriously. now you look at and go,

come on. ok. so what does that have to do with freedom? then we're talking about these organizations and they're getting to get in there, putting out these indexes. they're basing world policy, trying to justify it. does that not make an impact? you know, i lived in italy for couple years right after school after college, and i remember the government fell and someone said, relax, the government falls in italy all the time, right? so where you are in the world where you hear terms will make a difference for us in america, you hear the term freedom. and you expect to see the rule of law to see sort of a fair dealing except right now in america, you look up and you say none of that seems to be working. and yet the freedom index is saying x or y, right? i'm this in this moment, freedom to me is the most important, perhaps in, in expressing what you believe confidently and most people won't. you know, our kids and others, they're afraid of the environment around them. and that's our problem in america. but now you see it more and more around the europe and the european union and other places to retaliation from their peers,

retaliation from their government. either way, the keywords, they're retaliation, so they're kind of living in fear, not necessarily freedom. i want to get these rankings. i find a very interesting new zealand talking about credibility. they were ranked number 2 . yeah. 2 in 2022. but during the pandemic, they had this is 0 tolerance policy. they locked on everyone 1st to do this. mandatory vaccine, which now they repeal, right? so how can they still maintain such a high ranking in the freedom index when they were, when people that had least amount of freedom for the past 3 years? well, that's where you can see how there's a hole in this whole system because for them, if you don't walk down, you're somehow being on free right. in other words, and that, that may be, scotty is sort of made me think a moment ago. and i wish i'd said it sooner. this freedom index is about control, right, new zealand, excerpt and control. what they mean is when they can control what's happening to us, the government. then they'll us when we have freedom, as opposed to freedom is kind of messy, right? freedom is people that say of noxious things, and you say,

i don't really want to stand next to him if he says that, but you don't bring the government down and you don't usually fire them and you don't usually ostracize them. that's part of learning. so look, i think that was really funny, that new zealand got them is like a people, they're more sheep, you know, the job more sheep than people. and they're going to tell us after the locked down and she said it was brutal australia, same way. doesn't look like freedom from where we, we sit and more will, most of most americans and others are looking at it. i mean, it's common sense to think of its freedom, the government telling you you're free. are you really free for, you know, what do you think of you when you hear a later one country saying that they are going to engage involve themselves and another country's foreign policy, all in the name of freedom. this is, excuse me, here. we've heard it for generations, but currently that's being used to justify other countries getting involved well and back when we've talked about this before i, i sat on the republican national committee, i was chairman of the missouri republican party and i got in that room with 168 others and you suddenly realize that a lot of these people didn't understand what national sovereignty was. this was now

2013, so people still were coming off the wars. right. building nations, bringing our values abroad. that's a failed experiment. now we all see now that that failed dramatically, not only in cost of, of dollars but cost of blood and, and so when you, when people say, oh, let us figure out for other parts of the world. again, i live in indonesia for a year to and anesha. they have no time for the western values that we're pushing on them even though there are lots of modernization, lots of things going on as the years ago now. but when it comes to this idea that my sovereign nation is going to teach yours or in other countries, it never works. and in fact, it's a form of, of, of totalitarianism for the e. u, for example, that by the way, it's happening all the time. the use forcing africa to act in ways and we don't know why we don't hear about it because he doesn't want to hear about it. and frank, it's racist. you know that all black people down there, they're being forced to live in the way that they're told from their freedom, not from the peoples it's, it's

a terrible system. the best system is more sovereignty for the nations and for local communities. they'll figure out what freedom is for them. sometimes we'll point to and say that doesn't look as free. we like a free market. we'd like a free expression, but that's not nobody can manage that for other people. okay, so then does the united states still have the right to actually label itself the land of the free considering everything right now that we're battling here in the u . s. and we tell the world where the land of the free is that really? yeah, well i always like to put it this way there's, there's always room to, to improve. but look around the world. i think we still have the best operating system, the constitution, the founding values. we do have to get back to it. we don't need to get a new constitution. we don't need to get people that are more more in tune with that. but i look, i think that term is aspirational anyway. right. and i think, but ultimately our constitution and the rule of law, it's one of the reasons why the fight over 1776 people hear it. and 16907076. it became for us a way we thought about who we were. that's how i think of the land of the free. but

boy, boy, i again we, you and i've talked, i'm a lawyer too. and i represent some of the guys that are in jail for january 6th. when you see how the rule of law is misapplied. there's no other term than political prisoners that's in america, that's not even in get mo, that's in america. so you say, how is that working out? but again, i go back to our operating system is great. we just have to do a better job of getting there. we have to do a better job of fighting for that system. and more and more people have to have a chance to speak up and be heard because a lot of folks like you and me we're, we're lucky to talk like this. may people just stay on a say i'll just stay quiet for like user error. i felt like i was thinking, martin, president of the photoshop eagles for him for being with us today on this subject to be with you. now, after the break, a leading professor from tehran dispute, iran ranking of 6 on the bottom of the list and says if a raw was actually closer, our eyes of the west is ranking would be much higher. they turned it to the $350.00

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a measure of who is playing nice with the ruling elite in washington? in my opinion, yes, that's the problem. the freedom index is a tool basically that is used in order to put pressure on countries that united states in this allies have problems with. and to make those countries that are close to the united states feel more comfortable. it's not just the freedom and index, it's a host of different human rights organizations and other institutions that are used by the united states. they're funded by the united states are funded by major corporations that are close to the us government. and therefore, you will see that dictatorships in west asia, north africa, or in latin american effort, or in africa and europe, are close to the united states or have been close to the united states in the past . they will get a favorable a trail. yes,

country is that have policies that are in conflict with that of the united states and other nato countries. they will be presented in a very negative life. so how do other countries look at these indexes? do they really look at them and try to improve their society based on the metrics? not that i know, i don't think any serious person in iran or in other parts of the world. i deal with conferences or in seminars, the think tanks. i've never seen anyone take these into account. these are largely for media. therefore, schools, school projects, universities, largely in the united states. there are means of propaganda. i don't take any of these seriously at all. and i don't think any one serious in the united states really takes them to be that important either. however,

since the united states is a m hans of europe, but the nice it's more than anyone else since it is a very propagandized country. they tend to believe a lot of what celebrities say, a lot of what t v says television says, mainstream website say, say, so the united states is a, an exception to the rule. but outside the united states, i haven't seen these indexes taken seriously. again, that still anecdote, do you think it is a realistic expectation to think there could be an accurate freedom index, and what organization would have enough non parsing credibility to facilitate very difficult to say because different countries have different situations or different parts of the world that comprise a different populations some of them are much more

complex society than others. on the other hand, there are countries that have the problem of external pressure. and in the case of iran or venezuela, the united states tries to use political parties to undermine the state. it use this probably gander t out that cyber armies to influence internal politics. so for example, in the case of iraq where the united states, as your country is, have over 200 tv stations that they fund directly or indirectly that are against iran. many more efficient than actually it actually exists inside iran and they have many websites and thousands of trolls, many of them. and now baby, a big tag, cooperate with the united states when the united states directs its rap and its

negative propaganda towards iran or in the or countries i see. but when it's, when it's, it's virtually impossible to compare them. jenny, at the country because very few countries in the world have a foreign power or foreign powers trying to do with their internal politics in the way in which the united states does. and i don't even want to include terrorist organizations that are used to undermine civil countries. what role is the media and a freedom of the press playing and whether or not a country is considered free? well, for example, in iran we have a very large number of news agencies and we have many websites that are affiliated to different political hot parties. they attack the president, they attacked the administration, they criticized the leader, they criticized parliament. those who support the president or the administration and him these, these exist and there are quite

a few of them. but the national radio and television in the country is different. it's much more mild. it. the criticism directed towards the administration is much more polite. it does criticize but not necessarily not nearly as harshly as do these websites what it but that media that government media is a part of the constitution. and the constitution constitution, which was past 43 years ago, basically says that radio t v must be in the hands of the states because it was believed back then that the private sector would use the media to gain control for a liberal elite. in other words, it would gradually,

the wealthy would gain control of of the means to to control public opinion that that is in the running constitution, even if the government right now wants to privatize and television, we can't do so. so how do you gauge this in some index, each country has its own experiences, it has its own constitution. it was constitutions were created within a particular context. since the iranian state, television or radio and television is this particular nature. does that mean that the index for freedom and iran is low? no, because websites that exist in iran, they occupy office is they are very harsh. they have their own online interviews and programs. they're very activist after corona, especially. overwhelmingly,

people are online, so it's very difficult to gauge what it is private own, but it's not in the hands of the public. and they have the ability now or the media in the united states, and a handful of billionaires or big tech. does that make it more democratic than a state on tv network? not necessarily. and i talk n g o, and what role do you see n g as play in these type of indexes? well, for jose, i think shouldn't be a part of any index or freedom in the united states uses. and joe's in iraq to create instability. rec, and have roughly 2000 and jose there and they use them as tools whenever they want to undermine a government that they don't like. and the same is true in other parts of the world

. in iran, the united states had numerous and jose until about or 2 years ago. and then joe's had a very negative impact on iranian society. so when there was an n g o, that is influenced by a foreign country or by a foreign power, especially major power like the united states. then i think that that it shouldn't be included in any freedom that's in fact i think such organizations impede freedom and society because they created mistrust tours and jose altogether do you think the freedom index a served more like a target on the back of certain nations you know, the lower down your look out here comes some regime change attempts. yeah. so the freedom index is used to demonize countries. it's used to put pressure on countries just like human rights watch, human rights watch or am they into national,

may do good thing with the whole. they're very close to western governments. where did their funding come from? the funding comes from institutions and organizations that are close to the states that are close to western western political establishment that had an amnesty usa in the past was a close friend of hillary clinton. so when amnesty international, the human rights watch, i think who's boss has been in charge for decades when they are so closely affiliated to the state. even though they may do some good things here, or they're not, of course, things like the freedom index or us support, and jose are nothing more than mere tools, western governments to put pressure on there and happiness. thank you. professor mohammed randi from the university of tehran, freedom,

a term often used in a speak by those in power, but lost an action. a society based on a freedom, as opposed to granted those who exist within it, the ability to live their lives and do as they wish, without interference from others or hindrance from their government. total freedom to some might be considered utopia, but the reality would probably be more like a nightmare. and orderly existence with any land can only occur with the presence of carefully crafted laws and rules, meant to protect its citizens. laws are crafted with the concept of promoting the good, while discouraging the bad responsibility and personal choice or the priority. now radically, if good laws are in existence, then a freedom is allowed to thrive within the boundaries set. however, bad laws can get the freedom for individuals to do wrong. what is even more

dangerous is when the concept of freedom is used to justify actions which can lead to war. sadly, this is the concept most often used when a country has refused to submit to the wishes of the west and evoking freedom upon the people that land becomes a major talking point by invoking the concept of freedom. those wage in the battle have to stop further inquiry into the more than a far yes. notification sky. now he was in this is been your 360 view of the news. i think you thanks for watching. i lose lose

news. oh, why is the west so determined to continue its ukraine proxy war against russia? how did such a position benefit ukraine instead of considering possible peace agreements? the west led by washington seems to see war is the only option. why can't there be security for all ah, when this conflict ends and it will leg mustang, there will be again, commercial relationships. they'll be social relationships, they'll be family relationships. it's going to take some time, but it's natural. and there isn't going to be a great wall built between ukraine and the russian federation. ah

ah, ah, the russian defense ministry, se ukraine has lost more than 6000 of its soldiers over the possible states. the us down to its western allies are seeking to prolong the conflict with the m. o d. ulta reports russian troops are facing fierce resistance around the dumbbells. a ton of morgan cath, but tough captured at least 10 prisoners were here exclusively from flight or on the front line that more after shocked hip turkey after a set of devastating earthquake to rub edge parts of the country, destroying combs on leaving thousands did their hundreds and near bring syria.