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the many whistleblowers around the world are focused on corruption. they see evidence of waste, fraud abuse, a real gallery, and they go to the authority for many corruption whistleblowers their decision to go to the authorities, results in last friendships and in some cases, threats to their job. but in some extreme cases, the whistleblower pays with his or her life. that's right. sometimes the person engaged in corruption with thought at nothing to silence the truth teller, including resorting to murder. i'm john heriot too, and you're watching the whistleblower. the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 today we're discussing the case of bev beaten dale koran in south africa. b to dia. koran was an official in johannesburg, simbie. so hospital, she stumbled across what appeared to be 850000000 rand,

worth of suspicious payments. that's about $47000000.00. and she went to authorities as a result in august 2021. she was targeted by a hip team of 6 men and ambushed in front of her home. she had told her superior and the police that she feared for safety. and she asked for police protection, but it wasn't forthcoming. the 6 killers have been arrested and had been charged with murder, attempted murder, and illegal possession of firearms and ammunition. the alleged mastermind of the plot has not yet been arrested. the 6 killers should already have gone to trial, but that trial has been delayed several times for legal technicalities. were joined by renowned greek south african whistleblower r e. denique us. ari is inefficient with blueprint for free speech. the australia based n g o that recently honored the memory of a beat dale koran and which posthumously awarded her its international wisdom blowing special recognition award. are welcome back to the show ari the story of

but beat up they'll. karen is one that did not get wide coverage in the western media. in fact, it didn't get any coverage in the west at all. yet it's a critically important case. tell us 1st how this whole thing began, who was by be that they'll cut on. what exactly did she reveal? john, but we did. the koran was a government official. so was in fact dead director for finances are full the department of health in south africa. and i was doing a routine or, you know, check on, you know, figures and accounts and she came across certain dodgy or unsafe transactions. in particular was seen a hospital and dead sea flogged nearly 850 millions in very dubious payments on

a weekly pay run analysis. and there were a few, but came up the there was so suspicious that c oxley start investigating further and see stop the payment on over a $100.00 and full 1000000 ah, rent on on payments. i'm when she discovered those are, you know, incidence yog city did was any whistle blow, does you know, that didn't internal arm disclosure and to see when to his ceo and report the she findings now? ah hop in her on august 2021 on the 17th offer august, she actually sent an email to her c. o. with all the information,

you know the details and see thought that there were you not to, hadn't sitting on millions worth of expenses on a hospital, which was one of the smallest in the area. ah, she discovered that that particular hospital had erase arise on kit, on expenses, 25 percent more than some lot. her mac sick academic hospital was 4 times the size of his most people. so there was a lot of board. it's you know, everything to the department, c. c a fall and coal for an immediate investigation. and as i said, has stopped payment worth of hadn't for 1000000. now the seo oxley started to proceed with the payments and bobby dean, except that she wrote on the 17th of august and me mill at $1042.00. actually, we actually have the e mail. and a week later on the 23rd,

she was gant down. at the house entry e sac are after c, hart dropped. she had daughter to the school. my glasses, a story of bobby, to the garage. what was the immediate reaction to her revelations, why was it that the authorities didn't seem to take her seriously? why didn't they launch an immediate investigation? shook. ah, i believe that day, especially investigating unit was allocated to was thus to investigate that, ah, story a see was actually a witness fall then national prosecution authority in south africa. she was going to testify. so says fear for your lives and after spoken to your family, i was told that she had actually since various e mails, you know,

saying look, i'm big concern and under protection never happened. so i'm very concerned about the feller of a system in south africa, of protection weaknesses, and was loss at the time was if you remember there was this on the commission, you know, inquiring. blaze thought it was investigating the am state capture in south africa. so that was was off talk about the whistleblowers unfortunately, but better the system didn't work for the better. no. now it seems that it didn't. once that investigation began, she did tell the police that she feared for her safety and she asked for protection that protection never came. was she being threatened or was she just worried? and can you explain to us the connection between this,

this taxi industry person that has appeared in the press and the hospital where benita reported on on corruption. this seems to be something of a, of a conspiracy. i don't think it is a taxi person full may be that particular person house move on then within the business, but there are, ah, speculation is that there is a prominent a and c o petition who is actually i, you know, he's a treasure dresser, a general of the aim cease, it can q lenny of region. and he all the companies, garzon projects, nickel hot, all medical supplies. and while i'm not a security, i'm she go that to pointed 1000000 con trucking, 2919, and 4200000 to 2020 any 2000 the new one. it should up to 7.5, millions. so now she looked at the portfolio of this particular

politician, you know, you'll make up your mind, but it's shocking and illustrates that that this, this person's company sold such a variety of goods to the hospital, including clean material of supplies. and even groceries oval vera. one of the companies was listed thus an event here. so here you have an event firm selling medical material equipment due to a hospital. it's crazy and what, but beka and discovered it was to given an idea for plastic waste a rubbish beaks was sold for $15000.00 rand. i'm in dollars. that's probably about water. 20000. all of it's ridiculous. we've seen in the south african press

r e that the trial of the 6 alleged killers has been repeatedly delayed. the most recent excuse coming from the south african police is that they haven't received all of the forensic test results back yet, but this murder happened more than a year ago. why are there these repeated delays that to push it, but it's yeah. one, the suck iraq, now the judiciary softer guides, kowalcik, it's pre election, you know, times ah, the current government is extremely corrupted. so you know, that the do don't want the laundry, the dirty laundry to come out. so they delaying justice. okay. and the 2nd issue is that, ah, z feresi department of africa at the moment. it's under working there and employed to so there are many, actually to thousands of criminal case spending due to forensic reports. ah,

what puzzles me is that, but is there m a poser? you know, spoke about her but beater and she you know i'm, she was, i didn't thought whistleblowers and he protect eats and sir, you know, they need to be the has to be some safety mechanisms and was supposed to so important for south africa. so if i was the president, you know, i'll put some buttons and try to get resolved. so i've got a prom will thoughts. i think the problem is political and the just don't want this case to be to be an untangled thanks. sorry. stay with us because we're going to take a short break and we'll come right back. 2 2 2 2 ah

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this week was a good with . 2 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john curry aka were speaking with greek south african whistleblower ari denique us about the case of south african whistleblower beat. that dale koran who blew the lid off of a $47000000.00 corruption scandal at johannesburg hospital and was murdered for her revelations. or he, denique us is a well known south african whistleblower in his own right. he blew the whistle on police death squads that were using apartheid era interrogation methods on black suspects, including torture and extra judicial killings on people suspected of minor crimes

like auto theft. ari was more fortunate than been beat. it was, he and his wife escaped south africa with their lives. welcome back ari. this reminds me to tell you the truth, a little bit about your own case with the south african police and your own, your own whistle blowing. i can see a pattern connecting your case and but beat us at the time that you and your wife were fleeing south africa, you said that your lives were in danger. the south african police mocked you and they urged you repeatedly to return. well, but beat also said that her life was in danger. the police pretended that everything was fine, and now she's dead. tell us about your own experience here. why were you so certain that you were in danger? what was it that made you decide to leave south africa quickly told me my case going back to 1000 or 4 when i was a volunteer. a peace officer for the soft completely service are served with an

authority skill amana units, and i start watching atrocities committed by mcculloch's. i was torture at the offices, i would say, you know, an extra judicial killings. the unique term was collecting a lot of trophy, faultless off dead african suspects. and us again experienced, realised that the security of pa turned on on far less of human rights. now what i did was in 2004, i saw secretly filmed city short videos with one of my smartphones, with the had a camera inside. so i think 3 videos of actually a torture, often african suspect, the offices. so indeed, what bobby did the guarantees and decided to do any tunnel. bob, disclosure of us all i knew of saw it went to my senior commanding officer, who was also, i suppose, friend, a dime. and up to this day evidence,

and i said him, look, there's a problem here. those costs are the racist, the going around, you know, violating human rights. and they also, you know, i'm, they don't follow the constitution south africa. so instead of i'm dealing with sate than investigating thee, and you know, she fully smiled commanding officer of the unit. he actually laugh about it. he said, well, thus hammer, boys get the results, get really don't speak to anybody. so there was a very 1st issue hobbs, i'm, when i actually i'm report is wrong. doing offices are the softening dilation that wasn't allowed to go to the office. i was searched my son, the funds was collected and putting to buckets and for the next 4 years that he made the force i've witnessed firms that out of us. this was also the command. it's eventually i went public with them. and the very next day i, you know,

a bunch of bullshit came to my home and they tried to intimidate me and tried to give me a verbal suspension that threatened me. my heart, i've been burglars of the same dom offer of the of the month. i mar, soap had been so that's drive by shooting. i was beaten up my store. i talked so many incidents and i knew i had experience after 10 years in the police force to see the model of warranty. and what will happen to me and i end up, you know, taking my was leave everything behind me and virtually all smuggled out of the country, my friends, it was the only way, unfortunately, era, you safety. and unfortunately, i was lucky, not so fortunate was lucky. i'm out of justice. zip. i double passports and i could leave the county, but better, they goren been how the sanction there was an investigation into the allegations

that you and others in south africa made. and you even went to the south african embassy in athens to make a formal statement. what ended up happening in your case. you were able to provide authorities with, with this actual video that you took. and i've seen it myself. these, these illegal police interrogations led to the deaths of people. the videos were very graphic. was anybody ever brought to justice? so in austin, i went to next. all i trotted bit mulash. yes. from scratch, almost everything. so, you know, i wanted to put him behind me, but i didn't is i thought to myself that i got to something about it. i cannot leave all this africans right behind me, the oldest dead, tortured the families. it's all about closer. so about accountability. so i think there's emails through various, you know, networks, media networks, goblin organizations. laugh happened. so then i took everything i loaded on on

youtube channel, and i said i had enough, i've done enough, almo mulash. then in 2011 an activist, contact me through my youtube john all the time and told me, are you aware that that is a criminal investigation or the cat on a unit such as dumb not she? that's interesting. and then that the activists suggest that she get me to contact with ya, 3rd distance of africa, ad jumbled ed. yes. oh wow. that's got we'll you know, so after that, i start talking to you a, the, a national precision authority in the police detectives of south africa. and didn't visit me 3000 since arctica from 2012 to 2016. i put my laugh into holds and i cooperated against my evidence. i'm. i've tried to explain the situation. however, there was

a daughter that were very corrupted and constant i'm. they tried everything to get me to fly me back to south africa and i knew i could not bark. go by soft, biggest a. the so much corruption was in the unit. i mean, i know the guys and you have the operating, but my life was in danger. i mean, i had a new born at the time. i was a father for the 1st on malice and asked was of no, i will actually you need to guarantee any protection you need to put in a weakness protection. you know, program you need to secure the thought that muma family are protected. my dentist covered and, and then it will justify from a nother placed outside of south africa. we agreed to that and then they never gave a protection. they came back, they asked me again to go box africa. i refused it. what did he say was very interesting to actually saddle they did, they took my notes, my draft notes, no,

the ones we talk about them. right. dawn who went bucked court with thought my knowledge and my approval was a lie the court. and it produced my draft notes, i saw an affidavit, the fake, my freak, my signature, my phone, a font. i found this from the, from the newspaper, and eventually they put in jeopardy the case the case was destroyed. then if you buck this off africa, the grease of asked me again to help them with a mutual legal agreement and they get us a guess. i'll help you. but you need to apologize in the 1st a you need to give me some sort of a, you know, witness protection, the lighting again, and assigned them each, a legal agreement statement, the lessons, no protection, and from 2016 to 2019. where a find out that the case had been dropped and i find out by the media.

that was a story by the media. getting back to her baby does case. i know that you've been in touch with her family. i know that her daughter has spoken to the south african media. what are they saying? how are they preparing for? what eventually will be a very difficult trial. sh. i'm a spoken to tony who's a pastor and they are brother in laurel village, but beat ups and asked him said a few questions cuz i wanted to hear from the family and told me that the devastated the told me that they had no feedback from the investigating authorities that told me that they are suspecting that the politicians through the inside they and she are, you know, involved and they delaying the procedure. and they also told me that they don't have much faith on the system. i thought is sod,

they're frustrated coming this year going by and this one postpone it of the other . so they are extremely frustrated than hurt. the system has let them down, the system has let them down. what did these cases say about the system in south africa about the long foresman and judicial systems at blue print for free speech? the n g o. where are you follow these issues quickly? they have opinion, certainly on the south african system. are things moving in the right direction, or are they regressing, in south africa? well, the slogan is sandrica, stop killing your whistle blows, some same footer is wow, you know, this got and we carry so much corruption, political level in south africa so that there's no chance sinks will get better. the judiciary, the police, the courts are controlled by corrupted political party that is acting like a mafia family. throughout weaponized,

the security forces and especially the police force inorder to silence whistleblowers. i mean, i'm hunting, national, i'm handling a little whistle blows for south africa. and i advocate for them and accounting me northern to support them and they built the dose of corruption within the government and authority. a shocking it was alexis close by the garden. politicians are offer themselves and for the takings, it may sound that africans, especially the underprivileged africans, are living poverty, the crime rates out of control, infrastructure and existing, and the wealth, as well as prom land is still a nickel distributed east of africa. i'm afraid that will get catastrophically orse before it gets better. greek, south african whistleblower ari denique. as thank you so much for joining us. before we go, i'd like to urge our viewers to take a look at our e. denique is his website, go to kato, manor death squad,

dot com. that's c a t o manor death squad dot com for the full story. we like to thank our ethan because for joining us and thank you, our viewer for joining us. i'm john kerry off who and this has been the whistleblowers. we'll see you next time. 2 2 ah, no, when i was sure seemed wrong when i just don't know, i mean you have to ship out. this thing becomes the african and engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look so common ground. o is your media

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