to protect our country and we did now. joe biden spoke of china as if he wanted friendly competition. if he simply wanted to compete. but yet, at the same time, there were some rather threatening heated words, exchanged, the tone was not exactly one of friendship. and we see how the united states has tried to push china out of the computer chips market. they've tried to taunt china around the issue of taiwan with nancy pelosi, a recent trip. so the polls indicate 2 thirds of americans would prefer an easing of tension. and a de escalation with china, that's not exactly the tone we're hearing from biting the ministration. one point, he was pounding the stage and saying, you know, he couldn't think of any world leader would want to trade places rescission, bang. people are trying to understand exactly what he meant by those comments about the chinese for that it wasn't really clear, but it was said with a lot of bluster and anger as he was speaking. and this point polls show the american people are just not where joe biden is. that joe biden painted

a picture of the united states and economy doing really, really well. the united states getting over the deep seated political divisions. those divisions were certainly apparent in the hall. there was certainly a fair amount of booing and tackling from jo biden's opponents. but if you listen to jo biden's word, you would believe that the country is moving in a good direction. that's not what americans believe. we heard from radio host and political commentator, steve gill, who asserts that pretty much nothing of what you as president joe biden said, is actually in line with the truth. he's promoting peace the same way that he's promoting unity in the united states, where you get another partisan device of speech here. nothing that he says is consistent with the truth. and i think again, whether it's the u. s. as a protector of world peace divided ministration. providing unity bipartisanship, but you know, when he continues to show the other side to just go to the polls, we can look to the actual numbers and inflation is still significantly higher than

when joe biden took office. he can't blame it on. it's his policies that they just started seeing a inflation spike. but he claimed when the prices went up that he had nothing to do with that. but when they come down, he tries to claim credit for it. and then when they go back up again, it's not like the balloon that was flying over the united states, up and down, over across by tries to distract from what's actually going on. and i think the american people see through it when they go to the grocery store, things cost more, they go to the gas pump, things cost more, their paychecks are going. not as far as they used to. so what the president said last night simply doesn't connect with what americans are feeling and experiencing . that's all for now. be sure to check out our t dot com for all the latest breaking news and update. we'll see right back here at the top of the hour. ah

the with, with the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter live, l y is the west. so determined to continue it's ukraine, proxy war against russia. how does such a position benefit ukraine instead of considering possible peace agreements? the west led by washington, seems to see war is the only option. why can't there be security for all the cross sucking war and peace. i'm joined by my guess. lucas gauge and brick. he is

a us marine corps veteran author and philosopher in washington. we have micro maloof. he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst. and in dublin we have shape bows . he is an independent commentator, and writer are a gentleman, cross type rules and a fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and that i always appreciate it, michael, let me go to you 1st here. i mean there is ample evidence. now we have the former israeli prime minister, we have the foreign ministry of turkey. we have the notorious visit of boris johnson early into the conflict that basically telling lensky, you know, you got to keep this thing going, or else we're not going to back you. so there is ample evidence that the west does not want to see a conclusion to this company because they could, they could just turn off the money, turn off the arms, and it would be over. okay. does that mean washington still believes maybe in a fantasy world, they believe in unicorns or something that they can determine the outcome of this conflict. michael, while they thought they could until they realized they couldn't. and now the

desperate this, this whole episode is being driven by ideology, by our neoconservatives within the, by the administration. they are hell bent on, not only moving nato into into ukraine, but isolating if they can russia and they're not succeeding. and there's a lot of trepidation now occurring within, within the united states, increasing, i should say, we're not there yet to try and wonder what the well, just how long is this thing going to go and what's the whole point? and while it's focused on, on making sure ukraine to quote wins, the reality is it's not. and also it's draining us financially, economically, and militarily, diplomatically and, and apparently we don't know how to stop this. the slippery slope on which we're

all gliding on and nato is, is also waking up and smell in the coffee and they don't like it. yeah, look, it's, it's, it's very interesting. you've been in the military. it's very easy to start conflicts, isn't it? ok, but how to wind them up when you're not winning. and with all due respect to your background, the u. s. is not one of war since the 2nd world war here, but they continue to the same playbook here. and i'm glad michael mentioned nato, because i'm hoping that this will be the end of nato. it was, it was supposed to never to get a war. it talk about unprovoked. i mean, they baited the russians into this conflict and now they're beginning to have 2nd thoughts. and if you look at what the hungarians are having to say the croatians, it's beginning to, i think the, the, those type of statements, doubting the this conflict really resonates to the rest of the european union. your thoughts, lucas? yeah, i think everyone's getting tired of this nato, the u. s. u,

they're all pushing way too hard too quickly. they, as michael said, they thought they could probably win this war. now they're waking up, the smell in the coffee and they're seeing that it's not really that easy to weaken . fact couldn't, and everyone else around it is allies are getting stronger without to us than people are starting to see that the united states cannot even be trusted anymore. so this whole thing is going to end up pretty bad for us here in the less than, you know, frankly, i look forward to multiple, the world works much more fair rather than having this bullied my country. pushing people around with this rules based order, which is basically american exceptionalism, do whatever we want and no one else could do anything brush, it doesn't have their own security interest. you know, we have to push them into this war because we want to expand our influence, right? yes. in a show that, you know, that's something i almost feel obligated to mention every time i talk about this is that, you know, the, in the west they talk about maybe there's a korean solution, a stalemate, an arm and says,

all kinds of things like that. and i dismiss it out of hand completely because the west doesn't understand the origins of this conflict. and it's very clear from the russian side, hey, the european architecture security architecture has failed us. we need to readdress it. we have given you ideas, they were dismissed out of hand here though the way the thing is going to end is going to have to recognize. so security demands here in the west doesn't seem to wake up to that. go ahead in dublin. yeah, absolutely. and as michael lucas both say, and we have a problem in the west f with this sort of a long distance projection into, into ukraine. and it's a russia, if there's any nation on earth that understands what long war is and what the impact to war. like with 26000000 people dead in the 2nd world war, i mean it's delusional to think that policy analysts, you know, in at downing street on, in washington are going to come up with these

a solution. you gotta remember that the minsk and one and 2 records are widely recognized as being the solution to this war before it ever happened. and we've learned recently and that, and you know, the west nato slash ukraine were sent to using a doza cords to build this and nato de facto natal army on russia's board. so i think the idea that russia is going to buy into another sort of western lead solution if you like to the ukraine problem on it, is becoming a problem as a, as michael lucas barry at pointedly at point out economically as socially. and, you know, particularly in europe, we're starting to see a massive backlash against the refugees that are pouring into european countries. and so, you know, the idea that we're going to impose, or that there's going to be a modeling of some sort of solution. and it's going to be put to russia and it makes this more and more likely in my view that russia is going to be more skeptical this time on a battlefield solution to this conflict. unfortunately,

looks more likely as, as it groans on it, you know, miko is go back to washington. it's, i find it. i don't know if you read responsible statecraft, their website. here am i. and it's a curious mishmash of things. but you know, they're still this belief in american hegemony. we just have to, i'm a, i'm welded in a, in a more positive way robust m a diplomacy always say, but they're always say it's in rushes interest. if they do this at this and this, i mean, the arrogance of that, okay. are they, the russians interests have been completely dismissed. that's why we're here in the weight and the way we are because it no one takes it seriously. will that now they have to start taking it seriously. michael? yes. well, it's, it's, it's happening now as we see it. there is a concerted effort by mr. brewton and others in the east through eurasia, to create this multi polar order it to get out from under that western sanctions, western financial reliance and,

and the dollar and switch over. so they can. busy begin to breathe and, and, and, and work together again because it's, it's, it's the u. s. a gemini, and it's use of the economic weapon is what really, really did it. and i think that we're going to be seeing this accelerating. now, in the months to come look, the united states pushed the nato to expand contrary to all agreements or at least a half a dozen agreements who warned them about it. they didn't listen and they don't. and, and now we're seeing the consequences. but especially when your own security is at stake, and the u. s. been so far away and having to travel so far, to create havoc, just doesn't appreciate what, what, what mr. newton was talking about. if we were next door to russia, they were to understand. yeah, look at george jeff can in the architect of contain mentoring the, the cold war?

i don't think if he were alive today, he would be called a potent apologist. ok, but i mean, he said this way, back in the day, he was actually skeptical of nato being formed in the 1st place. ok, and then, and i think he died at the ripe old age of 101. and he was still saying, nato expansion is a very bad idea. so people will say on twitter, you know, the 4 of us are just puppets and all that. but the, one of the greatest geopolitical thinkers of all time said it decades ago. lucas. yeah, i mean look to people who call us apologists, they're just in my opinion, they're just either ignorant or they're trolls their box that can be napa box while they're psycho still understand war. i've been at war, i wouldn't wish it upon anybody. so i just don't want to see this war get worse, and it's probably going to get worse because we know washington works. they always push too far. so those of us who want peace are called warmongers and apologists. while food has been offering peace during this entire conflict, where

a zalinski has been rejected and even during christmas. so you know, it tells you right there who's pushing what it's not. who in the kremlin pushing for war, they responded to a genocide happening in a don bus waste. but to sit there, let it happen. he sang, please stop this. all these records are broken. why should he trust the west? why should he say, trust anything? the west says at all, we know every one knows america will literally lie to invade your country. what makes you think that though you respect any deals they make with you? look how we treat our allies. we were friends, the saddam, that we killed saddam. we're friends with everyone. we always back backstab, everyone. so now i just don't get dimension. gadhafi. he did everything they wanted . they did, he did everything they wanted. okay. and look what happened to him. i say, you know, the, one of the things that really a real pet peeve of mine is unprovoked attack on programs unprovoked. well, and anyone watching this program that has any a, a scant knowledge of the conflict, your nose, this goes all the way back to the illegal code in 2014 in minsk,

according to your message. go ahead. yeah, i mean of course, and i mean i just recently written a comprehensive article on that and one of the main l. a lower level media at present or in ireland just responded with 3 laughing faces. you didn't challenge the article because nobody wants to challenger debate with people like michael lucas, myself or yourself. they just want to insult us and, and tried to suppress what we're trying to say. force, you know, nato itself should have disappeared when the warsaw pact disappeared. it was established, you know, post war to counter at the soviet threat, but it didn't disappear. and i mean, this is did the jam and the colonel of this whole issue that you had this expanding and military a defense of alliance. and so i say say, how can it be defensive and expanding and i've never heard of such an alliance. me history. okay. it's ridiculous yet. it did go on by the whole american rules based order. as michael said earlier on, on the american rules based order as best as summarize the so american makes the

rules and it gives the orders and an america has been the engine in perpetuating a more aggressive nato as since the 2nd world war. and you know, so we had no plans to invade the soviet union at the end of the 2nd were warren and assaulted cities with nuclear weapons, you know, operational thinkable, which winston churchill actually sort of dis. okay. and i have to have been here gentlemen, i have to germany, we have to go to hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on war and peace. stay with archy. ah, ah, who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today, russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing to figure out which of little williams on your

mind the ship were bending all imports of russian oil and gas. new to die by way. suffering the price for it had been in another country with the same letter from, you know, when i got a job by imposing these sanctions on russia has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah, welcome back to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing war and peace in the okay, let's go back to michael in washington in the 1st part of the program lucas and being a veteran of military conflict, said he wouldn't wish war upon any one. and michael, you know,

one of the things i find really disturbing is that this is not the 12 month of a conflict. it's, it's 8 years now. okay. it's been going on for a very, very long time. and i remember the non, the day of the, the special military operation went, went through my mind is now you, the rest of ukraine is going to understand what the don bass went through. after the shelling the blockade, the humiliation that those people had to experience. we all watch it on tv every single night. i mean, it was an ongoing complex, but most people in the west have no idea. bet that happened, no idea whatsoever. and the reason why i brought this up is that when we talk about it on this program in social media, you know, they want to suppress us. ok for talking about historical facts. historical truth, that is one of the biggest casualties of this conflict is shutting down free speech . michael. well, that's why the west controls its media. the way it does, we,

we never got any of this, of what was happening in the bus for the last 8 years in the western media. we might get an occasion a with, but nothing of the extreme that had been going on ever since. the east decided they didn't like the what happened in the under the coo and in 2014 you had a, you made a car, there was a comment made earlier about with nato expansion and what have you. and then the warsaw pact evaporating after the end of the cold war. what i'm seeing is a possibility that the collective security treaty organization could become the new war. so act and because they've got to have something that will be able to counter this expansion that seems to be continuing, obviously with benwood and sweden. those countries within the c s t o it's going to

are, are, you know, they have varying degrees of, of wanting to participate, but they have an article for which is equivalent to nato's article 5. when attack on one is attacking on all. and if that, if the federation is hit once again by heavy weapons from from ukraine, i think we're going to see at least bella luce, coming into the act as a, as part of that commitment. and it will be brought on by the west not, not because not by an initiative by russia or bell roost. but in response as a, as an article for event. you know, it's a very good point because because lucas, you know, at winston churchill famously said, an iron curtain is ascending all across europe. he said that in fulton, missouri visiting the united states. but it's the west creating an iron curtain now . and it's, it's in every way it's economic, it's angel, it's diplomatic,

it's informational. they're the ones that wants to shut off, they control. but by doing so, it's already been mentioned here in this program. the west is isolating itself. you know, this, their self owning themselves. lucas, yeah, everything that the west is doing is harmony itself from the sanctions, backfiring isolating itself. what again one person mentioned earlier that the, the east is making its own financial that we're bricks, namely, and saudi arabia is even considering joining and leaving the dollar. so that's the end of our american hedge ammonia right there. so, you know, everything we're doing to harm and, and russia is just backfiring on us and the west and europe as well. i mean, look at the united states, we all know we blow up the pipeline and we all know, and now germany is like, well, maybe maybe it wasn't russia, maybe someone else start to see through this. yeah, they start to realize that the america is just on the hand. she can't be trusted at all. and i don't blame, i don't blame the rest of the world looking at this as crazy as we are because we

are the crazy one. say, well, you guys got kind of crazy about a balloon, but well, that's a topic for another decade shade. i mean, you know, for me, ok, i can maybe something personal for people to understand is that because of the sanctions on swift? what a, why have to do ok? i'm not going to let the u. s. government determined my financial sovereignty. so i go to a chinese bank. okay. i got around it. okay. and, and in the swiss system degrades itself because it's been mentioned on this program already. everybody's going to play it because i don't want to be sanctioned. i didn't do anything. ok. collective punishment here. so say, i mean the way the world has options and the ample number of options here. but this arrogance of the post war era and the west, they still think that everyone wants to be like them. well, you know what, we don't go ahead. yeah, absolutely. and i think the other thing that's very important is this. talk about seizing russian assets. ma'am, you know, it did,

there is an international sort of community which operated fine at prior to this a, you know, event where we, you know, now now there's talk of seizing, you know, trillions of dollars basically. and, you know, other developing countries and nations are looking at the united states and say, look, i don't where you want to play with this guy anymore. because, you know, if he likes my version of democracy, you know, he comes into my country in the hollows of the inside. if he doesn't like it, you know, our president ends up hanging from a tree and our economy ends up destroys, you know, i've kind of started libya, syria rack, the list is endless. but i think what's really important as well to understand is that this war against russia, it's it from the anglo sphere from the u. k. basically on it and united states. i mean, i still believe that there are intelligent and dare you know pragmatic heads and parts of europe who are really worried about at this job or not with no breaks. i mean, we've, we've got, i think we're on to the 10th sanctions package. and if you look at the,

the 10th sanction package, and if the 1st sanction package was meant to cripple russia were on the 10th. well now that should tell policymakers and the populations of europe something alongside the weapons packages. i mean, where does it end? i mean, we started with, i think, you know, anti tank weapons on to the em triple 7 howitzer, which is going to be just wonder waffa. that was gonna solve the problem that it was high mars, you know, now it say, you know, at the iron dome and it's the patriot systems. but, you know, as i said at the start, the russian people understand war. there's not a russian family and i've got family russian myself. there's not a family in russia who doesn't understand this at the impact of this. and i think they're in this potentially for, for the long one. i just don't think europe and america have it in the tank. yeah. my, you know him, michael. it's one of the most fulfilling things for me because i, i just don't understand europe's behavior other than it. this coercion from washington and they use their lap dog in london to as an enforcer. okay. the must

soul. okay. because it be the impact down europe. i mean, not only just economic here, but on civil liberties. again, freedom of speech, which is always been a bit wobbly in europe, and it's even more coerced right now. i mean, it, it's, it's so puzzling, watching people work against their own interests. ok. and i hope people will say, hey, enough is enough, but there's coersion, you can be cancelled. they can go take your bank account. i mean, this is very authoritarian, michael. yeah. well, we see it, we see it every day. i was talking to our mutual friend allister crook early this morning, and he can't even get our key in the e u at what so much for democracy, which was the basis for joining that organization along with nato. it's pathetic, and that's why you're seeing an acceleration by russian. now, with this, with the creation of the s p f f, or their version of the,

of the switch system. and it's accelerating. i mean, they're getting many, many customers. so that trade can go on. and basically the f s s f p p s is basically the, the messaging system for the bank of russia. and it's, it's, it's linking in with messaging systems with iran, china, and even even turkey. and it's growing with all these other countries. so this is the response to the sanctions that the united states have been imposing on everybody. yeah. and michael, that the key to american hegemony has always been the dollar, not tank. that's right, it's been monday. and now in challenge and now it's being challenger lucas. you know, i don't wanna, you know, you know, just pick your brain for military things. but since we have a veteran on the program here. wow, i've always thought, you know,

sending these are a military, a technologies to ukraine. and it did, they actually work as well as they always claim, because this is a for, you know, you can send it to iraq. afghanistan, you can fight herdsman with, with, with a k 40 sevens. but your rush is a peer power to the united states. when it comes to conventional, i mean when it could, when are these weapons are going to be as effective as a lot of people think because to, to date they haven't been there just good. it melts like everything else, lucas? well, you know, there's talk of sunday patriot missiles that you need 6 to 9 months of training and that's training. an american soldier who could speak english was going to be in a language barrier. and are they even gonna get there in time? i mean, is russia, you know, really crush ukraine soon? it won't even get there are just like we're supposed to send $31.00 abrams tax. they're not going to get there in like 9 months or so. so a lot of these treasures i think are just telling ukraine we're going to send you some look as look at that. okay, let's talk about those tanks. i mean,

is that enough to change the course of the conflict? i mean, i, i, i'm not a military person, but when i think of, you know, hundreds and thousands of tanks and they're going to send in a couple of dozen. i mean, i don't get it it's, it's just a gesture. it's not going to do anything at all, even if they had patriot missiles, even if we give them the best technology, even if we gave them f. 22 rafters. we can't send all of them and we can't send enough of them, but they're not going to get their time. russia is going to start pushing really hard now, and everybody knows it. so, you know, these are just to me, gestures telling you kind of keep fighting for the last ukrainian because they are being sent to the slaughter and hopes to weaken russia and it's not working in the west knows it's not working. i just wish the ukrainians would realize they're being played or they could stop. well, i think, you know, you say i think the, the, the, we have 50 seconds left here. i mean, there history will judge the leadership in care for bringing than you know, because people talk, you know, you cranes a victim, no ukraine as a volunteer in this. they volunteered to be cannon fodder. 30 seconds. my friend in

dublin. go ahead. yeah, i think we have to really trace back to the origins of this conflict where, you know, ukraine assaulted its own people in the east. and, you know, russia could, of, and some of the suggest militarily should have gone over the border in 2014. when that happened, and this war would have been much shorter, but instead, a de facto nato army was created $10000.00 men a year. and the result was almost inevitable in my view. yeah, it, well, a history will judge a lot of people in power today very, very harshly for a conflict that never should have started in the 1st place in which russia tried very hard to avoid and all the time we have gentlemen, i want to thank my guests in break washington and in dublin, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here darky. see an exam, remember rostock? ah ah,

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