only option, why can't there be security for all the me the american pew lecture award winning journalist revealed us norwegian operation to attack the russian nor stream gas pipelines. it was reportedly done under the galleys of neat, so naval drills in the bowl. 60, in order to cover their tracks. also we had on the program this our, the syrian read presidency functions and post on demand gets, prevents vital a delivery from getting to the country. devastating earthquake leave at least 1600 people in the middle eastern nation. and your request has been denied that message from china who rejected to take

a call from the us defense minister this week after washington sharp dion was paging a cold weather abode the around the clock across the world. this is our pleasure to have your company today . my name's o'neil. we begin this hour with breaking news. american award winning journalist seymour hearse has revealed a u. s. norwegian operation to attack russian gas pipelines saying it had been planned for 9 months since 2021. by does decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than 9 months of highly secret back and forth debate inside washington's national security community about how to best achieve that goal . for much of that time, the issue wasn't whether to do the mission with how to get it done with no overt

clue as to who was responsible. let's discuss or a breaking you story with ortiz, marina cosser ever, who joined me here in the studio. marina truly bomb shell stuff. this one, the details of it really do virgin something out of hollywood thriller. exactly. and apparently this was all because of fears of threats to western dominance is the how the white house or the white house sides. and what they wanted to do was make sure that russia is weekends so that there are western dominance as they saw in europe remains because nordstrom one was already irritating the united states, they already saw it as a threat. now, north, soon too was nearing completion, and this would double the amount of cheap gas coming from russia to germany and to western europe, of course. and this is something that they wanted to eliminate. and apparently this is how they started discuss in this. so as early as a 2021,

a joe biden authorized the national security advisor, all of the united states, jake sullivan, to create an intra agency group that would be tasked with figuring out how to eliminate these pipelines. now this group, by the end of the year, jake sullivan created another group that then had the task of figuring out how to do it. this was top secret that had several. yes, go ahead. this isn't just in some c, i a room you're seeing this goes as far alleged as the president of the united states. exactly. and the meetings that took place. apparently this is a source of seymour hersh, is quotes in a source that is directly involved in the operation of this. and he says that by the end of 2021, jake sullivan convened the meeting. i had guys from men and women from the joint chiefs of staff, the cia and the state and treasury department. and they all had top 6,

several top secret meetings as were out the following year. and the details are provided in this article, which makes all of us assume that this is legitimate, aside from a background of true hearse which we'll get to in a 2nd. but for example, they met in a secure room on the top floor of the old executive office building adjacent to the white house. that was also the home, all of the presidents, foreign intelligence advisory board. so these are some of the details that we're getting. so they had this top secret meetings and they figured out that they need to get rid of rid of the pipelines, but how do they do with union? how do they do it? so there were a number of proposals, for example, in this article that are as quoted, the navy proposed using a newly commissioned submarine to salt the pipeline directly. that was an approved the air force disgust. dropping bombs with delayed fuses that could be set off remotely. who's at an obviously that then go ahead as applying to celia to said guys, whatever you do, just make sure it's covert that no one finds out about it. now, the ca,

at the time it was directed by william burns and he is the one that came up with the master plan of using the deep divers, a deep sea divers to trigger an explosion along the pipeline. so then early 22, we are now i in january the c, i a working group reports back to jake sullivan and says, when we have a plan, we know how to do it. meanwhile, we had a few slip ups from u. s. officials. we had joe biden saying that if russia invades ukraine at the time that we're saying early 2022 right before the special military operation began. so already joe biden is discussing how the will eliminate notes from one end notes from 2 of before that. in january we had with tura newland who was also saying how they should be happy if the pipelines were destroyed than that they would find the way to do it. if russia answers ukrainian territory and the group that was working

behind the said, what are they doing? they're slipping up on our we're, we're, we're, we're working on this behind the scenes and they're gone ahead and publicly saying, well, if something happens, we're going to get rid of all the pipelines. so, and let's see how they figured out. when would be the ideal time? said dill, it so that no one would suspect anything. the norwegians had a solution to the crucial question of when the operation should take place. every june, for the past 21 years, the american 6 fleet whose flagship is based in gaiety, italy, south of rome, has sponsored a major nato exercise in the baltic sea in rome, scores of allied sheeps throughout the region. the current exercise held in june would be known as baltic operations $22.00 than their wishes proposed. these would be the ideal cover to plant the mines. so the annual nato

exercises became the cover. so in june 2022, they used those annual nato exercises and they planned said explosives with norway's help, they planted those explosives, they found a way to camouflaged them so that russian, the russian navy didn't suspect anything. and then all fe waves and then is the perfect cover really wasn't it, and you could do it not just a week before, but some months before you could climate and finalize the details. that's what seems to come out of this article. exactly. and that's what they did. apparently, there is a there in this article, they said that the white house had doubts because they wanted to do it right away. and then they said, well, it will look a little bit so obvious. if we do it right after the exercises are over, so what they did was then they asked another assignment was, can you figure out a way how to designate them out at a later time? okay. you mentioned as well as somebody who tends to be involved in things focus victoria newland. he asked the court newland who as already mentioned that she

before this happened. she already said that this would be the perfect thing to happen to get rid of all the pipelines, and if russia answered ukrainian territory, that would find a way to get rid of them. and at the time, even journalists had questions about the how would you do it? if it's not on the russian, it's on the foreign land and said, don't worry, we'll find the way to do it. and then after it happened, after it happened, she was so happy that it did happen. let's nicholas and i am. and i think the administration is very gratified to know that lord stream too is now as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the c ever there are ta las, all sound bites, just like that from us officials, a who are a great for that, this happened and we heard that from before and also after, after the terrorist attack, which is what russia considers it. and we should just touch of course, as you mentioned on the person who curried i, this is incredible investigation so much for background. went into it's seymour

hurst, he could quite literally write the book on investigative journalism. yes. a award winning journalist, investigative journalist, and he's the one who's responsible for, for example, looking into the my lai massacre and its cover up during the vietnam war. he also, he received a pulitzer prize for international reporting for that. also we have in the seventy's, he covered the watergate scandal he also, which is very interesting because that was, that was to do its source, is it key? so when he's talking about his source here, he knows how to choose them. he knows who, who fabricates, he knows who lives doesn't mean that. and i think this is why that source that is so close to the operation of this. this is why i would assume they trusted seymour hersh because of this background too. so i, i wonder what the you west will do now and how they will try to defame him or how they will try to say, because already we've heard that they're saying it's pure affection. but how can

they argued with someone who has a track record of producing quality, journalism and investigative journalism and uncovering secrets within the white house? maria, thanks so much for talking us through that we awaits their reaction. more all mothers. well, at m, marine acosta. had taken us through all that this our thanks marina. well, while the u. s. refutes any involvement us marina just went through there in the ignored stream pipeline and talks on the investigation. and the incident conducted by some european states that is continuing rushes, ministry of foreign, a 1st books on maria is a horrible said that's europe has undermined its investigation. we have repeatedly voiced russia's position on the evolvement of the u. s. in nato. nothing that they did not hide this boasting to the whole world about the intention to destroy the civilian infrastructure, through which you are perceived russian energy resources. we also regularly noted

the reluctance of denmark, germany, and sweden, to conduct an open investigation and opposition to russia's participation in it. and this, despite the fact that our country has incurred huge costs versus report suggests that all this planning of the sabotage predates the conflict in ukraine popping off at the end of last february. it also refers to german chancellor, all of schultz is visit to washington to see jo biding on february 7th, 2022. saying that this plan was discussed with schultz and that he was on board with the american plan, despite being initially quote wobbly. and now norway is also looking like a fire fighter who was moonlighting as an arsonist, like the country was interested in creating an opportunity for itself by involving itself with these pipeline explosions. rather than just a few days ago, norway said that you sanctions prevented from helping with the investigation into

the north stream explosions. la october, sweden, denmark and norway obstructed examination of the damage of the pipelines. and now this is further confirmation that russia really was not involved in blowing up its own infrastructure. just as the c e o of nord stream previously said. he also hinted at who the perpetrator could be. wording says he doesn't believe that russia is responsible for the attack. the russians know who else and nato country warning note silently. england is all speculation, but think about it. so her, she's report alleges that norway was washington's partner in blowing up nord stream one and to norway. secret services select it, the placement of the explosives. according to this report, norway hated russia and wired to sell it so gas to europe at ledges and russian gas prevented that. now, western press reports have been pointing out since at least last fall, exactly how much cash norway has been raking in. since the russian gas was cut off

from europe, or europe was cut off from russia gas now its revenues last year and were estimated to be a about a $109000000.00. so a job from $27000000000.20. and the polish prime minister has accused norway of war, profiteering over that windfall. and the u. s. has expanded its military presence in norway over the last while. and it had a listening radar into russia based in norway and get this norway, it's parliament even voted last november to give the us legal system jurisdiction in some parts of norway over or whatever us soldiers might get up to in the way of crimes when they're off base with in norway. so norway allegedly also ran interference according to her, shes report for washington with neighboring sweden and denmark. and they did that

so that these countries wouldn't get suspicious if they saw a divers in the area place who'd be explosive. and apparently they, norway was not supposed to tell sweden and denmark exactly what the divers were doing there, just if they happen to see divers not to be concerned that you know they be there and don't worry about it. so now really it just kind of remains to be seen exactly how the you will respond to this report of its very best friend and ally, washington allegedly colluding with one of its very own member states, norway to blow up a critical economic lifeline sanctions on syria. must be immediately lifted to get life saving aid to those in neat following the devastating earth quick this oster, that's the demand of the syrian or a red crescent which he has lives that could be saved are being lost. i

heal at law if law economic sanctions imposed in our country is the main obstacle to get an needed equipment. with this, we demand for the legion of economic sanctions and the siege in order to allow a deliberate and humanitarian actions to be implemented. or syrian base political analysts at bottom about abdullah believe the u. s. is playing political games when it comes to aid to damascus. u u. n. sanctions against syria, there is a u. s. united states and e u sanctions against her. this is ferris. every one would know that for humanitarian aid there these sanctions should be lifted. it is by the heart of that united states still lie. and yesterday, mister blinkin and other representative of u. s. department, samantha bower, the doctor. busy as a say that we will, we will help the north east, off syria,

either in that united says trying to divide the city and be bought to divide the geographically well. amid the total devastation on the grounds scenes of hope still played. this young girl was plucked from the rubble of her wrecked home after being trump for days. rush and emergency workers have joined the race against time trying to reach those most to meet. and every hour the grim death tool continues decline. sirius, 2nd largest to the aleppo is one of the areas where st affected moscow's defense ministry. sage russian teams have helped save more than 40 people from the ruins, sofa, sutter desolation, and they bring trick he as well. of course were former high rise. apartment blocks have been reduced to nothing but mountains of broken concrete, so twisted metal with unfortunately little signs of life according to those on the

ground. nevertheless, that frantic search for survivors guzzle more than 9000 debts have already been confirmed. at number is almost certainly going to run upwards of 53000 people have been left injured as well. russian emergency teams, they're on the ground helping their to ortiz spoke to some of those working in the area along with distraught look a little from the plane. we immediately went to work. it began searching the rubble for survivors. in total we arrived as part of $67.00 rescues among us a dog handlers and psychologists. there's a lot of work to be done. now akin garden mom, bleach marcell. 2 days ago i was in my house, my friend lives here, so i came to her, but there was no one here. no organizations, no equipment. people on the road initiative found and brought equipment to rescue operations. here everything is very bad. there is simply no city left night where

just alone, our city was left alone. we need help. we need people, we've been waiting for so long. i've been here for so long doing something, and there's nothing to help us. b, b, r, r. t's peter scott has this report for us now from the devastated reach. according to unofficial figures around 132 people were killed in this earthquake and 909 people. and i've been left injured. of course, those are unofficial figures and unfortunately are expected to rise as we entered day 3 since those devastating earthquakes rocked this city. and of course the, the cold temperatures overnights are really hampering rescue efforts to some of which you can actually see going on behind me. now, those centers have somewhat risen today, which people are grateful for. now what you can see behind me is one of the largest residential complexes in the city. it's originally comprised for buildings. the 1st

one which was raised to the ground by that 1st massive earthquake in the early hours of the morning when unfortunately people were sleeping there are still bleats, were on 70 people trapped in the rubble. the 2nd of the 4 buildings was not down in the 2nd earthquake, but fortunately, one had already evacuated it by this time. so no one thankfully was injured in that quake. now the situation as i described, is very dire, but people haven't lost her. we did manage to speak to some of them earlier. one person was also pulled out alive, reportedly earlier today. and from time to time, we are asked to be completely silent as a specialist at the sites use equipment to listen for sounds of survivors in that hon. now just going back to the city in general, and more than half of his population, which is $500000.00 people, have evacuated the city and they've gone to the surrounding areas to villages, to friends and relatives, and with low rise buildings just to take shelter. i still left around $200000.00

people in the city and they are currently taking shelter in schools, in mosques, dorms, tense in parks, basically anywhere where they can get a shelter of their head to get out of the cold. oh no, we've also been told not to walk down certain streets here because some of the buildings are saves news of this that they could still fall down. and no one is currently allowed back in their building in their home until city officials and engineers have checked that it's safe to do so. um and obviously that process it did start today, but obviously it will take some time because there are more than a 1000000 residences to go through. but hopefully at some point people can start building their lives and at least some slight semblance of normality. more it sense them around is set to join the world's largest by size regional block, the shanghai cooperation organization. that's after the nations president passed

a law green lighting it's entry. the move follows a summit last year of the group where to run announced it would start the session process. you were the s. c o. cover is 60 percent of eurasia, and 2 fifths of the world's population, including russia, china, and india. the pact, a used to increase john to economic development and military cooperation between you members. well, let's get more on this and speak to a really an academic and political analysts. professor aside, mohammed mirandi from the university of iran, you're most welcome to the program. first of all, why does a run want to join the se? oh, what's in it for the country is very important because this organization has a very strong security element to it. we know that the united states and its allies have had a history of supporting extremism, for example, in afghanistan,

in the 19 eighties and nineties, in particular. so for iran, russia, china, and other countries of asia, the stability and well being of the countries and the populations of this, this area is, is extremely important. also, it provides an opportunity for iran gain access to you markets. iran is looking to sell and being a part of wes, this is areas of particular, significant and important to iran. conversely, then what does the se oh, benefit by having a run on board? well, iran is well known to be a very influential country in west asia. it has very strong allies in syria,

iraq, afghanistan, lebanon, yemen, and elsewhere. and it also has access to the persian gulf, india, an ocean, and to the caucus is central asia, west asia, and the south asia. the continent 09 is also made. and this is also, really, i didn't think that any one able to do trade in this with a country that it's not great of work pressure. that me would be rock what's likely then to be to runs at 1st its biggest priority. upon joining the block traditionally, like many other countries, iran before the revolution. and yet even the years after the revolution is trade in

business was focused on wes. now the focus, or iran is to look globally. and iran can contribute gas well and up a line to rush on the state with gas with well along side gas. and in addition to that, i think for you ron, it's very important. that's the ability of western countries. her new sanctions. and the last one is asked the more it diversify its business and trade, especially with friendly countries like like i know like india and like central

asian countries, the more the more the population in iran is secure. and since western countries have always, at least over the past few decades use against nations, it is very important. busy for you, right, in other sanction countries like russia to use this opportunity to plant academic political unless professor sired mohammed mirandi live on ortiz. thank you very much for your time today. okay, we return now to our top story, american award winning journalist seymour hersh house repealed us norwegian operation to attack russian gas pipelines, namely the nor stream pipeline, saying that it had been planned for 9 months. a lot of prep going into this and it began back in 2021. that's cross live now to award winning journalist and

editor of my grab a dot org martin j for his take and all the pleasure to see you martin. what's your take then on seymour hearses investigation? is it now looking increasingly likely the u. s. including being signed off by the, by the administration was, was behind the attack on the north stream pipelines. so i looked on it, i think, 2 more skeptical journalists of my so i think many of us thought that all along. and if you look very closely at the timeline and look at the events, the blood and ministration wasn't particularly discrete in really keeping it a secret. the intention was long, you know, the top official by didn't actually set just a few weeks before the ukraine was started, that the pipeline would be terminated close. i'm paraphrasing course, in the sense of russia invading ukraine. so i think the writing was on the wall for

those channels. you want to see it. but this particular tome, this colossal piece of rescue journalism, which is really something i think is going to have shock waves around the world. not just in america because it, it shows really honestly the button, the ministration and the true light that it was deceptive. devious authoress and in mecca billions from beginning to end it it'll, it'll struck a lot more questions now about the sincerity of, of anything that comes from the white house and whether we can believe anything the american say about the war. it is an incredible piece. it's available on seymour hearse is sub stock for people to read. it's a thorough read, it's a long read. it goes into a lot of detail, but you have the white hosts spokesperson at one of them seeing in the immediate aftermath of it being unveiled. this is false and complete fiction, not if it's finite, not to be will be a go park and accept that those words were wrong. i can't imagine it. no, i mean,

i think i'm of the opinion, the blind and so in the long term, when he, when he planned those texts on the pipelines, multi opinion east thought, how would this look when this finally comes out? because he's an old hand in politics. he knows such operations never stay secret forever. there's always a few years which passed before. somebody writes a book, somebody does an interview. televisions bills have been so he's probably assuming the in a few is time when it does come out, you know, how will i will i face to press? how will i will i write my own ment was justified blowing up these, these pipelines. and i think, you know, he will always refer to the ukraine war, he will always say, well, you know, russia pushed us to, to this point and, and which is in itself, isn't entirely disingenuous. and i think the biggest lie of ever, if he's funny, does it come up with it, which i'm sure he will. but this,

this piece by seymour hersh has shown us, really just how far is administration is prepared to go. and probably plant quite some time. i mean, why from the get go right from, you know, go back to january 2001 binds integration even from that day, he was being harangued by people like ted cruz who were talking about these pipelines and, and they should be stop. they should be brought abruptly halted, you know, with whatever it takes. and by and i think signed up to that from the very beginning . but i have to wonder, you know, if he was planning all along to switch to, to, to stop these pipelines. you know, what else was you planning? i think, you know, you don't need to be the ward when jim mr. was the of this question to the actually also plan the ukraine war as well. martin, as always, thank you for your time for fitting. spend today as well mart, j, editor of my grubby dot org live in or t. now, another story just to fit in. before we go, the pentagon reveal china rejected a request for

a high level phone call in the wake of the dawning of the chinese balloon. that had flown across parts of the u. s. you're taking action to down the p. r. c. balloon. the department of defense submitted a request for a secure call between secretary austin and p r. c minister of national defense. unfortunately, the p r c has declined our request. our commitment to open lines of communication will continue. washington claims that balloon was a surveillance. the vice china says it was a whether a monitor that had straight off course vice president of the center for china and globalization thinktank victory. dow recently told my colleague royce, the shape relations between the 2 countries, not been dealt a blow by the incident. this shooting down of an innocent, harmless a ship all the balloon of china by the u. s. military using one of its best. airplanes for example is an.