is ukraine proxy war against russia? how does such a position benefit ukraine instead of considering possible peace agreements? the west led by washington seems to see a war is the only option. why can't there be security for all a bombshell revelations, from a veteran pulitzer award winning journalist who concludes in his investigation about the u. s. blew off the russian north stream gas pipelines. it was reportedly done under the guise of linked to naval drills in the baltic sea in order to cover the missions tronics culture coming up on the program. this our, the syrian, our, of the read to present that say, sanctions imposed on damascus, prevent vital a delivery from getting to the country after devastating earthquakes leave at least 1600 people dead in the middle eastern nations. and

your request has been denied, thus the message from beijing who rejected a call from the u. s. defense minister in the aftermath of washington shooting dawn of what beijing has called a weather balloon with fly from moscow to the world. this is archie pleasure to have your company today. my name's you know, the attack on russia's north stream gas pipelines was carried out by the united states with norwegian involvement. that's the conclusion of an investigation carried out by award winning journalist seymour hersh. the american discovered that it had been planned for 9 months, going back to 2021 ortiz marina cost her of a art line. to me more details from the pro, including a source stating not president biden directly signed off on the bombing

by does decision to sabotage to pipelines came after more than 9 months of highly secret back and forth debate inside washington's national security community about how to best achieve that goal for much of that time, the issue wasn't whether to do the mission with how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible as early as at 2021. a joe biden authorized the national security advisor of the united states jake sullivan to create an entry agency group that would be tasked with figuring out how to eliminate these pipelines. now this group, by the end of the year, jake sullivan created another group that then had the task of figuring out how to do it. this was top secret. this isn't just in some c, i a room you're seeing. this goes as far alleged as the president of the united states. exactly, and the meetings that took place. apparently this is a source. seymour hersh is quotes in his source that is directly involved in the

operation of this. and he says that by the end of 2020 of on jake sullivan convened the meeting, had guys from men and women from the joint chiefs of staff, the cia and the state and treasury department. and they all had top seek several top secret meetings to throughout and, and the following year. and the details that are provided in this article, which makes all of us assumed that this is legitimate, aside from the background of seymour hersh, which will get so in the 2nd. but for example, they met in the secure room on the top floor of the old executive office building adjacent to the white house. that was also the home, all of the presidents, foreign intelligence advisory board. so these are some of the details that we're getting. so they had this top secret meetings and they figured out that they need to get to have rid of the pipelines, but how do they do it even? how do they do it? so there were a number of proposals, for example, in this article that are as quoted, the navy proposed using

a newly commission submarines for salt the pipeline directly. that was an approved the air force discuss dropping bombs with delayed fuses that could be set off remotely. and an obviously that then go ahead is applying the celia to said guys, whatever you do, just make sure it's covert that no one finds out about it. now, the cia at the time it was directed by william burns, and he is the one that came up with the master plan of using the deep divers, a deep sea divers to trigger an explosion along the pipeline. so then early 22, we are now i in january the c, i a working group reports back to jake sullivan and says we, we have a plan, we know how to do it. and let's see how they figured out when the would be the ideal time to do it so that no one would suspect anything. the norwegians had a solution to the crucial question of when the operation should take place. every

june, for the past 21 years, the american 6 fleet whose flagship is based in gaia to italy, south of rome, has sponsored a major nato exercise in the baltic sea in rome, scores of allied ships throughout the region. the current exercise held in june would be known as baltic operations $22.00 than the regions proposed. these would be the ideal cover to plant the mines. so the only all nato exercise as became the cover. so in june 2022, they used those annual nato exercises and they planned said explosives with norway's help they planted those explosives, they found a way to camouflage them so that russian navy didn't suspect anything. and then i'll say whence and then is the perfect cover really wasn't it, and you could do it not just the week before, but some months before you could plummet and finalize the details. that's what

seems to come out of this article. exactly. and that's what they did. apparently, there was a there in this article. they say that the white house had doubts because they wanted to do it right away. and then they said, well, it will look a little bit of this. if we do it right after the exercises are over. so what they did was then they asked another assignment was, can you figure out a way how to designate them out at a later time. meanwhile, we had a few slip ups from us officials. we had joe biden saying that if russia invades ukraine at the time that we're st early, 2022 right before the special military operations, the dad to already jo, by that is discussing how are the will eliminate not soon want and nor since you of before that in january we had the tour, a newland who was also saying how they should be happy if the pipelines were destroyed and that they would find the way to do it. if russia answers ukrainian territory and the group that was working behind the said, what are they doing? slipping up on our we're, we're, we're, we're working on this behind the scenes and they're going ahead and publicly saying,

well, if something happens, we're going to get rid of all the pipeline issues. it's russian raise, then there will be years we've, there will be no longer on our stream too. but i think the administration is very gratified to know that nordstrom, too, is now, as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the see these pipelines that is more st monitors from 2 ha, we're not ha, pumping gas into europe at this time more through to never became operational, knew that offers tremendous strategic opportunity. there are countless of sound bites just like that from us officials a who are a great for that this happened and we heard that from before. and also after the terrorist attack, which has brought russia, considers it. and we should just touch of course, as you mentioned on the person who carried out this incredible investigation so much thought her background went into its seymour herse. he could quite literally

write the book on investigative journalism. yes. a award winning journalist, investigative journalist, and he's the one who's responsible for, for example, looking into the my lai massacre and its cover up during the vietnam war. he also, he received a pulitzer prize for international reporting for that. also we have in the seventy's, he covered the watergate scandal he also. and which is very interesting because that was, that was to do with sources in key. so when he's talking about his source here, he knows how to choose them. he knows who, who fabricates. he knows who lives, doesn't me yet. and i think this is why that source that is so close to the operation of this. this is why i would assume they trusted seymour hersh because of this background. so i, i wonder what the u. s. will do now and how they will try to defame him or how they will try to say, because already we've heard that they're saying it's pure fiction. but how can they argue with someone who has a track record of producing quality,

journalism and investigative journalism and uncovering secrets within the white house? while the us refutes any involvement in the snack on the nord stream pipelines, i'm investigation into the incident conducted by some gra peon states, continues. russia's foreign ministry spokesman, maria is a horrible, sees the nations in question have undermined the investigation. we have repeatedly voiced russia's position on the evolvement of the u. s. in nato. nothing that they did not hide this boasting to the whole world about the intention to destroy the civilian infrastructure, through which you are perceived russian energy resources. we also regularly noted the reluctance of denmark, germany, and sweden, to conduct an open investigation and opposition to russia's participation in it. and this, despite the fact that our country has incurred huge costs versus report suggests

that all this planning of the sabotage predates the conflict in ukraine popping off at the end of last february. it also refers to german chancellor, all of schultz is visit to washington to see joe biden, on february 7th, 2022. saying that this plan was discussed with schultz and that he was on board with the american plan, despite being initially quote, wobbly. and now norway is also looking like a firefighter who was moonlighting, as arsonists, like the country was interested in creating an opportunity for itself by involving itself with these pipeline explosions. rather than just a few days ago, norway said that you sanctions prevented from helping with the investigation into the north stream explosions. la october, sweden, denmark and norway obstructed examination of the damage of the pipelines. and now this is further confirmation that russia really was not involved in blowing up its own infrastructure, just as the ceo of north street previously said. he also hinted at who the

perpetrator could be. wording says, he doesn't believe that russia is responsible for the attack. the russians know who else and nato country warning note silently. england is all speculation, but think about it. so hurst, his report alleges that norway was washington's partner in blowing up nord string, one and to norway. secret services select it, the placement of the explosives. according to this report, norway hated russia and wired to sell its own gas to europe at ledges and russia gas prevented that. now, western press reports have been pointing out since at least last fall. exactly how much cash norway has been breaking in since the russian gas was cut off from europe, or europe was cut off from russia gas now its revenues last year and were estimated to be a about a 100 $9000000.00. so a job from $27000000000.20. and the polish prime minister has accused norway of war

profiteering over that windfall. and the u. s. has expanded its military presence in norway over the last while, and it had a listening radar into russia based in norway and get this norway, it's parliament even voted last november to give the us legal system jurisdiction in some parts of norway over or whatever us soldiers might get up to in the way of crimes when they're off base with in norway. so norway allegedly also ran interference according to her. she's report for washington with neighboring sweden and denmark. and they did that. so these countries wouldn't get suspicious if they saw divers in the area place, he'd be explosive. and apparently they, norway was not supposed to tell sweden and denmark exactly what the divers were doing there. just if they happen to see divers not to be concerned that you know they be there and don't worry about it. so now really it just kind of remains to be

seen exactly how the e u will respond to this report of its very best friend and ally, washington allegedly colluding with one of its very old number. states norway, to blow up a critical economic lifeline. go to another of our headline stories today. the pentagon is revealed, china rejected a request for a high level full cole in the wake of the not dawning of the infamous chinese balloon not had flown across parts of the us. immediately after taking action to down the p. r c. balloon. the duty submitted a request for a secure call between secretary austin and p r. c minister of national defense. unfortunately, the p r c has declined. our request or commitment to open lines of communication will continue. washington claims that balloon was a surveillance device. china essays. the explanation is much simpler,

stating it was a weather monitor that had strayed off course chinese, the 1st spanish this victor go told my colleague, re sushi bound relations between the 2 countries. have been dealt a further blow by the incidents this shooting down of an innocent, humblest, as ship all the balloon of china by the u. s. military using one of its best. airplanes, for example, is an affront to china is a damage to the china us. ah, understanding with each other and his all over reaction to what to a balloon wake up. therefore, i think it's absolutely legitimate for child. the refuse to have any paul call phone call or beating with the u. s. secretary of defense. so if a chinese balloon is an american aerospace, or even just above it and america shoots it down,

wouldn't this then give the right to china to shoot down any number of american assets that violate its air space nearly every single day? absolutely. i think for the recall the china has been condemn in the united states again and again and again, not just for days or weeks or months or years full. the fragrant violation of china sovereignty and territorial integrity, while violating the one china policy, etc. so if charla would do exactly like what the u. s. military did a few days ago by hooking tao, an innocent homeless as the u. s. military characterize this issue ah airship, for example, from the air then china will be fully justified to shoot and shoot and shoot again and again and again. but what, what the consequences, charlotte, the longest visual viagra warm with each other will fairly bit. neither the chinese

people nor the american people, therefore under gun and the u. s. government to know the consequences. well, that's returned to our top story, not for some live reaction that's of legendary american award winning journalist seymour hersh, claiming a u. s. norwegian operation was in place of the talking russian gas pipelines in september saying that the bombing had been planned for 9 months since 2021. last cross live now 2 pulitzer prize winning from a foreign correspondent for the new york times chris hedges. joining us from new jersey today, you're most welcome, chris. both you and seymour hersh work for the times at, you know, both dig into and question mainstream narratives despite the blow back that you get . so do you feel we can trust mr. hurst? his article? yeah, i worked with seymour for many years. he has broken story after story as a,

i don't think he's ever broken a story that anyone's discredited. going all the way back to the meal i massacre broke the story on the torture and apple grave. i used one of the premier investigative journalists in the united states. indeed, i would say kind of the model for many of the rest of us are older than i am. he writes, it is true. i mean, he also imploded the hall fiction of how some of the lot killed and this is deeply embarrassing and angering to the state. and the kind of denials of his reporting is par for the course. so that's what happened. going again all the way back to the meal eye mask or were 500 on armed vietnamese civilians including women and children, were killed by us troops. the reason it's not on is that it's dangerous, or it can be dangerous to reveal information on whistleblowers. but they're not

a necessity, raises questions about credibility, and you've answered in the large part already, but would see more hearse. unexperienced the celebrated writer post the article without being totally sure about his source. in this case? no, i mean, he's extremely rigorous in his reporting and his you know, inconceivable to me that there are many holes in the store at all. i mean, if, if similar rights it, it's given the last, you know, few decades of its work, it's usually pans out to be completely true. it just to point out, people can read it on his sub stock. it is a thorough investigation, a lot of work you can tell went into it. depending on the white house ca, all responded within just a number of hours at rejecting any u. s. involvement in the pipeline. attacks. do you read anything into how quickly

they were to comment on the claims? no, i think again that is something that we've seen in the past not only with similar hearse, is reporting, but other investigative look at looks at our investigations into activities that the government wants to keep secret. i think that's the standard response. didn't surprise any of us and i think they had to respond quickly because they couldn't let it just lie out. there was some kind of without a denial, but not denial again. doesn't mean much should you think they, they think that the case is now closed once they've said that it's the shop to work on this. now and again, if we look at how these things play out, eventually more information comes out that supports this initial

reporting until it becomes very hard for them to deny. that's usually what happens in western media reports, officials, and repeatedly claim that russia had attacked its own pipelines. i was one of the main headlines for a number of weeks after the incident. but no, this investigation claims. it's essentially nato's hand. how does that? how does not affect things now? does it change how the international community will see the incident? well, is starting pretty close to an act of war. so, you know, pretty aggressive gentlemen, we know that the u. s. is providing intelligence to the ukrainians. actionable intelligence to accompany their weapons systems. and how about largely understood that out of moscow with song many of course russia john was targeted. but this is again another step in this very frightening escalation which is

included the shipment of m one abrams tanks. and now they're talking about fighter aircraft and uranium depleted weapons. so you know, for those of us who, and i've been very critical by the way of the russian invasion. but at the same time, especially having been in eastern europe in 1989. i'm cutely aware of the provocations they stretch all the way back to that broken promise not to extend nato, beyond the borders of the unified germany. and what we're seeing is just as constant ration up of military intervention. and i, many of us fear, we don't want to go with russia. i mean, i don't think they know what they're doing or where they're going other than pumping money into it. so it's just one more ominous step towards how war can i just expand on something you said a moment ago prior to the conflict, we heard a number of us politicians, including joe biden, himself said that the u. s. would take action against nord stream if russia

targeted ukraine. so where are those original threats completely toothless? then if we take washington's denials now at face value. well, that is not only that, but if you look closely at victoria know in the, in the state department as a war hawk and always has been, they were celebrating the sabotage of the pipeline as beneficial to nato. and of course it's, it's not just beneficial in a military sense. it forces countries like germany to buy a natural gas from the united states, you know, higher price. so i think there were some tell tale indications or hits that this was probably not him. it never made any sense for where should a ball to phone pipeline anyway from the beginning. but i think there have been, as you point out, it was these statements. but then also the reactions after sabotaged the pipeline

where that sabotage was loaded by people within the budget administration as an asset for the confrontation with russia and the european lead to investigation into what happened is continuing. it's ongoing on that russia foreign ministry spokeswoman noted the reluctance of key countries to hold what she called an open investigation. do you think the particular danish swedish stance will change on that? will it have to after the revelations of, of this article? well, i would suspect when you, 1st of all, because the norwegians are apparently, according to size, article complicit. they know very well what happened to the, because they were working with the americans, the damage the pipeline or, or place the charges, the, the destination that would blow it up. i suspect that that within the intelligence communities throughout europe and they share actionable intelligence,

they all have known for some time. so you have these governments that have acknowledge that it's sabotaged without publicly saying who they thought it was. so i don't think this is a huge surprise to the swedes or any, were anyone else? the u. s. on the e. you are the closest of allies, and yet if the u. s. did carry this operation, it must have known what impact that would happen. europe's economy, european governments must have as well that the, the cost of living crisis, the, the energy hit to, to people that was going to knock on that lead to. it's not exactly the friendliest of moods. is it? no. well, it's, you know, i don't know how much the, the norwegians have been hit new agents, i think actually sell a natural gas to europe. but it's the germans who at least according to size article, we're not involved in this. whether they knew or they didn't know, i don't know, it's not in the story. but yeah, europe is some into almost double digit inflation. u. k. in germany,

german businesses are in severe distress. so yeah, it's, it's, it's c worse. we're sakura the united states of sacrificing europe for its campaign for global germany. that's been true since the start of the conflict with russia and ukraine. chris, we appreciate your time and coming in the program today to talk to p. let's or a prize winning, former foreign correspondent for the new york times. chris h, as many thanks for the sanctions on the syria must be immediately lifted to get life saving a to those affected by mondays. devastating earthquakes thus to the month of the syrian are a bred crescent which saves lives that could be saved or being lost. they can amik sanctions imposed in our country is the main obstacle to get an needed equipment. with this, we demand for the legion of economic sanctions and the siege in order to allow

a deliverers and humanitarian actions to be implemented. or serene base, political analysts bust them up. della believes the u. s. is playing political game when it comes to aid, going to syria. there is no, you, you an sanctions against celia. there is u. s. united states and e u sanctions against her. this is fair. every one should know that for humanitarian aid that these sanctions should be a leaf bit is by doorbell that united his kill lie. and yesterday, mr. blinkin and other representative of u. s. department samantha bow are the director of yours a say that we will, we will held that north east off syria, either in that united says trying to divide, but she and people have to divide the geographically well amid the total devastation scenes of hope, but can still be witnessed,

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i from the catastrophic natural disaster that's left more than 10000 people dead in both countries. and many more injured, of course, and countless homes and buildings destroyed to head to r t dot com. for the very latest we're a course, the big developments combating the chinese economic threats was the key focus of a u. s. congressional committee hearing this week, that was the title at lawmakers zeroed in on what they claim is a growing rest thought beijing poses to american national security and global economic leadership ortiz and contributor chris ems discuss the story with my colleague, roy sushi are there. we must double down on our commitment to free people and free markets. the juxtaposition between the u. s. and china could not be more clear. they are centralized, we are decentralized, they are close, we are open, they suppress free speech and human dignity. we embraced it. these are the american

values that produce the economic strength that has led to the highest living standard and greatest military power in human history. chinese not an ally or strategic partner. they are a competitor and pose the single greatest threat to american global standing. so if we look today at this hearing from the finance committee, so 1st of all they, they say they say they're committed to freeing people in the free market. so what does that mean? we've got bite and now banning now totally and chinese and which is mainly a consumer electronics company while way from exporting anything into the u. s. supposedly they believe in free market. well, that's probably the most anti free market than you could do. it's, it's crazy. ok, maybe you want to ban certain things. we understand how for the chinese reciprocate in that way. that's just geo politics for you. but banning the fact that someone can buy a smart phone from a chinese company, it's absolute madness. you know, it just doesn't stop really between washington and beijing, washington. just keep.