free speech and human dignity, we embrace it. these are the american values that produce the economic strength that has led to the highest living standard and greatest military power in human history. chinese not an ally or strategic partner. they are a competitor and pose the single greatest threat to american global standing. so if we look today at this hearing in the finance committee, so 1st of all they, they, they say they have committed to freeing people in the free market. so what does that mean? we've got bite and now, banning now totally chinese, which is mainly a consumer electronics company wal way from exporting anything into the us. so supposedly they believe in free markets. well, that's probably the most anti free market. you could be. it's crazy. ok, maybe you want the band certain things, we understand how probably the chinese reciprocate and that way. that's just geo politics for you. but bombing the fact that someone can buy a smart phone from a chinese company, it's absolute madness. you know, it just doesn't stop really between washington and beijing, washington just keeps on. i would say provoking and antagonizing if you want to go

back to nancy pelosi trip to taiwan or anything that's hollywood story with his big blue and going over the country though. we're seeing a lot of remarks here. well, let's take, let's take this balloon that they've used again as a pretext through this, this being the chinese government. a saying this is actually owned by chinese, private company that has sent a whether divide. let's take google when google maps google maps that the chinese government thought salty, excuse me, they start shooting down, google is playing or whatever satellite surveillance to get that information. no, they didn't. there's that on top of it. and then really that's the pretext underneath the whole thing, which is so concerning which factors they ask everyone on this committee from both sides of the house, republican and democrat, would you vote, given this information to increase the debt ceiling? and i think that's the killer detail, here's what they try to get out there trying to get cross party consensus so they can borrow yet more money, which supposedly may need now to fight china. but we've spoken on the program. you have 2 dates and lots of people who are, you know,

from the chinese government chinese visit. they said we've got no regression against the us. we're not trying to push them, but apparently the us, the money to push against them. okay, just before we go, all a fit in this story around is set to join the world's largest buy size regional block, the shanghai cooperation organization. that's up to the nation's president, passed a law green lighting its entry. the move follows a summit last year of the group where a 2 on a non state would start the session process. the s c o cover 60 percent of your radio to solve the world's population, including russia, china, and india. the past aims to increase joint economic development tree cooperation between managers. so well iranian academic on political analysts from tier on university side ma hubig around they believe the shanghai corporation organization will help further unite your ration country. iran being

a very strong and independent country fiercely independent from especially western domination and had gemini, it makes it an excellent partner for countries that want to do business and trade and investment and do not want that country to be pressured by western countries. west is declining, and nato's domination over the world is collapsing. and it and right now we see the rise of asia, the shanghai cooperation organization, as it is, is huge. and the pocket it, most of the global population is a part of the shanghai cooperation organization. they're members of this organization. so as it is, western countries will have great difficulty in trying to undermine these countries because they are converging and weakens the ability of western countries

to use military, the military or sanctions against countries. i want to have an independent foreign policy of the west. right. more news views. plenty more besides can be found on our website. plenty to get stuck into there, but that is where we'll even use room for now. i'll be back in under 30 minutes. do hope you can join as well. my flight for a many whistleblowers around the world are focused on corruption. they see evidence of waste, fraud abuse or illegality. and they go to the authorities for many corruption whistleblowers their decision to go to the authorities. salts in last friendships

and in some cases, breadth for their jobs. but in some extreme cases, whistleblower pays with his or her life. that's right. sometimes the person engaged in corruption would stop at nothing to silence the truth teller, including resorting to murder. i'm john heriot too and you're watching the whistle blowers the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 today we're discussing the case of bev beaten dale koran in south africa, but be today. koran was an official in johannesburg, simbie. so hospital, she stumbled across what appeared to be 850000000 rand, worth of suspicious payments. that's about $47000000.00. and she went to authorities as a result in august 2021. she was targeted by a hip team of 6 men and ambushed in front of her home. she had told her superior and the police that she feared for safety. and she asked for police protection,

but it wasn't forthcoming. the 6 killers have been arrested and have been charged with murder, attempted murder, and illegal possession of firearms and ammunition. the alleged mastermind of the plot has not yet been arrested. the 6 killers should already have gone to trial, but that trial has been delayed several times for legal technicalities. were joined by renowned greek south african whistleblower ari denique us. ari is inefficient with blueprint for free speech. the australia based n g o. busy that recently honored the memory of the beat dale koran and which posthumously awarded her it's international wisdom blowing special recognition award. are welcome back to the show. already the story of but beat up they'll cut on is one that did not get wide coverage in the western media. in fact, it didn't get any coverage in the west at all. yet it's a critically important case. tell us 1st how this whole thing began. who was beat dale caught on? what exactly did she reveal?

john, bobby to the koran was a government official. so was in fact dead director for finances are full the department of health in south africa. and it was, it was doing a routine or, you know, check on, you know, figures and accounts and she came across sir said, and dodgy, they're unsafe transactions. in particular was seen a hospital and dead sea flagged nearly 850 millions in very dubious payments on a weekly pay run analysis. and there were a few, but came up her. there was so suspicious that she actually start investigating further and see stop the payment on over

a $100.00 and full 1000000 ah rent on on haymens i'm when she discovered those are you know incidence yog city deed? what any whistleblower does, you know that did any dental i'm disclosure and to see when to hear ceo and report the she findings now. ah, hopping around there, august 2021. on the 17th offer august, she actually sent an email to her seo with all the information. you know the details. and she told her that there were not 2 hadn't sitting on millions of worth of expenses on a hospital, which was one of the smallest in the area. ah, she discovered that that particular hospital had to erase arise on her on expenses

. 25 percent more than so. lot sir. mexico academic hospital was 4 times the size of this most people. so there was a lot of board. it's, you know, everything to the department. c. c a fall and coal for an immediate investigation. and as i said, stopped payments wharf of having 4000000 now the seo oxalis doctor to proceed with the payments and bobby dodson, except that she wrote on the 17th of august and the mill at 1042. actually, we actually have e mail, and a week later on the 23rd, she was gant down at the house entry sr. check our after c hart dropped shed. daughter to the school. my guess is a story of bobby dick rung. what was the immediate reaction to her revelations, why was it that the authorities didn't seem to take her seriously?

why didn't they launch an immediate investigation? shook. ah, i believe that day a special investigating unit was allocated to was dos to investigate that ah, story a see was actually a witness fall then national procedures, an authority in south africa. she was going to testify. so says fear for your life and after spoken to her family, i was told that she had actually since various e mails, you know, saying look, i'm bit concerned and under protection that never happened. so i'm very concerned about the feller of a system in south africa that protection weaknesses and whistleblowers at the time. mostly she remembers it was as on the call me some you know,

inquiring place thought it was investigating the am state capture in south africa. so that was with us. talk about the whistleblowers unfortunately, but better the system thinner from a better? no, no, it seems that it didn't. once that investigation began, she did tell the police that she feared for her safety and she asked for protection . that protection never came. was she being threatened or was she just worried? and can you explain to us the connection between this, this taxi industry person that has appeared in the press and the hospital where been beat. busy reported on on corruption. this seems to be something of a, of a conspiracy. i don't think that is a taxi person full may be that particular person house more gone than the 20

business. but there are, ah, speculation is that there is a prominent a in c o petition who is actually i, you know, she's a treasure dresser. a general of the aim sees it can q lenny of region. and he, all the companies garzon projects, knuckle hot all medical supplies. and while i'm not a security, i'm, she go that to pointed 1000000 contracting 2919 than 4200000 in 2020 any 2000. the new one. it should up to 7.5, millions. so now if you look at the portfolio of this particular application, you know, you'll make up your mind. but it's shocking and illustrates that that this, this person's company's sold such a variety of goods to the hospital, including clean material of supplies and even groceries. all vol zera,

one of the companies was listed thus an event here. so here you have an event firm selling medical material to equipment due to a hospital. it's crazy. and what, but beka and discovered it was to given a, an idea for plastic waste a rubbish beaks was sold for 15000 rand. i'm in dollars. us probably bought water to cease thousands, 0 dollars. it's ridiculous. we've seen in the south african press ari, that the trial of the 6 alleged killers has been repeatedly delayed. the most recent excuse coming from the south african police is that they haven't received all of the forensic test results back yet, but this murder happened more than a year ago. why are there these repeated delays that to possibly

latisha one is okay. iraq. now, the judiciary softer guides, kowalcik, it's pre election, you know, times ah, the current government is extremely corrupted. so you know that the 3 don't want the laundry, the dirty laundry to come out. so they delaying justice. ok . and the 2nd issue, these thoughts are the feresi department, africa at the moment. it's under working there and employed to so there are many, actually to thousands of criminal case spending due to forensic reports. ah, what bothers me is out. but is there a poser, you know, spoke about the beat up and he, you know, i'm, she was a demon, thought whistleblowers and it protects eats. and sir, you know, the need to be the, has to be some safety mechanisms and was supposed to so important for south africa

. so if i was a president, you know, for some buttons and try to get resolved. so i've got a problem will thoughts? i think the problem is political name. they just don't want this case to be to be, am untangled. thanks. sorry. stay with us because we're going to take a short break and we'll come right back. 2 ah, at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free its people. and to defend the world from gray with

we will bring to the iraqi food and medicines and supplies and sleep with. 2 ah, welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry. aku we're speaking with greek south african whistleblower. ari denique us about the case of south african whistleblower beat. a dale koran who blew the lead off of a $47000000.00 corruption scandal at johannesburg hospital. and was murdered for her revelations or he didn't. august is a well known south african whistleblower in his own right. he blew the whistle on police death squads that were using apartheid era interrogation methods on black

suspects, including torture and extra judicial killings on people suspected of minor crimes like auto theft. ari was more fortunate than but beat a was he and his wife escaped south africa with their lives. welcome back ari. this reminds me to tell you the truth, a little bit about your own case with the south african police and your own, your own whistle blowing. i can see a pattern connecting your case and but beat us at the time that you and your wife were fleeing south africa, you said that your lives were in danger. the south african police mocked you and they urged you repeatedly to return. well beater also said that her life was in danger. the police pretended that everything was fine and now she's dead. tell us about your own experience here. why were you so certain that you were in danger? what was it that made you decide to leave south africa quickly. told me my

case. going back to 1000 of 4 to one a was a volunteer. a peace officer for the south poly service are served with the notorious ghetto mana units. and i started watching atrocities committed by mcculloch's. i was torture at the offices. i would say, you know, extra judicial killings, the unique term was collecting a lot of trophy, faultless off dead african suspects. and us again experienced, realised that this would include his pa, turned on on far less of human rights. now what i did was, in 2004, i fur secretly filmed 3 short videos with one of my smartphones with the had a camera inside. so i took 3 videos of actually a torture, often african suspect, the offices. so did what bobby did the koran teach?

i decided to do an eternal bob. disclosure of us all i knew of saw it went to my senior commanding officer, who was also, i suppose, friend, a dime. and up to this day evidence and i said him, look, there's a problem here. voskus are the races, the going around, you know, violating human rights and they also, you know, i'm the, don't follow the constitution south africa. so instead off, i'm dealing with sate than investigating the, you know, she fully smiled commanding officer of the unit. he actually laugh about it, he said, well those hammer boys get the dissolves, get rid of you don't speak to anybody. so there was a very 1st issue hobbs, i'm, when i actually i'm report is wrong doing. after that, the software installation that wasn't allowed to go to the office, i was searched my son, the funds was collected and put into bucket. and for the next 4 years or the

remainder force, i've witnessed further that there was this which also documented eventually i went public with them. and the very next day i, you know, a bunch of voice my came to my home and they tried to intimidate me and tried to give me a verbal suspension to threaten me. my house had been burglary of the same dom offer of the of the month. i mar, soap had been so thought drive by shooting. i was beaten up my store. i talked so many incidents and i knew i had experience after 10 years and the police force to see the modem of warranty. and what will happen to me and i end up, you know, taking my was leave everything behind me and virtual yellow smuggled out of the country. my friends, it was the only way, unfortunately, era, you safety. and unfortunately, i was lucky. no, sir. fortunately, i was lucky, i am adduced. zip i double passports and i could leave the county, but better,

they goron been how the sanction there was an investigation into the allegations that you and others in south africa made. and you even went to the south african embassy in athens to make a formal statement. what ended up happening in your case. you were able to provide authorities with, with this actual video that you took. and i've seen it myself. these, these illegal police interrogations led to the deaths of people. the videos were very graphic. was anybody ever brought to justice? tony austin, i went to a nick, so i trotted a bit. mulash. yes. from scratch. i've lost everything. so, you know, i wanted to put him behind me, but i didn't because i felt myself that i got to something about it. i cannot leave all this africans right behind me. the almost dead tortured the pharmacy. so about

closer. so about accountability. so i'll send various emails through various in our networks media networks. gov and organizations graphic happened. so then i took everything in a login to on, on youtube and a channel. and i said i had enough, i've done enough. i'll move on mulash. then in 2011, an activist contract to me through my youtube john all the time and told me, are you aware that there is a criminal investigation or the cut them on a unit such as dumb not she? that's interesting. and then that activists a suggest that she get me to contact with the afford distance of africa. ad jumbled ed. yes sir. oh wow. that's guts will. you know? so after that, i start talking to you a z, a national position authority in the police detectives of south africa and didn't visit me 3000 since africa from 2012 to 2016 up with mile off into holt. and i cooperated against my evidence i'm. i've tried

to explain the situation. however, there were very door cheese that were very corrupted to any competent i'm. they tried everything to get me to fly me back to south africa and i knew i couldn't bark. go by soft, biggest a. there's so much corruption was in the unit. i mean, i know the guys and you have the operating, but my life was in danger. i mean, i had a new born at the time. i was a father for the 1st time malice and asked was of no, i will actually you need to guarantee the protection you need to put in a weakness protection. you know, program you need to secure, thought me, my family are protected, my dentist covered and, and then it will justify from a nother placed outside or south africa. we agree to that. and then they never gave a protection. they came back,

they asked me again to go box africa. i refused. and what did you say was very interesting to actually saddled a did. they took my notes, my draft notes. no, the ones we talk about going right. dawn who went bucked, court was sought my knowledge and my approval, the lie, the courts, and it produced my draft notes. as soon affidavits the fake my freak my signature, my so a font, i found this from the, from the newspaper and eventually they put in jeopardy the case the case was destroyed than if you buck is south africa. degrees of asked me again to help them with a mutual legal agreement and they get us a guess. i hope you, but you need to apologize in the 1st as you need to give me some sort of a, you know, witness protection. the like to me again, an assign them mutual legal agreement statement. the lesson will no protection. and from 2016, 2019,

where i find out that the case had been dropped. and i find out by the media. that was a story by the media getting back to a baby to his case. i know that you've been in touch with her family. i know that her daughter has spoken to the south african media. what are they saying? how are they preparing for? what eventually will be a very difficult trial. sh. i'm i speaking to tony who is a pastor and they are brother laura phillips but be ducks in austin said a few questions cuz i wanted to hear from the family and the told me that the devastated the told me that they had no feedback from the investigating authorities that told me that they are suspecting that the politicians through the inside they and she are not involved. and they delaying the procedure. and they also told me

that they don't have much faith on the system on that facade. they're frustrated. i mean this year gone by and this one was pointed out of the other. so they are extremely frustrated than hurt. the system has let them down. the system has let them down. what did these cases say about the system in south africa, about the law enforcement and judicial systems at blue print for free speech? the n g o. where are you follow these issues quickly? they have opinion, certainly on the south african system. are things moving in the right direction, or are they regressing, in south africa? well, the slogan is sandrica, stop killing your whistle blows, some savings better isn't. wow, you know, this got only carrying so much corruption, political level in south africa, that there's no chance thinks you'll get better the judiciary, the police,

the courts are controlled by corrupted political party, that he's acting like a mafia family. throughout weaponized, the security forces and especially the police force, inorder to silence whistleblowers. i mean, i'm hunting national, i'm handling a little for whistleblowers for south africa. and i advocate for them and accounting me northern to support them and they built the dose of corruption within the government and authority of shocking. it was alexis close by the garden. politicians are awful themselves and for the takings the made down the traffic. and especially the underprivileged africans are living poverty, the crime rates out of control, infrastructure and existing. and the wealth, as well as prom land is still unequal, distributed in some of africa. i'm afraid that will get catastrophically orse before he gets better. greek south african whistleblower ari denique. as thank you so much for joining us before we go, i'd like to urge our viewers to take

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