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janda, after violations of international law, and the brutal attack of the iranian revolutionary gods and police against their own population. we no longer have any standing invitations for rom. but russia under, on will be represented out the meeting has some opposition, figures from the countries they've been invited in the place of government representatives. the annual conference is attended by dozens of heads of states, officials on organizations, and covers the most pressing, international security challenges in the world. this glasgow. the thoughts on this now and speak to senior a foreign policy analyst on public diplomacy, strategies, side mas stuff, a question side, you're most welcome to the program. i suppose that this might have been seen to happen, but the fact that opposition figures have been invited. it's as if to say, we don't think that you're a governments are in charge will speak to somebody else who will represent your
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people. it's quite a statement by they unit council, isn't it all? it is hello and thanks for having me. well, it is actually, it's very, very much understandable why they've done this. you know, since last february we've been in tough confrontation with the united states and its european allies over iran's nuclear debates in vienna, fox chase, if you're a revival, actually, and the bait after iran stood firm against the bullying demands of the united states and its allies they started hybrid war for 2 ice, actually even 2 rounds in spring. and also after the latest vienna talks in september, they went for a stronger round of hybrid war for this hybrid offer includes 14 battle grounds for war, perception, media war for psychological operations, instigating roggette,
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foreign currency meddling cyber attacks, terror, assassination, sabotage attacks. and also many other areas, including political and diplomatic pressure and working on the so called opposition is a sub category of the say, i mean it's part of the political and diplomatic pressures they're trying to exert on iran in order to step back and retreat in the talks in the short run, but they are also pursuing mid term and long term goals, which is why they're in a much more important. anyway, this is not the only move they made, but the kind of combination they have invited. it's very much. i don't want to say hilarious, but it's very much interesting actually. interesting indeed. what message then side are the organizations trying to nick with such an invitation to both countries
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up, you know, the opposition of these long republic. it's been 2 weeks since 43 years ago. when the shar. ready was deposed, been actually, ever since then, there have been tens of divisions among the opposition. that's. busy why i don't see how sand and figures are standing alongside each other in alliance against iran . they have been in rifts and, and they've been confused and rivalry as well as sometimes consulting each other. ready never standing qualifications like one part is result of you who's been invited to the conference. the other part is the publicans. they have not been recognized. also the n k or terrorist group that has been pushed. i mean put up on the stage by republicans in the neocons in a recent event at washington. the m k or. ready is groups really there?
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my ambridge review was the keynote speaker. she was also invited to the italian parliament couple months ago. but she was not sent to this new in a conference because she represents terrorist group. they are killed over 70000 iranians. but this mary, m a b, and like many others, they are standing against each other. not only because they do not agree with each other, but also because nowadays, opposition of these long republic being an opposition member or leader is, has become an industry and so lucrative industry actually. and they are trying to win a bigger piece of the case. so, this is more than a political rivalries among the opposition. this is all, all you know, standing for winning something there. but what matters here is that they,
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it shows something very important when they, they say they have sensors about miss elaine jackson, who's rarely a part of this is the state department and cia, according to documents revealed to the public. actually she's been on the payroll and she's a stooge. ready or, or even rarely applaud, why not someone else? well, it has a lot to say one is that they have fail again to strike alliance among the opposition to is that still the opposition is so weak that they are sending some weak on. so they are trying to, to child to iraq, to say that you're growing, isolated, but one is not as east asia, i mean, the eastern front standing closer to each other. russia you run china and many others are standing closer to each other for, for tough fights. against the united states on the west. ready bank and tried
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trying to keep it as a monitor. it just seems an ironic doesn't it, that you've got a security conference with some of the biggest players, the biggest actors in the world today coming together to talk about those big challenges. but that we maybe speak about another day. thank you so much for coming on the program and sharing your thoughts. senior foreign policy analyst on public diplomacy, strategies side must stuff. a question. thank you. russia has demanded unassisted from the organization for security and cooperation in europe. but the alleged use of chemical weapons by ukrainian forces in the done yet public officials say as a result of key actions russian service men have been chemically burned and poisoned authorities in the den. yes, republic, say ukrainian forces have used drones to deploy such chemicals on russian positions near google. adar on archer mosque,
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a russian investigative committee are also probing the incense and say it is not an isolated case. the russian ambassador to the united nation say that western countries will turn a blind eye to these incidents are formal west and partners to be their chess and declared that they would not allow the use of chemical weapons by any one will have no doubt that they will ignore the additional war crime of this alaska regime. these are the double standards of today's west. the head of the russian delegation on arms control talks in vienna. constantine gorilla says he does not expect an appropriate response from his western counterpart that personally don't expect roma . my european colleagues, any reaction they my opinion can justify all atrocities can be done by ukrainians in their life front line,
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a investigating or russia, all these incidents and establishing parks and who perpetrated this will be punished, but the k for russian military training. and it's clearly says when it's used now must destruction. what can be done? it's up to, to superior said to the side on this, but it's a dangerous situation in we want to put it in no reaction. i stated, we haven't received it. this is very said, ah, the united nations has called died laquia saying it's restrictions on russian language. minorities goes against human rights. recent legislative changes in lafayette to limit education in the countries. minority languages are contrary to
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human rights standards. the government of lafayette has an obligation under international law and regional instruments to protect and uphold the language rights of the countries. minority communities without discrimination. last september, riga, adopted a law, prohibits the use of russian as well as other minority languages in schools. aiming to make love in the only language used, according to authorities, the bill as part of a wider di russ, if a cation effort brought about by the conflict in ukraine. however, they also claim there is no violation of human rights. students can still study russian as part of the curriculum, but the un special repertoire on minority issues. and convinced, as i said, studies by unesco and others previously clearly showed that teaching in the language of a child using his or her language as the medium of instruction is the best met the
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pedagogical approach to make sure this the children acquired literacy and numeracy, numeracy as effectively as possible, the response of the government of latvia would seem to suggest that if they believe that it is enough to only allow children to learn their language, but not to be taught in their language. that is, the position of says, do you in special content is inaccurate. nissan and international standards, including the prohibition of discrimination that the current policy does not comply with the prohibition of discrimination. it discriminates against russian and other linguists, minorities in life, you know, by gradually eliminating all indications into languages. on meanwhile, the head of the wagner private military group said his company has stopped
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recruiting from russian correctional facilities. replying to a request from cnn on the reason for that, he said the group has all the applicants it would never, ever need from the united states. after we released the wagner p. m. c. advertisement for the american audience, we receive more than 10000000 applications from us citizens wishing to join us to fight against nato. at the moment we are considering about 1000000 american citizens for employment. therefore, we temporarily suspended the recruitment of volunteers from russian prisons. however, if there is a corresponding request from the us state department, we will recruit from american once. while lay wagner group remains on the front lines in the conflict and ukraine. it's been branded a criminal organisation by washington. we have a chance to speak with one of its soldiers who just recently completed his contract with the group. r t correspondent, steve sweeney sat down with we're in russia's north western city of st. petersburg
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meeting with spartak, a former convict, and wagner fi to his recently return from the frontline in ukraine. can you tell us how you came to join the army for us? was that 1st went to serve in the security force in chechnya in 2002. there were many issues to deal with in the motherland. i served until 2005 and was wounded in a special operation. there were many special operations in chechnya and we were defending a city in the va density region. we had shootouts with arab mercenaries. that's where i was wounded. but in general, there were many what's the difference between the all me back then. and today, i'm where was shamela brochure this we had to rely on ourselves. the army wasn't that strong. back then. now we have a strong army. why did you decide to join cutter of forces? but some, which was, you mean my father served? i love my republic and i am proud to be a chechen. i have brothers sisters, my father, and my mother there. oh my family,
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how could i not join when i was called up? what did you do after you were wounded? robert sellers that he thought i worked here and there, studied to become a construction worker, to be honest, i haven't managed to find myself, but now i've matured became wiser. i began to break the law and got locked up. jo ann, how did you end up in prison? rome of this dish, but i really don't know how to explain what happened. i was caught with a weapon after the war. i was young, maybe, mentally unstable. maybe i didn't understand something in my own reality. i guess it just happened, do you have family and if so, how did i react to your decision to join wagner and head to the front lines to fight that bill? i have a child, a father and mother, a brother, sisters. we have a big family. my son is 6 years old. of course they were worried. that's our mentality. but what could be done? they understand our families, very patriotic. they love their motherland. all my brothers,
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my sister has 3 kids. her husband was killed in ukraine, but this is our country. we must love it and protect it. and how did you end up joining wagner? and almost there wasn't really, i didn't think i would end up in wagner. i signed the papers to go and here i am. the boss came to our prison. he just made an offer and told everything how it was, the war is brutal. it's not the chechen war. some one decided to go and someone didn't. i decided instantly. i wasn't even thinking about the amnesty. yes, of course, amnesty is great and my term is long. i had other motives, my relatives died there and i was ready to serve the motherland if needed at any time. what did the inmate think about these special military operation? what was their perception of what was happening in ukraine? but fellows, because when we found a chance will blah will say patriotism. there is much stronger than in civilian life. we were all watching and felt for our country, whatever it may be,
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we were born there. our country is a great country right now. some people are running away across the border. every one is different, some r i t specialists, some are stormtroopers like me, but in my opinion, you must serve the country and make yourself useful. what is the process of joining wagner? how does it happen the through the 30th the federal penal service communicate speaks to us. if you want to go, if you're ready, if you understand in 2 to 3 days he came back, then begins the paperwork, all the bureaucratic issues. i don't know the details. i haven't delved into it deeply. we talked and he took me away as he promised he said he'd come and he did, and we flew there by playing then by helicopter. and then we arrived at the training base. what's going for you mind when you sign the contract? you are aware that you're going to the front line and as heavy fighting that you
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might die. what do you think when you put a pen to paper, joe, a shimmy. i did. i didn't think about anything for a single day to tell you the truth. i didn't make any further plans for the time after the contract. it's not that i lived one day at a time. i was thinking about tomorrow, about the guys, the group i was thinking about the performance of the assault group. it was like a fellowship. however, i didn't think of coming back to civilian life. we thought about the job and served as faithfully as we could. we tried to be useful. how did you become a commander doctor? yeah. well, i'd served in chechnya. i didn't get the position right away. they look at your performance, it just happened by itself for more. there's no difference to fury for more kernel or an ex convict. what really matters is that you must know how to work and just work hard and efficiently. what training do you have? what? what was it like that i thought it did in rust of we got completely equipped to
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ammunition. clothing. we got everything. then we flew to the training base. we trained learned to shoot the 1st ones who went were the guys who served in the army . we had physical training there shooting lessons. how hard will that worth their permit? as it should be? the guys can see for themselves what condition they are in. they realized that they had muscular atrophy. the training sessions were hard core until you're ready, they won't let you out to fight. and what did you have in terms of equipment and support or the adequate did you have everything that you needed? but a formal which for we are given 2 pairs of the best, uniformly rations for the last 4 months. we have been a couple meters away from ukrainians, yet we still drank energy drinks and 8. we have good, timely deliveries on what, what happened after your last fight, where we left there? lot of storm troopers also rotate. you need to swim. check your health. go through
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medical checks. we do it once a month. how long is the contract half a year? how are you wounded? my brother? we had our 1st battle. we were trying to capture pill boxes. there were mercenaries, there our 1st battle with mercenaries. there were different ones swedes, norwegians, polls many others in a shoot out. 3 of us. 3 died. 10 people came in, we fought with dignity, shot every one. the task was completed in full and we left. how many foreign fighters are there? orchard logo, or go a lot. we whacked around. 40 in the 1st battle. right now, it's mostly mercenaries fighting. they're fighting, well they were you, but after 30 minutes of contact with us, they run and that's all the poor guys. they throw ukrainian soldiers at us. we whack them and catch them. they are also very ideological guys. like zombies, leave a lot of propaganda. there. they think that they will soon take moscow,
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but they are afraid of wagner. why looseness that replied, well, you see, that's how we were presented. tell it i captured this one ukrainian. why torture him propaganda tells him fairy tales. nonsense. did they change their minds off? they meet, you illumine. there is no good if i think many guys are ready to serve with us because they start seeing the reality. even though there's information on the internet, they're still heavily zombified thinking. they're winning the ward and that we are orks. do you know progression? how is communication between him and the wagner fighters? yes, i talked to him many times. let me tell you he's a simple russian man, a patriot of his country. yes, wagner is a private company, but it's not about the money. his soul is in it. he talks to us like a real lad, our job, south western media portray,
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wagner is terrorists. what do you make of that lazopoulos for western countries? it is surprising that a person goes directly to the battlefield. they will all talk, but we're not interested at all. if we respond every time, then things will be very bad for us. we must have our own idea. it's important to educate young people to love their country, hooligan or not. everyone should know that they're motherland is russia, and that they have to be ready to stand up for it. more lust laura chechnya is developing and doing well in russia. i would be surprised even upset if the chechens did not stand up 1st. chechen russian, there is no difference. but wagner, this is my family, my brothers. i can call them sit down to talk, drink tea, go somewhere and help out if needed. they have their own brotherhood. the main thing is for them to do their job. what was your heaviest fight?
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thus the theories will not tough because every battle is tough in its own way. but the 1st battle was the most emotional. there was a lot of adrenalin. i got a wound because i was in a hurry. i could have avoided that. do you get used to it? do you get used to the fighting? the yam when there is shelling, you know, roughly where it's going to land. if you've survived a month, it is easier to survive from than on. does it start to feel a bit like an everyday job? i. yes. of course. daily assaults shelling of both sides serious shelling. i couldn't even imagine that it could be like that. those who served in chechnya guys who also served in uganda, syria, they say it doesn't look like any other war. it's a brutal war. what's the atmosphere like on the frontline of kaiser? we try to treat it lightly or war means war. the guys are very spirited,
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it's like they don't even think that someone can be killed. we drink tea in the evening. there is no talk of potentially someone being gone to morrow. they'll be. how do you feel being part of such a notorious group? oh, well, i'm proud in general that i served that i met the boss. i'm proud that i shook his hand. he taught me a lot, gave a lot to me. i'm a little all the conflict will end one day. what does the future hold for you? but also full wagner group. oh yeah, i don't know. i'm ready to help somewhere to work. and wagner has a great future. in addition to ukraine, it operates in africa, protects russian interests. there are many jobs around the world. she worked for of wood, them at the ministry of defense, the national guard who all treat us with respect. advances on the ground have been impressive. wagner fighters were crucial in the operation. so russia take control
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of solid on why. why do you think that is? why do you think these achievements are so impressive? the most thought of because were fighting there. there was fighting, but the results. so logistics tactics, morale, the boys are working. it's hard, it's winter. the ukrainian said that works will freeze in the winter. but you can see the results of our work. there is no difference whether it's winter or summer or russian. people are used to everything. if it must be done, it will get done. is there any interaction on the ground between the regular armed forces and, and wagner? and how do you communicate with each other and, and reach a consensus? the live wisdom of we are on our own. our own tanks, a platoon of 425 people. 16 to 17 age yes. 5 mortars, a tank and a p. c. and 80 g m, we have everything. what we have our own planes right now. sometimes we ask our
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units for artillery back up and they don't stop until we say that we're going in the door. they cover us with mortars the supporters. then we go with lawyer. sometimes there are no survivors. illness, how heavy are ukraine's losses. what you thought the huge or so they say they're missing. they dumped the bodies. we walked through the forest, there were a lot of corpses here right now, there are urban battles, but there were maybe 10 missing that end up being under a house with the bureau. what is hard fighting in the towns in the cities? oh, or in the forests? obama got a bourbon. combat is tough. the war itself is hard. tough. you know we, we are fighting a special operation. 42 countries support them. i myself wrote down what they are provided. well, when i took trophy, sort of the weather is body armor for a sleeping bag. a little bit of everything on the technology weapons chicks. it's
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a computer war l. a. quad comptroller's. i couldn't even imagine that boy should let you love. will those 42 countries be able to help you cry? go to believe they will stop. poland latvia will remain no, but the big countries will peel away from this dirt, little by little. why are they unable, how, why ukrainian forces retreating? what, what went wrong with their lay of the keeper? you? here's an example. you take a mercenary prisoner. she receives 2800 euros a day in salary payments. he thought it was going to be a safari, but they also realized that this is not of ghana. stan, not syria way. there is no spirit, but we are guys with a spirit, an idea. whoever you are though, it's hard to go into battle when you think you may die. but when you know that is for your people and that your country depends on you, it's different. i never, not even once thought that we would lose despite the whole world wishing it.
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rubbish. who is russia fighting? is it ukraine? through the we are at war with almost the entire civilized world. europe, america, all the weapons are there. it's not ukraine. poor ukraine. many there are also being forced, they have the i dar battalion mercenaries and ideological western ukrainians are also fighting their zombified. a ukrainian will sit in captivity for a week and totally changes when you do people on the front line, understand what they're fighting for, even though we'll get is our war. this is a holy war on our land, almost a civil war. these are our people. how was it not our war? i don't understand. who are we? if this isn't our war, your contract is over. have you been officially pardoned? yep. all yes. officially and state awards and p. m. c. awards and
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a letter of thanks from the head of lou ganske. all is clear. so what are your plans now for the the coming days, the coming month? will you attend to the front line? yes, you love the book if necessary. yes. if i'm ordered to yes, in the meantime, it's family affairs health. my plans for the future is to get some medical treatment. remove a fragment of of the wagner takes inmates like yourself. i from prison. do you feel that you have redeemed yourself and is it an opportunity for other prisoners to do the same? the yes, greater redemption only comes from god. i personally saw death 10 to 15 times in front of my eyes. there it was. i left the trench for a 2nd and my friend was killed, but i believe i ever deemed myself. and all of those who were in this war, every citizen must be ready for not necessarily storm trooper. of course,
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there are computer scientists. there are poets. every one should do what they can, but you have only one motherland and you must love it. ah, a quad doors was to be thought on. i mean, i had a major. was i your ship with a hair dresser, a bus driver, a sales person. anyone could become a victim. ah, that's our private negotiators. first appeared with what am i look forward to speak with? no, not really a minute use more, you'll will be up, but i am on that. on the global. those let me know. it is only be feasible,
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mention it on on the yes do yet. studies boys took over the serious me go forward with it. ah ah,
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ah ah, disturbing images ahead. russia opens a criminal investigation into the brutal execution of russian prisoners of war by ukrainian troops. the un office that verified that footage as authentic health express deep concern with auto on the program. the u. s. lapse new sanctions on iran targeting fuel and het true chemical sol to asia. but say it won't be taking action against the india for buying russian oil. we could live reaction not coming up and brussels is struggling to trace frozen russian.

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