years, you know, they tried to stop this project to condemn the germans for building it. they've been sanction dear p companies for building it, you know, in the name of protecting our energy security area. the rand report or, or to for the u. s. army say on how to weaken and extend russia and again, in terms of energy, it said the 1st step was to stop nor stream to, you know, he had the pompei you. i said, we'll do everything we can to stop it. i desultory a new link. i think and all it is all oh, all open source. yeah. open source in newland as well said at the you know, we will find the way of stopping this. you know, tom caught news toward we're gonna kill north stream to let it rust beneath the baltic. and of course, this is what a biden us, well said, a was very opened in a standing next to the german chancellor saying, if russia goes into your cranial will stop it. and no matter what's and, and how are you going to do this? the journalist southwell trust us, we can do it to so it's, is it, it's a, you know, this

a mountain of evidence there that they wanted to do it. and after it was blown up, you had, you know, 1st of all, the polish, for a previous foreign minister at alex who is the quotas case, or i think thank you you a say in just remove any doubt to posted a picture of the exploded pipeline. and then you had the little, anthony blink and coming alex and me this thing, this is a tremendous honor. unity now maybe we can finally replace the russian energy and with american. and again that only recently, victoria newland came out once again. you know, instead of, you know, trying to cover her own back, she made it very clear that she and the united states administration were very gratified that nordstrom la saw uncle metal at the bottom of the sea. so i do know if this was a open debate or a trial, you would have some very strong evidence say that perhaps you did the thing or in it you didn't even read. mentioned the details of seymour hersh. his article, he gave all the open source here and then we have his article kind of connect. so

let me mark martin here in front of me. it's kind of like an inverted o j. simpson case. ok oj was let off. ok fine. he didn't kill is ex wife and her boyfriend. then who did? i mean, this is the us and its allies will dismisses the medium. we'll talk about it. so if it's what see my hearse? probably one of the greatest living journalists of our time. if he's wrong and who did do it, there is no interest in that either. mark just goes completely against the narrative which has been fed to the job this year. nobody wants to go there. nobody wants to deal in nuances. and i don't know about the reference to oj, i'm worried sema, she's going to end up driving across america. i'm on live tv with people chasing him because i think he's, he's heading towards a massive character assassination. i can't imagine wester's already. yeah. it's already started. it's already started, you know, don't be surprised if they find child is already settled. this taxes are repeat up an ex wife or, or is enrolled in criminal gangs or anything that's possible. but the story isn't

epic. peace, investor, journalism, it really is stunning in this detail. in as colleges, in just every paragraph is endorsed as various lives, but it just throws up so many extraordinary questions. extraordinary. as a journalist has been covering a lot of these countries that are really victims of the us intervention. how oil oil pipelines just keeps on coming up again and again. and again. when you look, if you wish to venture, it's something to, to try to find for you over a cheap oil and is nearly always to do with pipelines even have guns done. was actually a story about george w bush, george. so it was senior trying to nail huge energy deal for a telephone and company trying to build a pipeline right across the country and negotiating with each other in the late ninety's. it was all about oil and pipelines. and again, it's the same story with when you grow what, what this proves the still,

the incredible piece of journals improves beyond any doubt is the americans, the by the ministration light and light and light. and everything that we see here from mainstream media is just a huge light. and it was, you talked about the reference to, to our there was a mystery. this was a new york times. this wasn't some tabloid, you haven't heard of it. you can, it was in new york times were the biggest giant l darren improve today. so, you know, android, as even today i just refer to single article as a broke. i mean, think about that. he's rattle the establishment. you know, with this page, but he rattled them, you've been rattling them since the me line massacre. ok. yes. he didn't publish his his work on the sub stack because he's been so discriminated against because he annoys the the be. it says, well, calling you to blog again. if glen you're in norway,

norway is implicated in his investigation. here was no, we didn't media and the government here. oh so, so one of the newspapers only had one word in the title, which is nonsense. but it's kind of a, well, it is very dismissive and i think it's unfortunate because i think for media they, they really need don't ask 2 questions. is this true? that's what they have to pursue. and they said of public interest. now, the truth aspect in that would require them to do some journalism and follow up on this leads and of course of a public interest. but who are the journalist no longer asked status question? rather, if you look in the reporting, the only question i seem to ask is, will this information assist nato or russia and if it's enough that favoring the russian narrative, then suddenly a ghost on the memory hold. and is there unfortunate because i think a lot of this journalist, they think they're doing us a favor by skewing all the reporting. but at the end of the day, you know, the lute people losing trust in me then also to taking us down the very dangerous

path, you know, to source of possible nuclear war. so i don't think they, they thought this a morales through and so, so again, a lot of them are the comments were when they were people make arguments which, you know, or does matter how much fact the route in it. people assess, well, doesn't lean towards favoring russia or nato if it seems to russia, then they always go after the person that don't addressed argument. so seymour hersh, you know, how is the reporting media now, while he's a former investigative journalist, apparently not a whore, he's old. he might be senile. he's a kiss of being put in nist. and of course the posting this in a blog. and because his sin over the hill that is one of the most respected investigative journalists of our time, not only in revealing this massacre of me line vietnam in the sixty's, but also the upgrade, but prison scandal into 2000 the shirley. he deserves his case. the serfs to be heard, and if egg and maybe he's wrong, maybe over the hill. but the,

the weakness of the paper i would say was that is based on, on the, on the source which can be confirmed. on the other hand, the strength is smarter, pointed out, shoot him out of details. you know, this is a lot to follow up and we don't have to take her word as gospel, but surely there's a lot. journalists should get all this information a lot too much on to, let's see where this goes. but again, if it goes towards the point, we're seeing a weakening, the nato and washing narrative, we don't want to follow this path. and again, it's, yeah, i think it's a disgrace in but martin, i'm glad that we'd be in the elementary details brought up when i read it. i just thought this was, i mean, if this is a fake story or he invested in norman's method, i'm an expert in making up those details there. but with martin, when it's important to understand, i think that again,

we went over the open source information here. then we have this investigative journalism and they, they, they fold into each other just perfectly mean that i think both the view and our viewers were, they were reading the article, realized, oh, okay, that's it. that piece there. that makes sense because we knew this in advance. i mean, there's no refuting of facts. there's just refuting of him. yeah, it's become, will become intensely personalized. it will be able about him. but i just, i just some googling before one and i noticed that the story is being picked up quite a lot around the world. so in this situation, at a certain point, the american journalists are almost obliged to actually follow up and actually report reported. and i think this will probably happen in the next couple of weeks . folks are using it as a way of adjusting the, by the ministration that's supposed to be expected. i take, which i would take blends point to talk about the source. i think it was more than one source if i remember, look at it again. but i think there were a couple of sources that is a gentleness, you know we,

we tend to look at the tiny details and we notice that there is a certain resonance. and the article of business from these sources who tend to seem to be owned by them. so, you know, there is a real intelligence community takes nothing more than a president who is sloppy and indiscreet with operations that are on undergoing are about to go. and a few sideswiped was quite shocked about the statements by and made about the under secretary statements as well. you know, it was all very indiscreet. so i think that's important. but for me, their article really does throw up some incredibly important questions, isn't germany then just american? you know, that's exactly what i want to ask both of you have a glen. i mean, i don't read your when i tell, you know, i can just jump into the russian and the german media sphere. but from what i can gather, it's been a very muted reaction by them. i mean, and they're the biggest victims. and all of this really this after sitting,

suck it up when yeah, well they're taking another one on the chin. i guess i see. and i read, well my german is a high school level, so i don't brush too much about about it from reading spiegel and all that put it into for a new section. is there pipeline by the way, and they kind of refer to, you know, a russian allegations and in on did their own bell too much into the, to the specific accusations but, but again, it's a, it's, i think, shown since becoming a bit humiliated casino you have this pipeline and kind of run those that the united states, at least as that has been behind this. like really it, how much more evidence do we need from? it's a officials, but also it's a continuation of this a tank issue where obviously us pressured them into sending the live part tanks and be yourself going to save their sunday abrams publish, or at least not for another year or so. but i'm guessing it was only depression them so they kind of know, notice how they're being manipulated and pressured, and a lot of german officials are getting quite a thought hold that thought we have

a good of a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some really st with our ah ah, needs to come to russian state to never tied as on and in those landscape with all sunset within the 50000 feet of keys on any final speedy one else about this even if we will fan in the european union, the kremlin. yup. mission, the state on russia today with marquee spook neck, given our video agency, roughly all bands on you to send with,

ah, ah, the west, in convincing much of the rest of the world on that particular point around you, craig and, and russia's actions in ukraine. i think one of the problems of the west is the rest of the world looks at this and says, why you apply one standard in this conflict. and you're ignoring those standards in all the places. i think palestine. he's very high on that. on the list of examples, old way you do not apply the say, stands with

welcome back across stock. were all things are considered on peter? well, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real. ah well, let's go back to martin america. let me in looking at the reaction to it or non reaction to this story. if there's a certain service that i get from the official american legacy media, is that yeah, well, so what we can do, it may be, this kind of impunity is and plus the watching the germans particularly show being humiliated. they that mission accomplished. okay. i mean, they are doing everything. glenn said he took another one on the cheek. i mean, is there any, i don't know how many kicks he has,

like i keep getting hit over and over and over again. so, i mean, you know, the fact that the germans are being humiliated again, and it tells people to get in line, you know, there's, you know, where the unity here, that's a bar go ahead. yeah, i again, i wonder how much immigration shows can also wonder what actually happened in the white house, 3 weeks before nuclear war started. when, when shoot the button was a deal struck then by to say, look, you know, we're going to go ahead and blow up anyway, so you might as well get on board. what did he, she shows, did he, did he suggest that it was an option? we might lately to look at, i mean, the interesting thing is the time life, you know, and, and, and her just is really laid this up briefly. and it makes the point, again, again, again, which is going to be very hard for us journalist to completely ignore this, you know, by them basically prepared himself for the spread the administration from almost

they want the most january, 2021 to these pipes pipelines, you know, it was always considered, reflect that was considered a stretch to america's ability to throw his weight around in europe. the americans were always intimidated and vexed by germany as dependency on cheap gas from russia . so the thinking was, we can't get them on board to actually go ahead the a war in ukraine. we need to do something which actually pushes some way rely, so they have 2 choices. i think it's actually amazing. i mean, what is this, what are we actually talking about in terms of international law? we're talking about international terrorism and active international terrorism. i think by the grace of god. the fact that 49 percent of the company which owns those pipelines was european, if it was a 100 percent russian, we could be looking at a world war situation. and this is not an exaggeration. parents been remarkably held back and restrained over this, but it tells me what the address is to both of you. okay.

well civilian infrastructure in international waters or in the airspace is fair game know? yeah. their game. so what can we expect campaign? would it be realistic? would it be reasonable to assume some sort of response for the russians? well i, i absolutely think so, and i think there's always reciprocity, but it's a symmetric goal. be that time in place of their choosing here, glen, in the broader scheme of things here. there are always people talking about there needs to be a cease fire that needs to be negotiated. end of this. but if you have an administration which, you know, the, the, the investigative integrity that the seem, or her springs to this here mean the, or what the russian supposed to say. meaning if you deny something that is patently obvious, all of the agree, the minute process, all the things you've been duplicated is every step of the way. but now you're

going to be honest with us. it doesn't work that way. know about the better, but it doesn't matter because i think it's us this it doesn't happen because the media again, as i mentioned it, they don't really report on that the we have the wisdom in agreement or 7 years of sabotaging it's very openly to us and you can especially and, and also never in reporting, even when lensky was saying, we're not gonna follow this anymore. are the media still reports that while the rush us, the one not implementing it in the texas, they're black and white, so it was all nonsense. and even now, after russia and a to do you have, you know, the israeli prime minister going out former prime minister, been, it's actually saying, listen, ukrainians, want to do a peace agreement that the russians wanted it. this is early march. we could have done it, but the west said no, especially us and u. k. they wanted to continue this to smash, put in the 1st one up or to to fight approximate against them. so, you know, no matter what and doesn't matter what the crane is wanted that's,

that's why they put the block down. then this real is i pushed out as negotiated. the turks take over the turkish for this. there's just the same thing. we were close of the both sides wanted it. and then the west stepped in a said, no, we want to fight russia now with this ukranian so. so no matter what the ukranian songbook will continue. and he also this reports by fiona hill and her colleague in a foreign affairs. these are people who are talking to intelligence networking to us and also democratic leaders about the high up in the democratic party. they also wrote to foreign affairs. yeah, they were close in agreement and what russia most important for it wanted only for you to commit the self and not to taking more nato and us weapons on the russian borders. that's what russia wanted. your grand wanted its territory back so they were very close to deal. and then what happened them here then and read the steps in and offer all the weapons in the world. if their fists and older men to the front, that's what mitch mcconnell said as well. it's all nice and well and down to this

idea of you know, how brave ukrainians are. but this is ultimately about american interest. we have to knock out the thrush. that's our goal. lindsa graham saying the same thing. this is a great deal for us to. we've promised lensky would probably all the weapons in the world, and he just has to send all his men the fight to the last man. that's his word, fight down to the last ukrainian and then all of this goes under the umbrella of we want to help them, like we have screwed over the ukrainians from day one for the language. but we did this and then we call it helping a funny, so cynical and it's disgusting. it's horrible. well, you know, martin, that i mean future historian. so maybe explain to his wife the lindsey getting is saying yeah, will sacrifice our people that's really truly extorted. glen, this is absent from the media. look, you know, you have the israel, the premise or sitting there thing if word by word, there's no denial afterwards and the media sees it. and if that is true,

yes. is it the interest of the public? yes. will publish it, know of its strength and the russian. arthur, it disappears and that's what i mean. the reality no longer really matters if you, if you don't want to report on anything. and so it's, it's a 3rd situation. and it's very interesting. and when you get, again, you know, this propaganda machine, you know, protecting ukraine sovereignty, while the u. s. has no interested in protecting its own southern border. but that's another topic for the program. but i mean, you know, talking about, you know, ukraine's international standing an existence here. but what the destruction of the pipelines is basically telling germany you have no sovereignty, in any sense of the word, we will determine your interests. okay. and we will act upon them, particularly when they're not in your interest mark. yeah, i'm going back to glen's point, i think is actually true. you know, everything is,

well, the evidence that you need to look for is already there already on the net or sort of been recorded is youtube is there for people to see. and the journalist just choosing to not to see it. it wasn't just the piece talks in manchester, which, you know, seem to have gone to the 11th hour where both sides because we agreed which was covered by the americans and british. it was actually worse than that. if you look at the time line and go back to biden's an alteration just before i think in december 2020, the russians are correct me if i'm wrong, send the document to the americans, which basically sets out what they would like america or native to do which is take this concept, this idea, this notion that ukraine could be a new nature member off the table. that's all we have to do those human and we look at it now. it doesn't seem like a big deal now because actually it's already off the table. so that gives you an idea of just how simple whoa, is how life's the offer was. clearly, this administration from the very,

very beginning the ukraine war and it's sites on my even goes far to say is that they actually planned that. i mean, when you know something is about to happen and you sit back and prepare yourself for it so that you profit on every level and that's what really biden's don't. you know, he's not this idea in so long grass. it's interesting and i can remember i'm using my own words, this program, is it? yes, this was a trap in the russians fell for it. okay, no other choice. however, i would say glen then, but by setting this trap, nato is set a trap for itself because everything it martin is right. this is very well planned out. remember the same players were in the, in the obama administration. they just to go for here break, and then as soon as they got back into power, they went right back with the interest them. and ukraine was one of them here. but you know, the, the, the assumption that the rest of the economy would collapse to be an uprising. and we received a that was all part of it to ok. that didn't happen. and i think that's the

quandary that they find themselves in here. and what is it explicable for me? and again, i want to go back to the zelinski and as volunteering their own people. ok, you know, for the us, you know, empty their storage, you know, stocks and all that. that's all nice and fine print money until the cows come home . but giving up your own people and it's truly extraordinary. go ahead land. no, it is dreadful. and i had to search quickly. wanna add something on the german aspect. i'm in meet. imagine being a germ politician or journalist. no, you know, it does no evidence that russia blew up. it's on pipelines, they never met incense and also they admitted their so evidence. and yet you have to refer to russian playbook or some propaganda. while the americans top official on the others atlantic, sending us celebrating the destruction of the pipeline, you have to sit there and pretended ill or no, no, it's just propaganda us rush. it must be a horrible situation of being and, and in the can't you know, report on facts either. so, but no, i agree that's not home syndrome. i mean they're, they're, they're, they're really capture, they, they did their, the politicians are captured,

the media is captured. everybody knows that for anyone is interested in the story, can figure it out pretty easily. we. yeah, i'm, i'm not a brain surgeon, but i mean all, everything that was laid out made sense to me and i said from, you know, it's obviously who did it because who benefit from it? that's all you ask ahead. well, wasn't, was been very open up. you know, for past due a 1020 years about a subjective of strike to sever the russian economy from the european, especially the russian from the german. because this is something you know, that would undermine america's role. and i think they, with through sanctions and destruction. this pipeline to be quite successful at it, but the problem is when you assess restored is hedge a monic role. it's block discipline, if you will, on in europe. know that we were all now bending to washington. but that of the problem of this whole thing was the world is no longer western centric to suit all parts of the rest of the world. so in russia, sending this energy in and not even to its, its allies, ohio oppose america. but even india, they were non existent, oil supplies to india,

only a year ago. now they're the biggest supplier of crude oil to india, 20 percent, or something it is, is crazy. and now of course, how are you going to wrestle india away from russian? now they're getting closer and closer. it might be problematic to put a pushed indians against china because the interest of china in india alone has changed so much. now. i think yes, the u. s. restore had them on in europe, but they have growing multiplier than the rest of the rush, and that is the topic for another program. okay, we've run out of time. your fascinating discussion, gentlemen, i think my guess an awesome ended marrakech i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our t c. next time, remember, ah, ah ah,

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