on september 24th, iranian state television suggested at least 41 people have been killed in process for me. however, it runs government has not given an update. 40 days after her death, houses were taking process seem as her great site celebrations under 40 may of morning as a cultural significance for iranian they begun. saudi heard this then will be the graveyard of faces and woman life freedom. protestors their claim officers fire at least 5 rounds into the crowd dispensing to your gas. this led to a need through national movement, for example, process in germany, in france. mamie all over london, england. i'm on the streets up to on to canada. and in the united states, during the marine corps marathon in washington, d. c. people began protesting that death. i'm police reaction to massa. i mean is

there. now there's a turban gain going to run. iran were school age. children are taking videos of themselves wrong in iran. nothing turbans of main industry as a way to protest. i mean this, this one human rights group in iran has estimated 185 people have been killed in iran during the protest. joining us now for more on this is professor at the university, ron mohammed muradi, welcome, dr. mirandi, your doctor in your view, were the protest in iran concerning the tragic death of a young woman entirely artificial? or do they hit on some discontent within iranian society? apart from western attempts to stoke regime change, we have to remember that the united states hasn't, has been imposing maximum pressure sanctions on ordinary iranians for years. and

they've been doing this to create misery and suffering so that people rise up in desperation. an excuse has been, the iranian is one of the program and the united states in your is have constantly been saying that there is an imminent threat because of iran's nuclear program. but the last few months, the negotiations have stopped and no one in the west is screaming or yelling about the dangers of iranian the running nuclear program. what does that tell you? it means that their priorities that shifted there really wasn't a threat. they were trying to focus on iran, put pressure on iran, but now they've craned china, so their focus is elsewhere. so they were lying all along. but in any case, the peaceful nuclear program and the run wasn't excuse to put crush on it because the united states dislikes the son of iran because it's independent. now in the case of this young woman who died,

the important thing is that when use came out and she passed, it was western persian languish, media based in london. and in the united states that spread the news that she was pattern and tortured to death. and even i thought that there must have been some sort of police brutality involved that she died because they were screaming and yelling about it, day and night. then the footage comes out and it shows her leaving a police fan. she's not hancock, she does shows no sign of pain. she goes into a hall, sit there after a while, talks to someone, and then suddenly collapses. there is no sign of any injury. she's not holding her head or anything like that. then there's the autopsy and 19 very senior physicians

check all her documents, they checked the body and they say that she was never physically harmed. you know, it's really interesting because the parallels between what you just described as the timeline of events in iraq almost mimic the event time mind of the george floored situation, which happened here in the usa. what was the iranian people actually told about the racial protest in the united states, and by what main media outlet. the news in iran was largely, i think, influenced by, ironically by c n n. and probably the new york times more than anyone else. and this is one of the unfortunate things in general, the global south has to really view it. and that is that a lot of our information, not only about the west, but about other parts of the global sound, comes from mainstream western sources. and of course therefore,

our understanding of, let's say brazil my understanding and chevron of brazil, when it's influenced by western narratives. then it's based upon an understanding that the, that western needs want to lee you believed whether it's objective or not. so whether it's us internal politics, i think disproportionately american media, mainstream america, media, influential in iran. and even when it's not the united states, when it's other parts of the global south western media, an influence that is, is proportionate. you know, i have learned that wherever there is a fire, a small spark or smoke has to exist in the beginning. therefore, what do you think is the average iranian woman's view of the public morality loss? that's a very difficult question to answer because the wrong kind of population of roughly

85000000 without a doubt there 40000000 points of view among iranian women and another 40 some years. while i'm writing menace, according to polls that are regularly count, carried out in iran by western institutions and run in institutions. overwhelmingly iranian women believe in the job because there are muslim, smaller majority believe that there must be some sort of dress code for public when how tim will enforce it. and how far it should go is something that is debated. and then there is a minority, and i don't recall how large that minority is. that believes that there shouldn't be any real strict enforcement of at their desk. but again,

that is subjective what, what is meant. but the point that is important is that you run is in iran the use towards women. and the notion of commodification and objectification here are different and the believe not that having a more conservative dress code in iran is to control women. but that it is to prevent them from being objectified and commodified. now someone may severely disagree with that perspective. but the point is that the fact is that women in iran or taxi drivers, their bus drivers. pilots, helicopter pilots,

their university professors, the empties and parliament. one of my colleagues at the sister university of ron university of ron medical sciences for medical sciences. she was the minister of health under for 4 years if i'm not mistaken. administrative health is the 2nd largest government ministry in the country. probably the most complex because it has medical education university professor students and has health care. it has the hospital network across the country under warranty. so it's a big complex and complicated ministry. it was a woman. so the idea that somehow in iran, let me know my kids, so the radio or taken on or somewhere else is it is, is complete. nonsense. is iran some utopia for women? no, there are no, you only knew tokyo's for men or the run is not the abnormal horrific

society that the americans, american government and american needs or european at least was mike or the people to think. so how fair is it to compare the past history of iran all to the present under the shop? there was virtually no freedom and it was the shores of control and his family. and he had very negative news towards women. yes, a very famous interview where he's actually sitting beside his 3rd wife and dismissing women, i think, with a famous american interviewer, women a woman interview. i don't remember the name, i think from one of the 3 major news channels back, sen, cbs, nbc, abc, easy to look it up and back then the majority of iranian women actually didn't even

go to school after the revolution. we had the reversal education both for women and right now the majority of university students in iran are women. and in my, i work in 2 different departments. the last 2 people hire in the american space department. but i work or women. i think the last personally hired in the english department, which i also worked at. i think so, but in any case we have with professors we had, as i said, dina, i called the woman and the status of women in iran in society is far higher than what it was during the shop by any measure. but women dress more conservatively,

some of them probably don't want definitely don't want to dress in such way in the public sphere. many accepted, but the regulations are not strictly enforced at all. you see women in the north run for a long time, especially in north carolina. don't worry headstart, but they still wear long child trousers and they're usually more covered european societies. but it is not at all what the image is not at all like what you would think of if you were reading the new york times the washington post or the why she's fast saying conversation. thank you so much, dr. miranda for joining us all the way from tehran? ah! now after the break, we're going to give you another view of the iranian protests,

and what the end result could be. stay tuned for more, huh. ah! with ah, the west, ah, in convincing much of the rest of the world on that particular point around your krager and, and russia's actions in ukraine. i think one of the problems to the west is the rest of the world looks at this and says, why are you applying one standard in this conflict? and you're ignoring those standards in other places. palestine is very high up

there on the list, old examples, old way you do not apply the same stand ah, we're discussing is the recent iranian protest. georgia is now for more on this topic is e, michael jones. he's a widely published author and communicator on a social, political, and religious topics. welcome, dr. jones. thank you for joining us. thank you for having me. so let's talk about the protests that are happening at this present moment. why are they happening? okay, now 1st of all, you've got a situation that has been festering for a long time, which is the crisis over the, his job in 2009 the see i got involved in a ran and tried to overthrow the government by using women as their main proxy

warriors, that situation hasn't changed, the situation didn't get resolved, then the revolution got squelch, it got put down. but the resentment in charl resentments are still there and they go back all the way to the of the and or the death of the ayatollah khomeini. in 1989, this is 10 years after the revolution, the revolution effectively ended at that point. but with his death. but the new supreme leader desire to continue it, which was bad enough. but then he made a really bad decision by introducing birth control into the population of iran. he did this because the birth rate at that point, after the revolution was 78 children, he felt that they couldn't sustain that population. so here to do the birth control and brought about the biggest drop in fertility history in birth control history.

wow. this led to a, basically a demographic collapse. and it also led to the disruption that we're seeing right now. the supreme leader. apologize for this in 2010, said it was the biggest mistake he had ever made and he begged a law for forgiveness. but at this point the genie was out of the bottle and you were created. he, he had created basic is the revolutionary situation that we have right now was interesting that you give the history to this is, you know, obviously president abide and under the west was also vice president brock obama. he tried this during the administration now they're trying it again. i do have to one of those. there was always this idea that the west the got along with the ryan garret with the iranian nuclear deal that came out of the roman ministration. obviously, president trump's administration tore that to pieces that it was out the window. it makes you wonder, does the bite administration actually like this regime? that's an office right now. and if they don't,

who do they think would replace it if they are successful and over throwing? i was a weed, this is the, the playbook began in iran in 1953 the playbook meeting, the c, i age plan for overthrowing governments throughout the world. it came to be known as color revolution. that's what it was in 2000 i but in 1953 the united states over through the most or dag administration and put the shy and into place. so the shaw rained for about 29 years. he brought about a policy, a westernization, that created repugnance among the islamic population, and then the ayatollah came, came in and replaced it with an islamic republic. so the problem here is that iran is a constant pendulum swing between westernization as and where they bring in the shaw to islamic reaction, which is when the ayatollah shows up. so given that history, obviously,

the next example was going to be bad. the pendulum will swing back to westernization, and this is what the cia is counting on and they're, they think it's going, they think it's going to work. well, it's interesting because all on top of this is the environment of iran being when them a sanctioned countries and the world did, they've been doing that to kind of trap the pressure on the people on the government. you feel the sanctions effect, the leadership, or the common people more at this stage after so many years of be in existence. they always affect the common people more than than the leadership. but the, the untold story about sanctions is that they are another word for tariffs and terrace. as the united states found out after lay separated from england can be used to protect project manufacturing. so to sanctions, before the iranian people were in many ways, a blessing in disguise because they promoted the, the rise of a into industrialization of iran rather than simply living from mel oil revenues.

was interesting because now you bring it to where we are in the present. once again, this is straight out of paper from 2009 using women's rights i say using which there still might be a justification for it to kind of garner this unrest. so what are the main goals of this current protest? what are they hoping to accomplish? this protest went from simply being a protest against a they had job. in other words, let's up, let's make their wearing the, his job voluntary. that's how it started out and then it escalated into basically an attempt to overthrow the government. that's what it is. now they are saying that the islamic republic has to go. we can no longer have in his lomberg republic. that is, i think, part of the contribution that the c i is making here here behind the scenes was the, was the protest get big. they reach a certain point that the, the cia and these people, they're going to go for the whole thing. they're going to overthrow the government

that has called wars the draconian reaction on the part of the government they per, they correctly perceive it as an attempt to overthrow the government. and now they're just coming, attacking the people gunning the people down in the streets in a way that is going to be counter productive. what i find to be interesting is their job as a part of the religious aspect of their faith, of the muslim play. some go with a somewhat don't, it's not necessarily a government mandate is in a government that just says you, you have to wear and you down to. so they're taking a religious issue and using it to try to cause changes in the government. can that actually happen? though with how the current government is in the leadership control, are they going to have give any on this issue? they cannot. they cannot because it's been weaponized into an attack on the government. so the government is backed into a corner and out they cannot back down or they have job issue it because it's an existential issue. right now it's not just closing,

it's an existential issue about the future of the islamic republic. so my feeling is that at a moment of crisis like this, the only solution is for the ayatollah that for the supreme leader to abdicate, it's got to be something that radical. i think that they should bring president oc medina. job back into power. he's a strong leader, he's a persian nationalist. he resonates with the entire spectrum of persian to islamic . and he should come in and say, ok, the revolution is over. it should have ended and a died. it's over now. we're going to have a new constitution. we're going to have a new republic, but we are going to save the persian people from this cia attack that is absolutely non negotiable. we will not allow the cia to take over our government and destroy our culture, which is what their intent is. we're going to take control of our own destiny and we're going to do a step by step away into a new republic,

a new era which will not be as lama republic. and so did he keep mentioning, obviously this is from the outside the see i what i felt 5 for as do you think the women that are in the streets and we are seeing obviously some clashes that are happening, some of them not ending so well that it's their grass roots, do they, do you think that these women realize that they potentially could be just basically being tools for a bigger picture that has nothing to do with women's rights? the place of women in iranian society? yes, it was look work. well, if you're talking about the women who are taking off the her job, that's only one segment of the population. there is a large segment of the population who are still wearing the job there approached. i think that doesn't make the news over here. ok there, protesting, i think from my conversations with the rainy, as i know, they want to preserve the independence of iran. they don't want it, they're, they're unhappy with both sides. they understand that they're being faced with

a choice of either anarchy or tyranny. and they're both bad choices. i have a friend who just told me says there's a saying and varsity now i hope it's not too crude for. i have to tell it what it is, but it says i've got a saw my ass and it hurts. going in and it's curts coming out that's, that's the dilemma that these people are faced with right now. they're constantly being confronted by 2 equally repugnant alternatives. and they're having difficulty finding the mean, the middle ground that would allow the unification of the country. well, it's very interesting on that side of it and, and ultimately it, this isn't going to be anything that in any time soon, you know, i, i just have to, you know, one last question before we go and my produce was wonderful. she's kind of commenting on your interviews, you're giving it a, do you think that in the end, the turbans right now have been the new way for the men to be able to actually act out for the men to kind of get involved in this. and you've got kids doing it,

but they're, you know, like i said, it is all ages, teenagers, kids, all of them. do you think that's going to have an effect with of this idea of now knocking off people's turbans at the religious sector as they're walking down the street just out in public? that's an expansion. that's an escalation of the revolutionary movement. it shows that the, the contempt that they have for the leadership, it shows also that there's contempt for the religious authority. there were local religious authority. the religious leaders have overplay their hand. ok, they've gotten to involved in the political process. the classic example was when they prohibited oct medina job for running for president. they never should have done that. he is a man of the people he might have solve this problem before it got started. so that turbo, again, it's exact. you're right. it's exactly the same thing as taking off the job, but it's a much more aggressive gesture, obviously because you're knocking it off of someone else's head. and it's only

going to harden the islamic side, the, the mowers are going to become now even more determined to resist. when what should happen is that beauchamp should now take a deep breath and come together. and let's have a conversation about the future of iran, where everyone can take part. yeah, thank you so much for joining us. cafe. assure insight author, accommodate her. dr. e. michael jones. thank you. thank you from me times have changed for various demographics and many societies. and those changes don't often come sadly without chaos and deceive. however, you're naive if you don't think the geo politics of the west are not playing a role. as a timing of these protests happening. as do our lives are being drawn by the west is not just a coincidence. a different religions and cultures have their own ideologies. it is best when they are addressed within their own circles, as observations from the outside can often be deceiving. now while on the surface

there calls for peace, this will only be accomplished with either the religious regulations were made subjective or there was a regime change. both would have long term effects to a very established body and what happens next would be unpredictable. as a major changes either to the government or the religion would be guaranteed to follow. no protestors against the regime called the world to show how much it loves women and values freedom. the road is shown time and time again. their actions don't always match the conviction of their words and when it becomes inconvenient, or if the conflict no longer present opportunities, and at that time it usually does on the ground. so are left all alone. i'm sky now hughes and thank you for watching this addition of 360 view until next time. ah, i

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