for international terrorism on to the rochester people, our school caused the problems in nasa nod. i want to clarify here as well as informed international community, that the violence in last annoyed was perpetrated by the hands of international terrorists. the youth in those protesting unless annoyed, are not doing so because they hate or dislike somali randy people well rounded. they have been misled by international terrorists for the last 10 years, who have assassinated, 40 important somali on citizens, some of whom worked with the government. the terrorist killed those people because they had a strategy. anger, sewing animosity between the somalian government and the people of lawson. aud misleading the people saying their loved ones were killed by the government that only the government has prepared some. all the land for additional elders will go to their brothers in los an old while also from some, all the lands, but who of late seemed to have been misled. the traditional eldest bo go and talk to them and we have given those eldest

a man's age because somali lance is led by traditional elders who are the decision makers. so we are saying the eldest will go and sit with their counterparts because we want a peaceful resolution. and we request all lawson old brothers to receive the eldest . we are sandy to talk with them so that we can resolve any misunderstandings that exists when he, thanks for keeping his company here in archie international this evening. we'll be back in about 30 minutes with law. so he's got to do is identify the threats that we have a treat even foundation, let it be an arms race, his on offense, very dramatic and development only personally and getting to disease. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very katie killed time,

time to sit down and talk. oh, hello, i'm manila chan you are tuned. in the modus operandi this week, nato's expansionist dreams may have a rude awakening. after altercations outside of the turkish embassy and sweden are taken as hate speech. so is the 2 for one sweetheart deal between sweden and finland expired? we'll discuss. all right, let's get into the m l. the me . here was an early adopter of nato joining the block way back in 1952. within the alliance, the turks have the 2nd largest military only behind the united states. and as you can see here, their location is one of utmost importance, at,

at least as seen by the us, straddling europe and asia to its east and west russia. just a few hours north, the african continent, just a few hours south. it's no wonder turkey has leadership has had to play there geopolitical cards carefully for decades. and no surprise as to why when the nato block was formed by the us, that the americans wanted to keep this country within its orbit. turkey is inserted like and con. yeah. air bases have proven keyed some of nato's most recent operations across the region. but in recent months, following russia's military intervention in ukraine to new members sought to join the block, finland, and sweden, their accession would mark the 15th and 16th times. the alliance has expanded since the fall of the soviet union. but membership requires a unanimous vote by existing member states as

a now to stands in their way. so joining us to discuss why are key as refusing to go along with the program is geopolitical expert and editor at large at t r t world. mister use of aram. now 1st use of can you address for us president are the ones exchange with the swedish p, where he said, and quote, if you want nato accession, you have to extradite these terrorists. we gave them a list of $120.00 people without extra dieting. these terrorists, it won't happen. and quote, now the swedes have repeatedly said they won't turn over any one to turkey. or what does that mean then for their nato application? ok, well 1st of all, inside the memorandum of understanding that was signed that be my drink some it's last year. nato's important the gathering of all 30 member states. there was an

agreement between sweden ed to get that opened the door for the accession process to begin. now as part of that memorandum of understanding, part of it was speaking about extradition, that sweden will take a look at the extradition requests and according to their laws, and according to the evidence provided by to get extra, the necessary individuals that were at large to get now, the search president has requested the extradition of $120.00 individuals and it seems that sweden is saying that none of these individuals will be extradited out without giving it a fair look, without even sitting down in swedish courts. looking at the evidence provided by to get telling you that none of these individuals are going to be expedited, it definitely doesn't look like there's any due process being done, looking into the criminal activities of these individuals that is alleging that are

basically corresponds with the crime of terrorism, so the turkish president wants to see these individuals extradited their individuals that have broken search laws. the church justice system has provided the necessary evidence to sweden. and this is one of the red lines for it to give regarding sweden nieto at nieto accession. now, do all $120.00 of these individuals need to be extra dated well in the past and start to spread it. i said that if some of the conditions in the memorandum of understanding are met. but if sweden shows goodwill and sincerity in the accession process, he said that certain things could be overlooked. so i don't think that we should get hung up on the number 120. but i think we should look closely and observe the sincerity and the effort that sweetens putting into process these request. i think 0 out of 120. that's definitely not sincerity. that stuff is not going to win any

type of favor or understanding with on correct at all. so if it continues to go like this, there's already been tensions regarding the protests, up the p, k, k u. s e o, and designate their group and sweden. the kron burning was the icing on the cake. and if none of these terrorists are extradited, the ones that turkey is alleging our tires, if none of these are expedited to face, start is just the saw. i don't see any would shape way, shape or form house sweetens, going to become a member of nato. all right, so not too much good faith effort shown on their part. so previously the finish and the swedish have said they were to, for one offer, that one would not go to nato without the other. now that her tear has made their requirements clear to the swedes. where does this leave the fins? well, unfortunately, it seems like finland,

it's becoming collateral damage in the tensions between sweden and to get out about 2 to 2 months ago, i had an opportunity to interview the swedish prime minister. and i had actually asked him the question, do you feel a responsibility to family with your own countries, nato progress basically stalling or almost becoming stacked in. and it said that the same thing that it's a 2 for one deal that there's tremendous solidarity between both countries. in that day, i've had each other's backs for a very long time, but lazy. we're seeing the swedish needle session process up have a 0 to swim chance of success at least this year. and we have recently the finish foreign minister say that i've been that needs to consider the possibility that sweden might not be approved any time in the near future by to just so this was kind of

a signal that the finished foreign ministry might be entertaining. a solo nato session that now the day after that comment, the turkish turkish president said that i just sent a message regarding finland that sweden with the shock. now reading between the lines, this is basically saying that it would most likely be approving finland. bit that if it came solo to turkish parliament, the turkish foreign minister, the very next day, reiterated with the turkish presidents and said that it unjust that finland needs to wait for its own nato membership because of sweden not being able to meet the conditions required in the memorandum of understanding the day after that the finish for ministers, original comments about considering sweden not being able to become a native member. i kind of walk that back a little, but it also had a meeting with nato secretary general. yes, dalton, burt, i believe thursday or friday, or i believe later this week i should say,

i don't know the exact day that the finish and sweetest prime ministers are going to be meeting. so that's going to be an important meeting. and as we can see that there is, there is a lot of dialogue behind the scenes. and i think it's going to come to a point where the things really need to consider their own self interest, their own national security. and they're probably going to have to walk this road along because it doesn't look like sweden's, going to become a native member. and actually now many in the west are throwing around the idea of kicking turkey out of nato. so let's be clear about a couple of things here. there are only 14 articles in the nato charter. article 10 requires all sitting members to be unanimous in accession of a new member, article 13 states that only the member state can choose to exit the alliance. there is no article to boot a member but, but could this be

a double edged sword where they can add a new article to support expulsion of a member state? i mean, does president or one worry about this? first of all, the will argue made the whole narrative, the whole, say, take 2 out of nato. it's ridiculous, it's a logical, it completely goes against the understanding the essence of what nato is, is not a possibility. and i think seeing that there is no mechanism to kick, to get outside of nato. i think that's the simplest dancer i think there's much better answer. the better explain why it's not a possibility. now, 1st of all, we have to look at what nato is. nato is a security lines. more importantly, it's more about the governance of nato. nato is a consensus decision making. apparatus is governed by consensus decision making.

there is never a boat inside of nato because there's always consultations. consensus is reached and any nato resolution. any nato statement represents the collective will of all of members, unless everyone agrees, nato does not release a statement. that's why there's no voting inside nato. there's vito's inside nato. there needs to be a unanimous union and maybe inside of nato. but anything that you hear coming from a nato summit, anita meeting means that every single member has agreed upon every single word in that statement. now, let's say for example, a mechanism is created to kick a member outside of nato. first of all, a we at that mechanism, you would have to had nobody fetal, it, it would have to be a unanimous decision to create a mechanism to kick someone out. and then let's say that mechanism is created, let's say inside of that mechanism is a 2nd mechanism saying,

the country that is going to be kicked out doesn't get a vote. that would still require all 29 other states to unanimously agree. i'm taking that other member state out. so as you can see a, the probability, the possibility of all this happening is 0 to none. and if it does happen, the essence of nato being a consensus building. a consensus decision making alliance is defeated and nato ceases to be nato. it's now something different. one of the reasons why nato is so attractive as an alliance is that every member feels secure, that it's concerns regarding the decision in nato will become part of that collect the will. nobody can be overlooked when a statement is being made, nobody can be overlooked. when a decision is made being made, it's always unanimous. it's always collective. and that's the understanding. that's

the essence. so it makes nato nate out. that's why you can't get to the outside of data. that's why you can't kick another country outside of data. because everything always needs to be unanimous, that's why only someone can leave. because if someone wants sleep, that is their own free will to leave. and again, as i'm safe, there being no mechanism is only the simplest answer. i believe this is a much more deeper understanding that shows what the essence of nato is and how the whole understanding of even being able to check. so i want to even the process i'm trying to get someone out. is the most ante natal thing the most ante natal thought one can. one can come up with coming up next. pressure mounts on nato members to arm ukraine. will president or one cave into western pressure will have more with use of era when we return the m. o will be right back . i

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. welcome back to the m. o. i'm manila chan. now many in the west are calling to hear the spoiler in sweden and finland joining nato. meanwhile, many turks are lashing out at swedish protesters who burned a koran outside of their embassy labeling. this hate speech and use of aram is back with us. so use of. currently us, lead nato is under pressure to present a united front against moscow. there was a stalemate among e, you nations, of who would supply what to kiev. washington broke that deadlock when president biden announced the u. s. would give care of 31 of these m one abrams tanks. so as a result, germany said they would send some leopard to a 6 tanks. they approved poland request to send care of some of their stock of leopards as well. france so far has tabled the idea of standing. any main battle

tanks, dickie, they haven't ruled it out, but so far it sounds unlikely based on the conditions that they've laid out, the checks flat out. no. where does her kid stand on that can you foresee, or the one caving into western pressure to further arm? well, when we look at turkish foreign policy in turkey's policy towards both russia and ukraine since february 24th thirty's main policy is to continue the relationship as it was before the war ever started to get was supplying drones to ukraine before the war started. is continuing to supply drones during the war 2 years in doing business with russia before the war started. as for hundreds is continuing its projects such as the nuclear power plant in aquila and several other partnerships engagements. and it's continuing them while awards,

while the worst can ongoing. so as, as i said, it's continuing business as if there is no war is bilateral relationships with each country now supplying a tank supply of fighter jet. can you create the feats that understanding that? that's a, that's something that it was not supplying to ukraine before the war started. so that would, that would change the balance, i think change understanding and change to his position towards each of the actors i think, to kill, to continue the sell drones. but i don't think that it would supply tanks. i don't think they would supply f sixteens. i don't think that would supply f boys or any other fighter jets. and it's because this is not a military sale or not a military dialogue that it had with ukraine before the war started. it would show that this was done out of necessity of the war in that it is now taking

a position. now breaking the balance that is in holding. so i think that position is something that the turkish present greatly values. i think that he has seen much benefit whether it be the black sea green initiative being broken because of that position. the prisoner swap being broken, the lateral between who labor lab, rob, and show we show the non and most likely future meetings that we're going to see as well. so i highly doubt that it will change its position on the type of weapons that it has supplied ukraine. i don't think that we'll see any made battle tanks or fighter jets being supplied from the turkey side. now, recently, there were protests outside of the turkish embassy and sweden. we saw a controversial burning of the koran. there some even burned effigies of president earth one. what is the sentiment that group is trying to project here? is that one that's anti turk? is it anti muslim? is it just anger over nato?

i mean, how did you read these protests? first of all, i think what's being expressed very simply as hate. we're seeing a perfect storm up anti church kit and turkish positions. turco phobia zen oppo. b islamic phobia. these are all obstacles against nato. i. i always tell my swedish counterparts that church is not the one placing an obstacle in front of nato. its the p g, a protest that are placing the obstacle in front of nato for swedish succession. and at the end of the day, what we hear, the argument coming back is, this is freedom of expression. while, when we look at freedom of expression, i think the best way miss has is to say, what is being express, what's being express when you're burning across what's being expressed, besides intolerance and hey, there are swedish laws, i believe it's chapter 16,

article 8. if you have time google it, it's very complex and it took me very long time to sit down and understand. sweden's understanding of freedom of expression is very, very, actually actually very different than the american understanding. i see the american understanding of freedom of expression as much more logical, more implementable, more understanding towards minorities, especially religious or regarding race. but i see many times sweet saying why it's freedom of expression. there's nothing we can do about. of course, there's something you can do about it if someone's burning a holy book, and that is appending to 1000000000 people across the when we're talking about 25 percent the global population. i think there's something i think there's some freedoms that some people can do without, and i think that's far from expressing anything of value it's expressing hey, this is how the turks understand it. there is most recent polls show

a 92 percent negative sentiment. now towards sweden, nato accession bid. i think that's a tremendous, overwhelming amount of the turkish population showing a negative sentiment towards sweden succession. but this is quite unprecedented because normally we would never see this many everyday turks care about another countries natal accession bit. but at the end of the day, 92 percent, that's an astounding number. turkish parliament to not ratify something that 92 percent of the public does not want. the turkish president cannot push something through parliament that 92 percent of his public does not want to get a democracy. 92 percent of people, they don't want it in any democracy that will not pass that will not pass and that will not pass in sweden that will not pass in any natal member country. so i don't know why people are trying, expecting turkey to be able to push this through. for the record, sweden has previously punish someone for miss gendering

a trans person online calling that hate speech. so by comparison, it's hard not to agree that the koran burning isn't also a form of hate. how about examining the u. s. trickier relationship? a few years back, we saw them scuffles outside of the turkish embassy right here in washington. d. c . turkey has requested that the u. s. extra for tele glen. the u. s. has refused. we saw tensions or over turkey or buying russian made s 400 air defense systems or in syria where the u. s. was backing the y p g, which is the syrian arm of the p k. k, which turkey has designated a terror organization. there seems to be some fundamental differences between this coupling. where do you see this relationship going in the next few years? right now, i think the relationships going to be on hold for a little while and when i mean not old is it seems that divided administration is

waiting for church selections to be completed until at any series diplomacy is going to be undertaken. and the sad part is after turkish elections, whoever is in government, whoever's in power will probably wait for the us elections to finish before they undertake some series diplomacy as well. so we're probably going to lose a year with both countries waiting and seeing who's going to be in power. come 20242023 in 2024. so we're going to lose a little time. but right now, the major issues as sixteen's 2 has been waiting a very long time for a sale that should normally be a formality between the united states in any major nato member country. we're seeing a lot of pressure inside congress holding up this deal. frankly, i don't think it's a do or die sale for to get if turkey doesn't get the 16th is probably a blessing in disguise. i think there's very good other options that you could look

at. i think that she should begin looking at europe either type talking more to the brits. there's a couple other options down on the market as well. she is also developing its own fighter aircraft that's going to be ready towards the end of this decade. so it's going to need to stop gas for it's aging air lead now to is made some modernization kits for at 16, so it can modernize some of its up aging fleet. so it's not the end of the world if it happen is great. if it doesn't happen, it's just another nail in the copy of the u. s. relationship. it's the relationship that wants to save. i think the united states see the value in the relationship still regardless. but these flash points, they're just getting more frequent. they're getting bigger. and frankly, right now we, we need to see cooler heads prevail in the u. s. turkey fronts. i don't know how that's gonna happen. i don't know how these flash points are going to be solved because many of them are very engraved, ending american support for the white

e g really require a complete over all of the u. s. engagement in syria, which is so late in the game. i don't know how they're going to do it. they just fell into a complete y p g swap right now i don't even think the americans know their strategy right now in syria. i think if you ask 10 american officials about what their and game is and sir, i think you'd probably get 10 different answers because they don't know to jazz. are very specific and, and game in syria. it's creating a 30 mile, but pursuing their 25 mile a person that has a very specific strategy on what it wants to do in the region as well. but again, is america shifting to the pacific? is it going to continue the same level of engagement in the middle east? we're seeing different statements, different actions. we're seeing a lot of double standards against church. again, as long as narratives are prevailing in congress without some type of strategic direction. regarding chic. yeah,

i don't think the relationships going to get better anytime soon. use of errol. appreciate your time and analysis. thank you so much for that. and that's going to do it for this week's episode. as modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy, i'm your host manila chan. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next week to figure out the ammo. ah oh, when i was shopping wrong, i just don't hold any world to shape out disdain because the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart,

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