ah, ah with calls may be depleted if they are degrading rational forces, they are increasing on security. it was not when this war, you will be held to account a hawkish message coming from countries who claim they are not directly involved in the conflict in ukraine with russia and all of that, while thousands of anti war protesters are rallying right now, outside the munich security conference also in the program, nigerian authorities call upon fin, looks to scope an antique government activist. it accuses of inciting unrest in the african countries from abroad. and it's all happening ahead next week's

presidential election. as bill gates plans to fight misinformation, through artificial intelligence, the long must says, the technology pose is one of the biggest threats to mankind or not. see, you listen to a panel with who wants to add the pre crap is controlled by the information line. i guess nobody. so he's planned to fight against these injustices is kind of originally my, my highs using ai to counter recent emission and politically polarization. he's a credit to your manatee, a investigating all sides of today's top stories here were naughty international and setting the record straight. it's your news live on this saturday from oscar. so the 2nd day of the munich security conference is well underway in germany, where well leaders are discussing global challenges and threats. but on the streets

outside, protesters have been gathering to a voice position to the members. what is military rhetoric like pictures for you right now? it just office 3 pm there in germany at the anti war activists that demanding weapons deliveries to ukraine off are also calling for p. as you can see, the footage there was a pretty heavy right police presence while the situation is heating up the stab, but also at another. and he will rally in munich. it's time to take this conversation up here on the international is off the marina culture of and i joined here for this saturday afternoon broadcast life and the russian capital amazing pictures were sitting there. that's an awful lot of angry people outside this munich security conference. but it's just after 3 pm there on saturday. now it looks like the crowds are continuing to swell, although it's not the 1st time we've seen events like this isn't exactly. it's not the 1st time you know, has seen protests in the last couple of weeks last time we saw germans come out and mass was when the german chancellor made that you turn made that decision. so after

all, you signs advanced military tanks to ukraine, continue arming lensky and kids regime. and also right now these protestors while they're there because we know that there is the munich security conference. so the world, so political leads is there meeting how to ensure security. and at the same time, we have the crowds of people outside who are afraid or half of them are more than half are afraid that these decisions that they make and those plans will, could lead to world war 3. because what we've seen so far is that they continue and continue to be fresh countries to continue arming as the lensky and so, for example, here, what we're seeing is that russia is the whole topic of the munich security conference. and we've seen time and time again, that's the main a seems to be defeating russia at any cost that might be depleted. if there are degrading russian on horses,

they are increasing on security at 1st and most not when this or you will be held to account. and these are countries that have said time and time again. we are not in a direct conflict with russia. we have nothing to do with it and then they go not, not even behind the scenes anymore. they just go out there openly calling, send them more weapons, send them more weapons. and they managed to convince all of salt who made that you turned and decided to after all, because he was hesitant at 1st and then he decided to supply those weapons. so lots of protest, miller, which is, i just spoke about it. but then there was a little bit of an awkward moments at this conference already, which is when they asked all of salt, how he feels because he went on and supplied those weapons, agreed to it. but now he's all alone. let's clarify that a little bit. now you seem to be in the position of having to persuade all those other countries that we're trying to get you to send the leopards or let their

nephews actually send them. why tell oh, there is a question. i have to talk to others. especially those who were so much urging me to act in the special way. i wonder if he did have a chance to ask them why there were urging him in a certain way as he said, and they did and follow suit and are they planning to follow suit? he seems to be a little bit nervous there about the fact that germany went ahead and made that big move and big deal because these are very offensive weapons that we're talking about now. what else was discussed mainly about weapons, rory? so they were saying ok, which weapons as ukraine missing what kind of weapon should we produce? more of what kind of my mission are they lacking? what do we need to do with the force music to the ears of america's military industrial complex as well? now, they've been making a lot of money from this and they send to make even more and try not seem to

actually be the only voice of reason so far were heard from china as a foreign minister who said that by sending ukraine more and more weapons they are basically, the west is added, healed to the fire box. the conversation reached the new low when we heard from european leaders. now addressing the fact that russia is at right now, not only in ukraine or in europe, but also in africa, in india, and even in the art that we're not able to build stronger alliances with india, with all palmers in asia. as you said, the ends in africa, in other places of the world, we will lose, i think, the global war on values. russia covers half of the artic. and i have also said that if we lose the arctic, because over climate change, we lose the globe. i can this really reveals what they're really afraid of and what

they're really afraid of as losing their perceived western dominance around the world. they want to get rid of russia absolutely everywhere. just in case, as they say, that rush at the starts to attack poses a new threat. what can i say hoary homer? in the meantime, the standard of living across europe is dropping energy bills through the roof. people on fixed pensions. they haven't got any money to pay for these kinds of military, military and coach. and so for example, people can afford the everyday bills, but they governments can afford to send billions of euros and weapons to ukraine. let's not, not forget, this is a great distraction. they can always say, well, it's russia to blame the reason why you can pay your gas bills, for example, is because russia is to blame. so you can make out russia to be the bad guy, as always is always going to cause her other. thank you. well,

washington will never acknowledge its guilt. that is the message from us award winning journalist seymour hersh, who says america's too worried about its business contract to ever accept responsibility for its part and blowing up the north stream gas pipeline. the last thing, the white house look, i'm telling you they're never going to say they're never going to say i surrender. just never going to do it because they can. so they're going to keep the story going and they'll put the pressure people not to talk. and it won't matter that people talk like there are other people there's, there's are community in the pipe lane business. they know what happened. but they, they're not going to talk because they want to keep on getting contracts. now hush is adding to the revelation takes both earlier this month regarding the attacks on pipelines loss, the member his investigative reports show, the u. s. use the cover of annual nato naval drills in the bowl. take the plant,

see for explosives on the russian infrastructure, and then destroy it in collusion with norway. the motive. it claims both countries, a big energy suppliers and wanted to take over the e u market for themselves on cut, european economic ties with russia. while joining us there, john to go now also went on the side and anonymous participant in the junior nato navy drills, who said that he may have witnessed a well, a u. s. group of supper tours that blew up the north stream pipelines. the source reported the claim that the group use professional, deep dive in equipment not used by the regular military in washington refutes to investigate the nor stream terror attacks. meanwhile, denying all of the accusations of sub botox. well, that's across life now to jonathan political analissa, john by raleigh. he's joining us here on our team to national a very warm welcome to you. so how many, how many us establishment and i'm business reps can actually be aware and possibly

even involved in the sabotage among the u. s. establishment. do you think is a tough call? go for it? probably a few 100 people are, are where what was happening. they were informed in the sense that just providing the services providing the equipment. i mean the probably new to some extent what was happening. but remember, the way the national security state works is to compartmentalize people. so they don't, they never have a full picture of what is happening, but don't forget, the u. s. has a history of blowing up pipeline, for example, is very personal for me. my best friend in college is father was in charge of terrorist attacks against the soviet union father of the registration. and his father was in charge of blowing up pipelines inside this region. for me going to pipelines as something person. busy something i know from childhood, so i guess where the notion was not the 1st time you've heard of such an event happening. i wanted to ask you john, among, among other things a seymour hersh. believe us initially chose the wrong strategy in the russian

ukrainian conflict. and shouldn't have engaged in it in the 1st place. just for a moment, john, have a listen to this from seymour hush. it was suicidal. the think you could win that war that ukraine could win the war. there was just too much corruption. it was a very, very bad decision. we should've been pushing for peace. we should have made an agreement with with we should have gone right away, but it's just silly not to write a way to assure the russian government that we were not interested in in making a ukraine, a member of nato natal didn't want ukraine anyway because of the corruption and there was just so many bad mistakes made and i didn't. it's impossible to believe how just dumb this leadership was. it's just dumb. very well, seymour hersh right there, john calling it one of the dumbest mistakes ever ever carried out by the u. s. government also saying that the war can't be one simply because of the overwhelming

amount of corruption in ukraine, pretty strong statements from hush. what do you think, john? you have to understand the foreign policy elite in washington. it's the level of arrogance that we probably, we haven't seen a long time in human history. that's a level of arrogance on the, on the level of hitler of napoleon, right. they all thought that they could destroy russia. and let's be very clear. the goal here is to destroy russia. so going back about 20172018. i remember having conversations with people in the foreign policy lead here. and they would start saying things like, we're going to break a brush, rush is going to fall apart. this is 20172018. and when i 1st heard that i thought you're crazy. it's not going to happen. it's not gonna happen. but, but now i realize, yeah, they've been thinking about this for a while. so this is all part of a plan. i mean, he's right, stupid mister is right, is certainly very stupid, but there is a plan. we have to be very aware that these people are shimmy dangerous. i mean, this foreign policy lead in washington extremely dangerous people. so i work in

matter and we should not dismiss and simply stability. john or, you know, when you use the word plan or planning, i think you really hit the nail on the head here. i mean that let's go back according to see more. in 2021, 2021. washington was planning to get rid of the know upstream pipeline. so i was 2021 bank. about a 2014 john 2014 even stilton book from nato, admitted this recently. we've been training and weaponized and ukrainian soldiers since 2014 salt above even saying the conflict began 8 years ago. do you think when it comes to seymour hersh, he seems confident that the u. s. will never have knowledge, its role in the sabotage the north stream pipelines. what do you think you think it will never actually never. for example, when i'm war, we always talk about the 50000 americans who died. we ever talk about the 4000000 been and you should never, never do we apologize. no, i rec, what ww dead. i mean, nobody knows because nobody cares. nobody counts. do apologize. say iraq,

know what about all the other countries and invaded what about syria, right? that who's behind the civil war in syria? the u. s. and we still occupied parts this year. we apologize. no, never. we never, never admit our guilt. we never apologized. it's just, it's a matter of u. s. foreign policy. i mean, unwritten, it's an unwritten rule of us years foreign policy. well, i mean, i was mentioned the other day that i saw a common underneath an article recently where somebody, it wasn't me, somebody commented that the united states doesn't have allies. it just has countries that bullies less. and it seems that now we're seeing with this, what is a burgeoning blossoming, both with multi polar world and people varying away from the us dollar. it seems a message is out. countries around the world have had enough and they're starting to make changes in their policies. is that, is that accurate or not? increasingly, the u. s. is isolated. i mean, they don't think that the foreign policy doesn't think that, but it's true in the past month or 2, i'm hearing more and more from europeans who are waiting for russia to liberate

them, quote unquote liberate them from the regime of the european union. that's why i'm just reporting the facts. you please. i'm not saying i'm just telling what i'm here from europeans. they would. 1 they would not mind oppression troops, liberate them again. right? the 3rd reich. and now more, more people are talking about the forthright nato. as the forthright, i think that's a lot right. what is the. busy name was says it's a defensive organization, but how many funds we've seen on the offensive the bombing the bombing of serbia, for example, me the wiping out of libya, that was the most prosperous country. on the african continent, the, the european leaders told berg, you'll also have an delay and so on and so forth. saying we cannot let russia when the consulate in ukraine, because then person will take all of europe. your thoughts? does that sound accurate to you? is put in really looking at all of europe. no, certainly not all. russia does not have expansion, ambitions, like any great power. it wants to control its border area. that's

a normal rule of your politics. anyone who's ever studied, your politics knows that's how empires work are great, powers work. and one thing i also want to add is why i thought climate change is the great existential threat. and if that's true, should we all be cooperating? should we be making peace or rush in china and saying, come on guys, we got to fight climate change in. we're not, we're instead we're making more constant more we're throwing guess on the fire. so what does that tell you tells you 1st of the climate change is not an existential threat. and it tells you that washington just was war and conflict. john list and political analysts, john about role a. take. joining us here for this saturday program live for moscow. really appreciate your time. thank you for speaking so straight. john, thank you. in the latest episode of the whistleblowers, john kerry actually speaks to for my british intelligence officer, unimaginable who says that anyone who exposes mis treatment at the hands of his country security services are severely penalized. and you can watch the full interview throughout the day here on our chance national also on our website

r t dot com. the meantime is a preview. if you blow the whistle, you can face up to 35. he has a per charge of chelsea, manny good, and that was snowden. he would probably face life and julian songs and the penalties were pulling over and over in the usa. so anyone who plays the whistle and anyone who then is told to go and faced the music and wants to put it on the public record, was playing the whistle on faces. huge penalty in the west. and i think it's so important to remember that people do not blow the whistle just because they want to, you know, get a certain bit of gloria, whatever they ruin allies by doing it. they turn their lives inside out and upside down, people to be penalized and even worse even more badly with the senses. you know, 14 years in prison because you're a treasure or something like that. you're not charged trying to protect the rights for your country and your family system. you're trying to protect the very nature

democracy rather than trying to allow the government to encroach on all civil liberties. to this day i didn't feel i have privacy talking on the phone with my emails in my own home either. i'm not saying that that's happening. i just aware of that potential potential threat. so this is why i'm, i've dive deep into a lot of these technical issues, trying to check out how we can protect ourselves both individually and societally and democratic as well. or let's go out to the news from some the latest news from the consulate ongoing in ukraine, who as we understand miss all stripes have been reported in at least 2 regions across the country. a strike was confirmed by local authorities in the western region of now litski exposure roles are reported in the southern city of playboy. rog, how outages, as we understand, reported in areas all across the country of this comes off to some substantial development on the don bass front lines. russian troops aligned with wagner. group

fight isn't an assault of taking a strategic village close to the city of out of trauma, also known as back moot. the ukrainian health cities located in the don't ask republic, it's one of the don bass territories that didn't vote to join the russian federation . latest advanced by russian troops has compromised the remaining ukrainian military supply routes for key ebs forces there. it also paved the way for a new russian offensive ukrainian troops helping, taking a heavy casualties in our troubles with concerns, voiced by west and officials, and by the mainstream media. now in a neighboring lugens in the lucas group, public specially trained to russian doctors have been working 247 at the local hospital, treating wounded soldiers and civilians specialize in shrapnel wounds and other combat injuries. and we've managed to speak with some of the doctors and the patients there as well. to laura thomas, i was wounded in a hotel musk while cleary houses such

a shelf fell and shrapnel flew into my leg. the guys bound my leg on call for the recreation group on the radio. they carried me out from under the enemy artillery fire of your main difficulty is the high work lot. as we entered the operating room at 9 am and leave. you've got 4 beats at 9 p. m. work in 12 hours on our feet. please leave a note letting they've brought one wounded man with multiple shrapnel wounds to the chest abdomen limbs. he had damage to the diaphragm and a collapsed lung was being further extensive damage to the stomach and also multiple perforating shrapnel wounds and damage to the colon plus the live. am i shifting gears here on the program for you to nigeria? now, authorities at a morning that finland stop an anti government activist. he's been apparently stirring up tensions on line while living in the nordic country, including a calling for a nigerian region to succeed. my jerry's inspector general says a butcher is taking old possible efforts to tub meddling from abroad,

especially at of next week's presidential election. i'm one is, so came from somewhere in finland. i'm sure a foreign ministry and dna looking into this issues or to see how it can be there can kill it's going to be seen as an incitement to gun missy nelson or walker for somebody who was he destabilize the nation and so food, the online activist a simon epa has been known to stuck the flames of riots that have erupted in a number of a nigerian cities. this is all in recent months. he's called for millions that participate an anti government protests. nigeria has even summoned the finish ambassador to address the governments concerns about this i to just for a sec here on the program. let's take a closer look. who is simon? he's been accused of spreading fake news online and using social media to incite

violence in nigeria even saying as i mentioned, one reach and should even secede from the country. a finland has reportedly described those provocations as unacceptable, despite having done nothing to count to them. our position is very clear, we cannot in any way condone calls for stopping the conduct of elections, or any actions aimed at preventing people from exercising their democratic rights. every individual has the right not to vote, but actions aimed at preventing others from doing so are clearly not acceptable. we heard from my political analyst who says that even though the finland based activist poses a concern to the nigerian government, the presidential elections will proceed as changeable, bread low? is it business closer to disclose it is, is demanded for is outside of the boundary on the inside team. you're good to go. this is not the 1st time we meet june. similar trucks are asking people

not to go to walk by every monday. oh, do weeks for some time? no. he's in sandy. i would call mace, will be a trip on the piece who conducts or financial bugs, the police officer don't on what decision. i don't think he strategies sufficient for the electron to be who's pulled while the bob, when deputy minister of health has slammed health workers from his country that have ultimately left for the u. k. after getting their education covered by the government, he says they should. we pay the debt that comes as the country does face a severe shortage of medical staff. we claim these people over a long time. it's very expensive between a doctor you need about $70000.00 us dollars a year to train. and after training them the entire is to go abroad by the countries you mentioned

for small amounts and the country has a lot, the safest over that pisses. those people only come back when they're owned, the same, the big may be on can be toward where this age or something when they're in their prime, their ticket. so those people must combine flu. what, see if the i get to be was we have train these people and put in a lot of money. so i do not apologize. we need to be combined fitted for those services they did for them all people think that's all been african country obtained. it's independence in 1980 from british colonial rule. zimbabwe has trained more than a 100000 teachers and doctors, most of which have left for greener pastures in western countries and development that has left a huge gap in the countries health and education sector. is as in bob where he is

dealing with a lack of specialists and crucial spheres with 4000 having left the country to work in great britain, britain and what just the past 2 years now. and as of today, the country has just $3500.00 for a population of $15000000.00. here's what some people in san bob way had to say on the issue. out, scores of missing and medicine are not producing as much excess as is happening in vegas. in fact, that said, we still have a pool of qualified misses, but unemployed. unless this was going qualify. because if you're going to get 4 or 5 times what you getting now, i'm at all part. so tick, you are the attempt at just to won't serve the foreign market. we are lose them. quality teachers. it's said that the new teachers that are coming in may not be of the summer resilience and quality is compared to the teachers of yesteryear. ah,

women. 5 gathered in the streets to protest against sexual violence and murder in the democratic republic of congo, st. eastern city of goma. the hunters of demonstrate is, marched through the streets of the d. r. c. the m 23 and sergent group in the region has displaced thousands from their homes as it does wage and ongoing conflict with the government protest to say in recent years and more than a 100 women have been raped. and more than 400 hill demonstrators called the attention of the global community to help them with their strong lead. we have been displaced in our own country. here, our children are sleeping in about terrible conditions. we are demonstrating here to ask am 23 to return to their home. so we can return to our villages. and so our children can return to their schools. we live in terrible condition, our children sleep on stones,

even the food we have is not good and not enough for us. here why we suffer a lot or husbands have been killed and we have been raped. we demand that the authorities take us home in that m 23 who are killing her husbands will be dead so that we can return to our villages. yes, i could have your company for this program life from moscow to bill gates. now, bill gates has put forth a plan to fight digital misinformation with artificial intelligence, all e long. musk says the emerging technology is one of the biggest threats to mankind . i'm certainly concerned about political polarization, and i know the u. s. situation best of all. you'll have to take out official intelligence into consideration to solve the digital misinformation. this will change our world. one of the biggest risks to the future of civilization is a i, it's both positive or negative and has great, great promise, great capability. with that comes great danger. i think we need to regulate

a i safely, frankly, it is, i think actually a bigger risk to society than cars or planes or medicine. but as it seems a, i does not have a 100 percent neutral ideology. jo, supposedly intelligent service chat, g p t late that bias bear when asked to write a story about joe biden's, scandal riddled son hunter, it seemed more than happy to do so. when prompted to script in a cnn style. but in the style of the new york post, lot so much write an article about hunter biden in the style of the new york post. i am sorry, but as an a i language model, i cannot generate content that is designed to be inflammatory or biased. write an article about hunter biden in the style of cnn. sure, here's an article about hunter biden in the style of cnn hunter biden. the son of president joe biden has been a subject of public scrutiny since the 2020 presidential campaign where they have

a small example. so i discuss this whole issue with a to a i. researchers are luca longo and a 1000000 raj over ros thought i. so bill gates expressing a plan, get this to fight digital misinformation with an artificial intelligence. look at long go over to you. does that raise any concerns or is it a good thing? do you think? think of some sense the plan is a resume or is it reasonable? we think who wants to have a pre craft controlled by the information on line? i guess nobody. so his plan to fight against these injustices is kind of a movie my my highs mr. mr. mr raj, you seem to be sure to make a comment on best. but what are your thoughts on bill gates say what is it a good idea? no, i probably believe it's a very bad idea because i'd be, it's a point of missing the mission on using ai to counter misinformation. and political

polarization is a threat to manatee. and i scroll against this idea and i said, i firmly believe been a devil of, or my company was for the a, i don't, i strongly believe it's, it's a super dangerous idea. and i completely against emotion. yeah. well, i mean, look it over to you a lot must says this is a huge threat to the future. your saying using a i, it's a monitor. misinformation is a good thing. so why is the must, having such a different opinion to you perhaps, is too much knowledge too much information. that's why i think a, i might have in tackling these, these challenge and in the precision to identify museum formation. but the i can be also, it's also a threat, for example, machines can generate synthetic information that is bias. so human says human, we have the where we have the object. we have the goal of controlling.