i basically want to make sure that certain buttons that are just too dangerous or regular civilian should be in the hands of those people who are and say, that's what i was just a star. ah, [000:00:00;00] ah, hello and welcome to cross top. were all things are considered? i'm peter labelle, one year ago. not one person could have predicted the course of the conflict in ukraine. but here we are. on this edition of the program, we reflect on the last 12 months. how, how's the conflict changed? russia,

ukraine. the west and indeed the world. ah, discussed these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, cross to dmitri bobbitt, she's a political analyst editor. it was me internet media project for a gentleman crossed up rolls. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i would appreciate it right, georgina, reflecting upon the last 12 months. it's a big endeavor for a program that is short as ours. um, i'll start out 1st. i think that, you know, the biggest thing that is, that i become aware of is just how anti russia the west is, because this is very little, have very little to do about ukraine. you have my, michael mcfall, you have timothy timothy schneider. you know, they let the mass drop, you know, this is about the break up of russia regime change the usual playbook that we've

seen over the last 30 years. and they're not even fighting it anymore. and that's going to have a very big impact on how this conflict is eventually resolved. your thoughts are very interesting, and it has been stunning. the hostility, outright hostility, in much of the western. whoa, whoa russia. because, you know, we, we would always known about a hostility and we'd known about this in the time of the 19th century and russian song. but it'll be soon by the call, will that, well, the only issue is communism is, are we, we, we, we know we love the russian people. absolutely. a russian culture for music, russian literature from painting. love it all. we just hate the communists. i mean, and you know, this terrible things of the communism,

another subjugated eastern europe and so on. it's only all that has just dropped away and you know, it becomes very hard to understand. what is it that you hate so much about russia? other than that, you somehow see them as the other, as a somehow they, you know, it's a, it's a culture and it's a civilization alien to you. and it is quite remarkable, the extent to which the racism is a perfectly sanction. as long as you're doing this about russia, as long as it's russia, that is to become them is to feel absolutely alien. i mean, whenever you pick up any media outlet, it's always something about russian spies, russian interference. and it could continue,

continue generation or facility toward everything. russia. yeah it's, it's almost kind of like a full key on the end of the end of history. these ones for once the russians are taken out, then you know, things the world will be a better, brighter place. it's not, it's like the grand solution, lima, your russian. we're talking about your country here. i mean, what, what does that? what's your major take away? because you know, that was mine also. i think about media. how that is a very controlled message like we've never seen before. we'll talk about that. your thoughts, my friend. i agree with george, you over russia. that other is very important. i would call it they could teacher and you know, the other, who helps you in this case, the west or construct your old. basically i geo identity. you know that the syllogism is very simple. he is back. i am not healed.

that means i'm right. and the fact that the russians look like the west, they like to say no rush, i know where it is. they look away to be it's, it makes it even more because i'm different. lot in the color of my skin color, my care. i'm different because of my family. you know, this is what they're doing in the distorted nation. just allow me to repeat the say, oak rogers look like you, but don't get to see and ask us. we will tell you how these people are different. so of course, this is rachel man, one of their most interesting elements or the strategy that has been our food in for the whole year. how the western out to liberalism. and that's, you know, kind of shift in these elements, east european mesh, the vital and power. the west is trying to pull

this ultra new service, you know, use him. the hatred of ukrainian nationalist was russia using the pedro old you can actually use the words russian. but let me quote one of your recent talks with gorge. i love the thought of gorge. great bowers remain great. bowers resize the because they're wise enough not to fight other great false because of that that's less than your glow. and that's, that undermines your mind. you can talk about the outcome of all of this. ok. it is not clear how are these clear that the west will get out of this week and, you know, the united states will be weaker than it was before the me know, you're at the me, you're absolutely right. but george, that's not what the narrative will be. i mean,

i think you and i have talked about this before. if the conflict were to be settled right now with the facts on the ground right now, it's a, it's a victory. they didn't make it to the english channel. we was, i mean that, that is that, that is a reflection of just how propagandized this entire endeavor has been. there is absolutely no descent. i mean, you can really think cancel culture will come after you with a vengeance. george? yes. and that's what i was thinking about. the program is just how spread the nato propaganda system is. have you ever, ever since 2008, every single nato meeting has come? you come to the conclusion that ukraine will be a member of nato. every single one of your grade will be a member of nato. and then what does a friend sergeant schultz say a last year just because of russia, so special military operations?

nobody seriously talking about new grade being a member of it. you said it, you said it every single year. you agree with george. and on top of that, after the 2014, my don qu, what did nato do? started turning ukraine into a garrison state with one purpose is to attack and quote, unquote liberate the don bass, which would weaken russia. ok, so you know, has nothing to do with it. exactly. and we have a meeting again, which is still going on with them unit security conference, and there is a stolen but once again, as he has on many occasions, we have been in ukraine since 2014 helping arming training ukrainians. well then, how can you go on say, i'm provoked to thank you, that's what you've been doing. you will be arming and ukrainians. walk to work,

go for essentially mount offensive and ending the war in the don't bass. if the one thing that this is not is a vote and they keep saying this, and it's like, again, you know, russia, russia is unjust. they though, has said themselves a long prison for president of france will not go for chance of germany or shrinking all the people who are in minutes and 20142015. they said we never took when seriously, basically there was, we were just buying time. you know, when we can mounted offensive and take a re take this on. but what was your line all easy? is you a line? and then you have a goal to say that this was unprovoked, this is an unjustified war. you know, given glad to george brought up the munich security conference. it's an annual event in 2007 vladimir putin basically put down russia's marker and has not moved away from it since. but isn't it interesting, georgia, they call it

a security conference, but they don't talk about security. because if they did, it would be indivisible, and that's again over the last 12 months. that the fact that the, the west is not to talk seriously about security also will have an impact on how this conflict is resolved. if they had changed track, it would impact the outcome in a different way. and i'm absolutely for talking about security and peace. the west doesn't talk about either as matter fact, they're against both demon. well, it certainly propaganda on for a sec, you know, can you talk about security when you have a gmc addressing the start of the conference with classical music. but you know, the bad crowd, you know, showing propaganda even just and the comparing himself, david and then saying that we're all deb, it's here and you know, mr. stomach, you are there. you know, i'm going america was a data. this is all stupid. you know,

it's not serious. the point about contracts is that you kind of tried to be subject to possible, you know, you take away emotions, what told you about security, but this form was all about and all very short leave, you know, provoke emotions from, from mr. phillips, so that's absolutely true. i mean with george, how can you quote them through both aggression? just look at the events that preceded the decision that would have been osman. on the 24th of february or the 17th, we're going to be evacuated. you know, because there are so that the barrage or apartment is so you know, there you graham force us our mass and all the boy that these was a real army. i mean, look at what happened during these months. there are still holding on hold, you know, they're, they're still bombarding us. this was

a powerful army which will, which will have destroyed the, during the, of the, in the metro, ours, you know, russian. i mean, you don't be able to spell, but even the russian army will be just, you know, 2 or 3 hours after the struggle. we have to also point out here, or reaffirm that this was a nato fortified ukrainian military. okay. with adviser, with enormous amounts of the munitions, obviously financing it intelligence. but george not to co ballinger in. i again, if these people and munich were serious, they would talk about security. when you talk about security, then that's the resolution. maybe every single party involved would not be happy with the outcome ultimately, but they all could live together and that should be the aim george. yes, exactly. i mean this really is a wall that should never have happened. i mean,

we have that year after year in which the russians you're putting them low grow, have continually warned that we have to resolve this problem. this means you have to apply pressure against your client to, to implement mence and our patience is not endless. i mean, they said this over and over again, and then in december, when the futures submitted those drop security, treat it back on the basis negotiations. obviously it will be the basis to end the conflict. jordan, mark my words, we're going to go full circle and seeing what is all happened in between time should have never happened. you're jen when i have to jump in here, we have to go to a heartbreaking after that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on some really stay with our team. ah, ah,

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one of the biggest changes we've seen last 12 month is the complete capture of yours by the americans with the atlanta, according to see more harris, the destruction of the north stream pipelines. and then we've also seen and very important that i don't think it has given an attraction and in western capital. and western media is the reaction of the global. so they're not on board for this western assault, collective western assault on russia. they're not on board, they're not interested in metaphor, just the opposite. rushes appealing to them out, reaching out to them. and trade is increasing. huge changes in trading patterns right now, and that's only going to continue even if the conflict were the end today. so the capture of europe and the reaction of the global. so demon just some figures, the export, so rational oil to india. jump 400 them last year, experts basically from here, right?

everybody basically from 0. yeah. well now it's a substantial amount crush. sell the same story with china. so these complex has changed the economics so you have to look right. but i think the capture or like i'm sure you're by the states that it's happened not so much. you cannot make it as a warrant. basically, just on the contrast, its former chairman was issued or, you know, the german diplomat, he said, and they need to go to figure megs in the fall it we only need a quote to stop russian troops. i don't you now get unit and the main mistake that we made during the wind. yes. and that was us. we underestimated russia's imperial ambitions. so basically, these man, i mean, he was responsible and was responsible mark my watch. wasn't them used to be much

he was responsible for the dialogue between kia and the rebel republics. he did a wonderful job. not a single meeting, not a single phone call to the place. and all this man has been trading the munich security conference. and now he's given the ice and merkle is it. on the re retreat, you know, she, she had needed that she actually was alliance in 1015. they didn't want a real piece. they wanted to give her a shank over 5. she is troops, software defeat, basically defeat them. so, the problem with europe is that it is losing economically, i'm in the russian brain. i make and human sacrifices. europe is the big rules or you can normal. and this is not me saying that this is mona, towards it all. the french at last gave a very, you know,

she got wrote and also thought said that there were 2 major surprises during the 1st, almost everyone expect the russian army to defeat the ukrainian army. quickly underestimate them are all american investment and british and in that ukraine on how much they, they had already. we agree before to 1003 to 2. and the 2nd surprise was the fact that you want me to sustain the vol. sanctions did not destroy russia mon stogie that it was the 2nd major surprise band and the big lose the euro because the price is jump. i mean, the european industry is becoming irrelevant because they pay so much for, for the production of their products. so basically, you know, increase there is a huge increase in american negatives. i mean, look after the world war 2,

the united states were ready to limit their ambitions to preserve western europe from started to preserve south korea from north korea from a devastating artillery strike. now the stage is basically that we don't care by our expensive gas. stay with our garage and gas, destroy your economy, you know, make a black hole out of russia. don't care. the same story with, with a far east, you know, fight china. we don't care about japan was by trying to south korea my been, if you know, george, how do you explain that? i mean, it is ideological, and again, you and i talk on a regular basis about a lead capture because i can't understand the logic, at least in a formal sense, is that it's all about ukraine sovereignty. when europe, over the last year is raced its own economic sovereignty almost completely. george . yes, it's very interesting. it is a complete,

illogical capture because there was once, not that long ago, a distinctively european outlook on international affairs, on a variety of issues. but in most particular, in relation to the soviet union, during the cold war, the europeans, different from the united states. yes. and one members of nato, but they said it doesn't make sense to us. and it's, it's gone and our national interest to pursue an aggressive policy toward the soviet union. we are, you know, germany said it doesn't, you know, it damages our relations with the east and france again, you know, we need to a specific european foreign policy. all that is done and it's a completely, it's just a quoting issue. i think russian in payroll ambition, walking payroll ambition. i mean the george star was talking about the other day also at the munich security conference. oh,

we must destroy the russian empire. what empire, what, what is he talking about? but now this is the, again, they get this from the united states. oh, russia has an empire. there is no russian empire. we know exactly the origins of this war. the whole regions of this war was nato expansion. and particularly, attempt to incorporate the ukraine into nature and russia center. this is, you know, that this affect our security adverse that we have to address this issue. but it says warming in the absolute nonsense. and then you think, where is the european of the european getting good faith? this is our partner. we share a continent with them. it makes sense for us to have good trading economic relations with as a continent and as we speak right now, there's been a muted reaction by ger, the german government, to the destruction of the north stream pipelines which was very important for its

economy. and you just have to look who benefits then, you know, who did it, and i strongly urge everyone to go to such that can read sign hirsch's article, which apparently is just a taste or a lot more apparently is going to come in, you know, your missed your, your mr. ideology on cross stock and we're always happy when you're here. but, you know, yeah, i think you're absolutely right. because a going back to the global. so it is kind of received in an ideological way and then rejecting it from the west. they're not interested in the west postmodernism, they're not interested in their go values. as a matter of fact, if we look at the history of the cold war, a lot of former colonies of the west, they actually were attracted to russia because they saw rushes, an anti imperialist force. they weren't particularly interested in the soviet union's communism. and then really didn't matter. now it actually is a hand in the glove. it is a concert rush is a conservative country. most of these countries these post colonial countries are very conservative as well. and it's a very, very good relationship. and they still see the west as

a colonial attempting to be maintained. it's colonial mastery over the rest of the world. so i mean the, this is one of the biggest changes we've had in the last few years that we used to talk about realignment. well, it's actually happening in real time demon. oh, in russia part of the narrative. if you listen to the people right to us, they say that maybe it's our disadvantage that were white or where you were appeals the west street south. but still if we were black or. ready you will orient, though, that makes things easier for them to step by. they can do it. but now if you write that, it's the other way around it because you're white, you should have to think of it, but you won't do it a hearing. i can only say, you know,

to say this movie conference, you know, when i heard the lead to a and say, very right or so think about russia. i remember how he's doing. he became independent in 1091 how he story became independent without one short while. and i remember the same human society. we were all very happy for that. i mean, the yeltsin was the 1st foreign leader to recognize the independence. both congress, the idea was let bygones be bygones will start to start and now we want to see our success. but of course, we didn't want to have the most aims. and the, basically, when the nato saddle, russia broke the reach the deal, you know, rush at that point. no, you bridge the deal, because when the soviet union collapsed, the deal was that these congress will not be course, that they will not be here. maybe they will not be great friends, but they will not be part of your brain was extreme or start, especially in the last 8 years. and there are countries of the global. so when they

look at it, when they, when they see how rational pro private property is, b. c. the west. how are russia is mistreated as a state co, russian athletes are subject to such a black athletes during a well, i mean, the, i think the lesson is learned is that, you know, the west wants to have control of all, you know, all telecommunications, all financing, and banking and all that, and then that the, the, the countries that go along with it, like russia did after the end of the cold war, you can suddenly become a really big victim of it. and i think that's a lot of country see that if you use your system against the russian, you can use it against us. ga. ok. yeah, that's right. and i think that just following up on the, it was precisely that was promised to the soviet union to go by jo in

1991. you don't have to worry about anything because when you know, once we kind of embrace them and particularly when we have a united germany within a so it will have, you won't have any problems because they will be on the late those control. and so you won't, they won't be out there. so if i, everything that has happened in recent years, kind of confirms stollins thought, hey, the moment they get independence, they go to join alliance against us. going to be waging a war against us. i mean, that's not what he was saying. it is hold on conferences as confirmed is doc for both. and in the long, long term here who was the one that made that great mistake? it was got a bunch of no other soviet leader would even come to play, doing something like that. and he believed him. and that is the original sin of all of this is believing these people that they had benign intentions. ok, me, i'm not worried about the germans. i'm worried about nato. when that was

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