flatly rejected because we have sort of pushed russia into this corner, ideologically attitude only to say, you're the adversary. you're the, we may not be in a formal bipolar ideological cold war anymore. but we're not going to allow a new relationship to develop the news. you know, there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us that life after have kind of stumbled our way through it. and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the time frame down. so there's less was less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years, before i left, i was struggling with do i want to leave? i like, pardon me, want to leave another part. it was been battle with us if i leave adolescence to fall back on, i have that deposit to do. i have nobody to go to. you know me because as i lived

around the last 7 years i have nothing. and sometimes it's hard if they've got a swastika tattooed on their neck. it's hard for them, but just to say, i don't do that anymore. it's kind of a long process. it's not like you just leave it one day and you're like, well, i'm glad that's over. i had been out of the movement before i got connected with these guys, but i was on my own and didn't talk about it and had a lot of buried shame and guilt. and then i met these guys and i saw, you know, frankly talking arnold talk, it helped me get past that barrier of feeling like i had to hide this from world that opening up has really just taken my, my viewing process and my allusion to a whole other level really, you've got to find a way to find an affirmation that every discussion, no matter how bad it feels, it is going. you've just got to be able to acknowledge like takes guts to do that. try to help them discover the abilities that they have. this is why we don't want to foster dependency. this is why the intervention can't rely on my car is more.

they go from being untrusting, hateful, spiteful, distant to begging for more interaction. another phone call. another meeting, you know, tell me poor and don't be surprised when they say that's the best conversation i've had in a long time. that is something that's very routine that comes out of people just want to be listened to. and we're trying to teach you how to listen to them. well, we hold a mirror up so the person can see their humanity reflected back at them through our eyes. but when we treat them as human beings treat them for the suffering person that they are. and they, on the receiving end of that, they get to see that, hey, there is, there is a human inside me. and that's the, i think, the incredible power of compassion. it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement, she heard my story did nothing to challenge it but validated the soon as i started talking about,

my mother tears came off. i just spilled my guts about everything she had done to me letting her brother raise me and my sister denying the rape half and making us go back around. how many times she she tried to kill me, broken bones, bruises the starvation, the sleep, deprivation and humiliation making me swallow my own. my brothers and sisters watching is turning my brother against me. keep my sister away from me like i had never had a chance to just unleash all that. and i probably went on like an hour of just the stuff she did to me. and he says, well, i want to ask another question. sorry. have you ever done this to anyone else? it just in that moment it was like, i mean, just like my mother me,

what really changed me was receiving compassion from the people that i least deserved from when i least deserved. people knew who i was, it was a small town, they knew what i was capable of and what i've been doing for years and they didn't attack me. they didn't break the windows of my star, then argue ideologically with me. they came in and they were empathetic towards me, and they treated me with compassion despite the horrible person that i was at the time. the body might offer me a job carrying in antique furniture at cherry hall, new jersey mall for a weekend, 3 days 100 bucks. a day and i told him,

i said i take the job. he is going to tell you, before you say yes, the guy who owns this company is do. and i so i don't care, i wanna talk to him, do i want to work 1st? 6 months, i still think it was in the nazi shift would fit every jewish stereotype religious wearing alligators and i don't bring them right. so anyway, i broke the marble top table and i was like keith, i'm so stupid. i'm so sorry. 7 bears for him. so i so embarrassed i did a rate for the customer, but he spot it off of very drove me home when i was waiting for him to fire me. so actually, you know, and i remember only not too much on that day, and i just kept my boots on a little seat of this trunk that you couldn't really put them any further than i

were. and i know my knees were hurting so bad because it's trying to hold them up there. so for the whole right own swastika looks at him every day because normally nazi and i just wanted to see my boots. i knew him boots man with a good for me. they dropped me off and they were full pay anything i pay. monday, i was told and i just can wait for 10 things off my feet. everyone back. i'm not scared. i don't want it and i'm done with it. i'm fluid if it was 2 parts to getting out of a violin extremist group, the 1st part is disengagement, which is where you leave the social group. you leave the behavior you leave, but you probably still have the ideology. you've been given this nice recipe for

how the world works and you take that away from somebody and then what do they have, right? they, they were looking for an analysis and you've taken away their analysis. so, you know, what's left drugs. i mean there all kinds of things that they can just sort of fall into. so you have to be very careful about it. and when you're bringing them out, you will alert them to the risks. this isn't going to be easy and they're going to be people that are angry that do this because they've lost someone, they've invested the time and energy and we do debriefing. you know, if you're going to be on the outside, we need to know everything you know about how it works on the inside cuz you're not going back in. so we're, since we're going to burn those help you burn those bridges. so you can't go back and take everything away that was associated with that world. we take away your white laces. we take away your nazi fly because it's too easy to go back into. the next part is d. radicalization where the belief systems in the audiology are removed or you can go to go get an anti metal from the cobra for a couple weeks. may get your rates at the same time, it's

a bit bigger. that's how they do it. we are like the anti venom man because we have, we had that many, i mean are we not as spirit? and we know how to also make it an anti mental and we had the answer. so i do believe the secret sauce is coming from a loving place. you can't hate this person and expect to communicate any of that. you can't judge this person and expect to calmer, that with empathy before you got out what was what was pushing you to want to get off. i wrote jackson, you know, before and after president, you know, most of my best friends, but it's like, ok in prison. you know, like, you know how you have to be. so you tend to be it. and after a while, before you realize it in a scary is you actually become that image. you were just trying to, i had myself every day for getting myself locked up. so when i looked at it, what made anybody else more special than me? so i have so far does, where does that shift come from?

how come in one you went from? not thinking about that to really saying i need to start making some changes is watch, see, watch much longer up. but it's hard. and every time watching the same level on the family because i can be out there, the brothers didn't like that when they found out because they could just let me know. and i left and it's been a big deal. said they, you know, try to kill me. why now? i get shot. go off the road and i'm, you know, i'm going to come to his. i got caught bikes, the brakes, and i remember slicing, child car design. i said yes, this is good. you need to is mad right across and then we inside school and open this up. i'm trying to get out and just to get on time

if there's one thing, then someone's talking to someone in that life who may not be aware that there's a way out. what would you say they go all the hagen that have ruins . you poisoned your very soul, man. i'm doing a lot of humans are since really during the summer, in 2016, we started to see a significant assistant increase in the number of incidents reported to our office . we saw between 20152016. the number of anti muslim hate groups tripled. tonight the f. b, i walking into whether have crime charges will be filed against an alleged white supremacists, accused of stabbing to good samaritans to death on a commuter train. in portland,

the guy who did that was someone who had been in the fringes of the all right movement. and he's up on their way. this country are great on their page. so that we hear that all the time go back to where you came from, and he just amped up that rhetoric that he wants to take his country back. and so that's that, that's the theme that runs through that. and we're not going to let people come into our country. it's troy. i saw this guy running for president doing the exact same thing and i couldn't believe that i was hearing it, but i knew that it would work. and that was the frightening thing. because i've seen it work on klan rally and stone mountain georgia. i saw that kind of rhetoric where people are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. what do we do about it? their culture. i don't want to know about their culture in your body. you could just go back to much, much because with

bucket of gasoline was kicked over and lit up. all those little sparks that already existed into a large forest fire. part of donald trump's huge appeal was that although he does not think in terms of race, the way i do, he at least thinks in terms of nation, he recognized that the united states is a nation with a particular people. and that not everybody belongs. this is a great relief to millions of people who have seen their nation transformed in the name of diverse with diversity that always comes at the expense of white spoke to some of the things that that angry white male wants to hear. we're going to put a wall on the border. we're going to make the mexicans pay forward. we're going to bring manufacturing jobs backs as a kind of populous message. white males combined with racism that was found to be very attractive and everyone's premises like that idea as well. there's not tens of

thousands this hundreds of thousands of them that have an intellectual curiosity in an understanding of national socialism that no skin had ever had. there was price you paid if you were public with your bigotry or anti semitic. it didn't serve you well in your career. your friends in your neighborhood really weren't excited to hang out with. your kids might be embarrassed of you. your parents would be really upsetting them and people learned that those attitudes were not going to be beneficial to their life. i think what we're concerned about now is that blanket and that we put over it is being pulled back. that is going to be really hard to put that back where it was at this hour. american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations, to disarm iraq, to free its people, and to defend the world from gray.

with food and medicines and supplies and fleet with november 22nd 2022 outraged orthodox christians confronted ukrainian security service officers looking entrances and exits the key of the oldest monastery. they were looking for a russian spies among the monks. we mean deal of seeming or formal reason for the brutal crime down one churches. parishioners said, song a song about ah,

it's wrong been reason enough to condemn any old adult christian attack in prison and even kill them? russia, what i mean, rush up on, you have to pick it up when you love store and when your store grow off like you and your store thought you used to stop a new phone. i used to ms. dog with ah, there was a state of emergency in florida, it's a white nationalist, was about to take stage 3. our day university of florida is bracing for potential violence today at a speech by white national leader,

richard spencer. who do the protesters gathering outside the sight of the mind to stay? but i will say that it will be all right. read the notion that they really were the way to find a stage. spencer, trying to speak to the noise for the chip. you wrote, you know, with

a, [000:00:00;00] with that stuff so you know how to check with these guy is guys gonna get killed that here. so my, i got, i got this guy cover this. hey people who say, oh love we hey, hey, hey, hey, low please. same people

with hate when i approach randy, you know, i came home, i don't want to talk to you, you know, understand you. he will cool. no problem the whole time. we couldn't really have a discussion because the camera, you know, you people, question. i don't get tell us what was it was go find more of a sudden, you know, i don't know if i'm talking to you like really and i guess our intimate setting was force known as we were both keep out. and so we encountered some police officers, they were treating randy how they would treat me on a regular day, you know, just are for what they perceive by his, our parents end up one arrest is. yeah. and i wanted to say right, this made you got beat on spin, are usually the sped on the back is it usually is mouth was, what is he doing wrong? why you haven't been, sit on a ground,

do this type of stuff. so we actually started walking and talking and we find out we have things in common, you know, ice and his views about certain bay. it was certain, i'm great on a boat. yeah. he was telling me he got involved with his teenage years in the air. you nation and asked him how a lot of my friends, the different people get involved in the blow to cripps in different games they join that was around you. so what i was around you and your friends may be involved with whatever happens. your mindset is going to be on that. so for me, i just saw the similarities of what my culture would deal with just in a little different way. there's no, there's nothing new up on it. a son. his was just a different route. they angry, white man, angry black man to different the angry black man is angry because he has no home. has no vision. yeah, no way to provide angry white people, especially a low income cause they have so many mental and role models that you can just turn on the tv and see success. i mean,

that would be deprived to have down at the bottom with black people and they've got a reason to be that, you know, i'm white. what am i know? it is a d, c that you'll see that anger and, and, you know, you know, no one year dr. dr. any, you know, better way to focus setting or that the nice people have different color, i guess a white man because he's angry because he doesn't really understand what question. and i know that he doesn't even say you got the way out for the blessed waiting to hear back. i mean, everybody. that's why it in america has benefited all give to me, answer that color or suppose they mr. mr. missouri and help me help me. i got somebody to understand that just massive what my culture as

a whole and look it differently just because of my individual encounter every week man, 23 times a week. that the lease due till time your phone calls, you know, our phone goldhill we thought was ours me. i mean when you think about what you've done just in the last month, the turnaround correction, the what you've abandoned and what you would opted. it's most people can't even lose 10 pounds, they want to lose much less make an entire mental, emotional lifestyle change to humanize, which allowing them to humanize like that. that's not rocket science but yeah, it's, it's evading. the majority of the country, right. there's a lot, i could, i could never look at anybody and eric eric umbrella who the nation. anybody who got

a lot of on the same lack of free and that was part of his narrative and changes his narrative's. not that we agree with anything that comes out of the far right. is that we don't ever forget that there are people inside of us people, but you know that there's a human being inside of this person, right. and if we just choose not to forget that you don't really see x not seeing blackman, you know, have a lot of dialogue as we do. but i mean, i can consider him a friend. i was glad that i could have that effect on randy to open his eyes up to see then you know something to see whatever may have been introduced to him or told him was proven to be a last day. me mad

a soul. but i think we often think about this and terms of the ways in which they are failing us. they are bad men, they are floating away from us. they are deviant. and i think we need to ask the other question. also, we need to ask the question and how we are failing them. what kind of ways can we keep them in the center? and part of my answer to that is we have to find ways to keep them validated as men . it's really amazing. when people feel more whole quickly and easily ideology of hate falls away and if you can reconnect them to the people that they thought they hated, helps know that i'm doing these when they realize that they're actually a part of the solution rather than contributing the problem the 1st time

i've ever felt accepted any shape or form from anybody is actually with my wife after have another p 5 med just recently. i feel as if it's degraded so i want everybody to know the human being here instead of like mission touches. but i have person to be able to have different cultures and different people here. it's really, it's good to be able to close this to be able to interact because it teaches me that, you know, we're, you know, all in this together. this is a part of our emotion. farmers are, are evolving into a powerful force and justice quality, a love, peace, compassion. we are operating as human beings from one of 2 places. fear or let me get to choose which one that is

still happening in the days following and happened. it was such a turn out and seen that a mortgage support for countering that narrative of white supremacy. it really flooded me with hope. i am proud that i can be a voice against what i used to stand for. i feel like i have something to bring to the team and run to bigger and better things while i'm still mindful of what i owe to society. but no one's better served by my shame at this point, including me. me i fart, karen and a, our casino,

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