not like you just leave it one day and you're like, oh god, that's over. i had been out of the movement before i got connected with these guys, but i was on my own and didn't talk about it and had a lot of buried shame and guilt. and then i met these guys and i saw, you know, friends talking arnold talking, it helped me get past that barrier of feeling like i had to hide this from world. that opening up has really just taken my, my viewing process and my allusion to a whole other level. really, you've got to find a way to find an affirmation that every discussion, no matter how bad it feels that it's going, you've just got to be able to acknowledge like takes guts to do that. trying to help them discover the abilities that they have. this is why we don't want to foster dependency. this is why the intervention can't rely on my christmas. they go from being untrusting hateful, spiteful, distant, to begging for more interaction another phone call. another meeting in a tell me. and don't be surprised when they say that's the best conversation i've

had a long time. that is something that's very routine that comes out. people just want to be listened to. and we're trying to teach you how to listen to them while we hold a mirror up. so the person can see their humanity reflected back at them through our eyes. and when we treat them as human beings treat them for the suffering person that they are. and they, on the receiving end of that, they get to see that, hey there's, there is a human insights. and lastly, i think the incredible power of compassion, it was very impactful. when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement, she heard my story did nothing to challenge it but validated the soon as i started talking about, my mother tears came off. i just spilled my guts about everything she had done to me. letting her brother raised me and my sister denied the rape happened making the school back around. how many times she she tried to kill me, broken bones,

bruises the starvation, the sleep deprivation, the humiliation making me swallow my on my brothers and sisters watching is turning my brother against me. keep my sister away from me like i had never had a chance to just unleash solid. and i probably went on like an hour of just the stuff she did to me. and he says, well, i want to ask another question. sorry. have you ever done this to anyone else? it just in that moment it was like, i'm just like my mother the me what really changed me was receiving compassion from the people that i least deserved of from

when i least as urban people knew who i was, it was a small town. they knew what i was capable of and what i'd been doing for years and they didn't attack me. they didn't break the windows of my star, then argue ideologically with me. they came in and they were empathetic towards me . and they treated me with compassion, despite the horrible person that i was at the time the body mine offer me a job, turn in and can take furniture at cherry hall in jersey mall for a week and 3 days 100 bucks a day. and i told him, i said i'd take the job. he was going to tell you, before you say yes, the guy who owns this company is due. and i said, i don't care and i've talked to him, do i want to work for 6 months? i still think it was in the nazi shift would fit every jewish stereotype religious

wearing alligators. i don't bring them right or you know say where i broke the marble top table and i was a kid. i'm so stupid. i'm so sorry. 7 bowers frame. me so i so embarrassed i did a rate for the customer, but he just bought it off of very drove me home. i was waiting for him to fire me. so actually, you know, and i remember him when not too much on that day. and i've kept my boots on a little seat of his trunk that you couldn't really put him any further than i were . and my knees were hurting so bad because it's trying to hold him up there. so for the whole ride home swastikas looks at him every day because normally you're nazi and i just wanted to see my boots with him boots and what they did for me. they

dropped me off and they were full pay. take anything i pay monday. and i was told and i just can wait for 10 things on my feet. everyone back. i'm not scared. i wanted him. i'm done with it. i'm fluid. it was 2 parts to getting out of a violent extremist group. the 1st part is disengagement, which is where you leave the social group. you leave the behavior you leave, but you probably still have the ideology. you've been given this nice recipe for how the world works and you take that away from somebody and then what do they have, right? they, they were looking for an analysis and you've taken away their analysis. so, you know, what's left drugs, i mean there all kinds of things that they can just sort of fall into. so you have to be very careful about it. and when you're bringing them out,

you will learn them to the risks. this isn't going to be easy and they're going to be people are angry that do this because they've lost someone. they've been better time and energy and we do debriefing. you're going to, if you're going to be on the outside, we need to know everything you know about how it works on the inside, cuz you're not going back in. so we're, since we're going to burn those help you burn those bridges. so you can't go back and take everything away that was associated with that world. we take away your white laces. we take away your nazi fly because it's too easy to go back into. the next part is d. radicalization where the belief systems in the ideology are removed or you can't go to go get an anti mental from cobra for a couple years. may get the rates at the same time. it's a bit big. that's how they do it. we're at the anti vent on the heat, you know, because we have, we had that many in our so we not spew it and we know how to also make it in the empty mental and we had the answer. so i do believe the secret sauce is coming from

a loving place. you can't hate this person and expect to communicate any of that. you can't judge this person and expect to calmer, that with empathy before you got out what was what was pushing you to want to get out. i wrote jackson, you know, before and after prison or you know, most of my best friends, but it's like, ok in prison. you know, like, you know, you have to be so you can be it. and after a while, before you realize that it's scary, is you actually become that image. you were just trying to, i had myself every day for getting myself locked up. so when i looked at it, what made anybody else more special than others? where did that shift come from? how come you? you went from not thinking about that to really saying, i need to start making some changes in the see what my son grew up and visit by heart wrenching every time watching the family you know, saying live on the,

on the family because i can be out there, the brothers didn't like that when they found out because it just left me a little bit of a deal, said they you know, try to kill while i get off the road. and you know, i'm going to come to his car breaks the brakes. and i remember slicing the child's car, right. like i said, yes, good. you need to is mad right across. and then we inside moscow and open this up. i'm trying to get out and just to get on time if there was one thing, then someone stuck and someone in that life who may not be aware that there is a way out just saying they go all the have that have ruins

. you poisoned your very soul man. i lived in the fulton a lot of human since really, during the summer, in 2016, we started to see a significant consistent increase in the number of incidents reported to our office . we saw between 20152016, the number of anti muslim. hey groups tripled tonight. the every i looking into whether have crime charges will be filed against an alleged white supremacists, accused of stabbing to good samaritans to death on a commuter train. in portland, the guy who did that was someone's had been in the fringes of the all right movement. and he's up on their way. this country are great on there that we hear that all the time go back to where you came from and he just amped up

that rhetoric that he wants to take his country back. and so that's that, that's the theme that runs through that. and we're not going to let people come into our country destroyer. i saw this guy running for president doing the exact same thing and i couldn't believe that i was hearing it, but i knew that it would work. and that was the frightening thing. because i've seen it work on klan rally and stone mountain georgia. i saw that kind of rhetoric where people are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. what do we do about it? their culture. i don't want to know about their culture. if you want your body, you could just don't know where to go. what was the bucket of gasoline was kicked over and lit up. all those little sparks that already existed into a large forest buyer. part of donald trump's huge appeal was that although he does

not think in terms of race, the way i do, he at least thinks in terms of nation, he recognized that the united states is a nation with a particular people. and that not everybody belongs here. this is a great relief to millions of people who have seen their nation transformed in the name of diverse with diversity that always comes at the expense of white people. he spoke to some of the things that, that angry white male wants to hear. we're going to put a wall on the border. we're going to make the mexicans pay forward. we're going to bring manufacturing jobs backs as a kind of populous message. white males combined with racism that was found to be very attractive and everyone's promises like that idea as well. there's not tens of thousands this hundreds of thousands of them that have an intellectual curiosity and an understanding of national socialism that no skin had ever had. there was a price you paid if you were public with your big tree or anti semitism,

it didn't serve you well in your career. your friends in your neighborhood really weren't excited to hang out with. your kids might be embarrassed of you. your parents would be really upsetting you and people learned that those attitudes were not going to be beneficial to their life. i think what we're concerned about now is that blanket and then we put over it, is being pulled back. that it's going to be really hard to put that back where it was a ah

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with that stuff. so, you know, i always check with his guy guys, gonna get killed that here. so i got a guy who's got a hey people who say, oh we have hey, hey hey, we're pretty low please. the same people said a hate when i was randy, you know i came home. i don't want to talk to you, you know, understand you. he will cool no problem the whole time. we couldn't really have a discussion because the camera, you know, you people question, i don't get done with lose. it was go find more really intimate said neil, i don't know if i'm talking to you. like really?

and i guess our intimate setting was force known as we were both keep out. so we encountered some police officers, they were treating randy how they would treat me on a regular day. you know, just awful what they perceive by his, our parents end up one arrest in. yeah, i right, this may not be, don't spin. are usually displayed on the back. is it usually mount was? what is he doing wrong? why everyone sit on the ground? do this type of stuff. so we actually started walking and talking and we found out we have things in common. you know, i some, his views about certain bay. it was certain style i'm girl and both. yeah. he was telling me he got involved in his teenage years in the area nation and asked him how a lot of my friends and different people get involved. and the blow to crimps in different games. they join. that's what's around you. so whatever is around you and your friends may be involved with whatever happens your, my state is going to be on that. so for me,

i just saw the similarities of what my culture would deal with just in a little different way. there's no, there's nothing new up on it. a son. his was just a different route. they angry white man, angry by 2 different people. the angry black man is angry because he has no home has no vision. yeah, no way to provide angry white people, especially in a low income cause they have so many mental role models that you can just turn on the tv and see success. i mean, now i would be deprived to have down at the bottom with black people when they got a reason to be you know, i'm why, why am i know it isn't easy to see thing your own and, you know, you know, no one your doctor to doctor, any, you know what, better way to focus setting or that bill nice people able different color, i guess a white man because he's angry cuz he doesn't really understand what you

know, that america, he doesn't even say you got the way out for the blessed waiting to hear the minor back. i mean everybody. that's why it in america has benefited on give me a call or a mr. and mrs. busy right now, giving me or help me. i got somebody to understand that just myself my culture as a whole and look it differently just because of my individual encounter every week to 3 times we lease that lease due to time phone calls, you know, our phone calls and we've done one of ours. mm. i

mean, when you think about what you've done, just in the last month, the turn around the correction, the what you've abandoned and what you would opted it's most people can't even lose can pounds. they want to lose much less make an entire mental, emotional lifestyle change to humanize town, which allows you to humanize your like that. that's not rocket science, but yeah, it's, it's evading. the majority of the country right now, there's a lot, i could, i could never look at anybody and eric eric brother who the nation. anybody got a lot of only saying why i got free and that that was part of his narrative and changes his narrative's. not that we agree with anything that comes out of the far right. is that we don't ever forget that there are people inside that most people you know that there's a human being inside of this person, right. and we just choose not to forget that you don't really see x, not vitamin, you know, have

a lot of dialogue as we do. but i mean, i can consider him a friend. i was glad that i could have that effect on randy to open his eyes up to see then you know something a c. whatever may have been introduced to him or told him was proven to be a last day in madison. but i think we often think about this and terms of the ways in which they are failing us. they are bad men, they are floating away from us. they are deviant. and i think we need to ask the other question. also, we need to ask the question and how we are failing them. what kind of ways can we keep them in the center?

and part of my answer to that is we have to find ways to keep them validated as men . it's really amazing. when people feel more whole quickly and how easily ideology of hey falls away. and if you can reconnect them to the people that they, they hated. it helps know that these are that they realize they're actually a part of the solution rather than contributing the problem. the 1st time i've ever felt accepted in any shape or form from anybody is actually with y after have another p 5 med just recently. i feel if it's too great. so i want everybody to know the human being here instead of like a mission. but i have person to be able to have their different cultures and different people here. it's really, it's good to be able to cause it to be able to interact because it teaches me that

no, we're all in this together. this is a part of our solution and farmers are, are evolving into a powerful force. man, justice, quality, love, peace, compassion. we are operating as human beings from one of 2 places, year or less. and you get to choose which one that is still happening in the days following boston happened. it was such a turn out and theme that support for countering that narrative of white supremacy . it really flooded me with hope. i am proud that i can be a voice against what i used stamps or i sorta has and

i have something to bring to the to run to bigger and better things. while i'm still mindful of what i owe to society, but no one's better served by my younger shane at this point, including me. me . i fired at a casino, a glock at this time. one suspects going about molly and you need to communicate with him and he's got an automatic weapon. he's running a walk at

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a friend in the united states. ah, with you, little bit about it all to anybody basie. so the city, if you draw the look at the book, they incentives and we figured a few color rebel notions is one among several means to reach the goal of conquering foreign lands and bringing them on to the helm of u. s. western economic interest. people been sad it, i don't that. that's what everybody did. democrats, yeah. you trinity coral act. so no, we say low their soft power. i'm a cap. and the final goal of these thing revolutions is to ensure that there are no independent players in the world anymore.

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