[000:00:00;00] ah ah ah, ah hello in welcome to cross top where all things are considered i'm funeral about is ending the conflict in ukraine on the agenda. maybe china has offered a proposal. it appears that you k, france, and germany are sounding out as a lensky regime on a proposal of their own. all will come to nothing if russia's interests are not

respected. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. she's an award winning journalist, and commentator, and in budapest we have george semi while he's a podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. are a gentleman crossed up rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. i start out with george in budapest, georgia, you know, is peace in the air. i mean, there piece proposals coming out now that you know, the chinese have come, come out with a 12 point program. what's coming out of the u. k. a france and germany is a bit unclear, but it is being, it's making the rounds that they're sounding out. as i said in my introduction as zalinski regime on how to move forward. i think there's some kind of reckoning going on here, but it doesn't mean it's going to end. well, hear your thoughts on,

on both proposals, other proposals or proposals which george? well, i think i did give away the punchline in a moment. i leave the striking thing about that report from the wall street journal about this you k francis germany proposal is that there is not one sentence, not one word about russia's security concerns to talk about. well, what, what, what can we do to provide some security for ukraine, and how do we mount offensive by zelinski so that he can be put in a stronger position? well, that, that go she, asians, and can we liberate all of a dumbass? leave me a for a later date. there's nothing, not one word about what the conflict has been all about. why russia launched this

last year, which is russia security concerns? and there isn't, i have no idea of it. you know now was this because of the reporters of will street journal? was it because of the leaders of the nato allies, but as long as they don't consider roches problems or issues. russia has been raising for many years about nato expansion and about guarantees that have some kind of marriage, not just something that well, we'll say something today, and then we'll change our minds more then and there isn't going to be any kind of a piece negotiations. the chinese proposals were interesting and well, largely dismissed by the nato countries are interesting. that's the one with was the lensky himself knows the landscape. i think he's trying to. i think that he can charm he's away anywhere and that he can get

a meeting with. and then you can persuade you to come over to his side. otherwise though, i don't think the chinese proposals are going to go anywhere either. you know, i guess if you would need some script writers from, from washington and want to pull that rabbit martin this stay with the chinese one because i agree with george here part of it. and i'm going to read part of it here . country should quote, prevent block confrontation. i think we know that that's a reference to a nato and work towards building quote, a balance effective and sustainable european security architecture. that's exactly what george was talking about barn. yeah, i think the real problem here is even though weston elise, beginning to realize that they need to start looking at a solution for ukraine. they're taking so long about stepping in this direction.

you know, you talk about the script writers and ski, i think we need to script writers with dumb and dumber or c. call for show macro. because the kind of statements that are coming from these comes are just incredible . absolutely astounding. i mean, how, turn death of the situation can you be? it seems that both of these slater's can agree on one thing they want. now a deadline, they want something set in progress for peace talk. so they seem to agree on a fundamental position which we haven't had before. the news is so landscape is the problem. that's what they've agreed on, thus reading in between the line just so this guy isn't moving in direction. we need to move in a you talk about about to ask his problems. what i think is interesting is that the west front, some germinate, they have their own problems. and what we're witnessing now is a shift towards this narrative of we need to get

a piece process moving and moving quite quickly because macro and show. so thinking about their own political back thinking about their own comes and how much longer the situation go on for because you have now a key date coming up, which is 2000 to 24. that seems like a long way away. but the binding comes recognize i stood from the summer onwards. he's gonna have to start comes paintings even going to places like flint, which he's afraid of country, also supporting to station. and he's gonna have to explain to humbled americans who are struggling to eat or even survive. why he hasn't pumped under the opinions of dollars into job's health care roads, hospitals, instead of funding a war in a country which they can't find a map of the world. so you've got this dichotomy of logic going on, i think between zalinski on the west and europe, the or the europeans look at the problem slightly differently from macaroni shows. but i mean schultz is so tuned. he's so out of touch realities. he just recently

visited brazil saw africa, bruce countries o king, that he could stir up some sort of antagonism against russia from those countries. i mean, what come is this guy own, you know, obviously that backfired spec? well, you know, if it, let me go to george here right now, but i, you know, we were talking about peace proposals. and because as we recorded a reported by the journal that the, the, the british, the french and the germans are sounding out zalinski. but i mean we're buying was in, in camps. okay. and in warsaw with some of the most bombastic language that we've heard from a long time, from a man that this can't really deliver it anymore. um, you know, so who cares what the caribbean leaders have to say? i mean, it's so interesting is the one of the biggest loser and all this is europe. i mean, you have still traveling around the world while the americans alleged by seymour hersh, destroy his pride, his pride and joy of

a fueling german economy. thus the journey european economy. i have to agree with martin and it is a bit delusional, but really, who cares what piece proposals come out of western capital? it has to come out of washington. don't know exactly right, and this is what, what is so astonishing and particularly when it comes to germany that joe, the economic powerhouse they, you know, literally their tribes wonder, which is their pride and joy that they become this great. a global economic power is being jeopardized openly contemptuous. they buy the united states and you have to wonder about the german public. everything you know, you're going to stand for this. are you that tolerate, essentially being relegated to a kind of a 2nd class status as a, as an economic power a seemingly they are. and what's interesting about the, you know, what i mean, you just said that the americans are the ones who are the driving force folders. and as long as they can ignore every piece proposal, they can go on

a whipping out their checkbook. and this is another $10000000000.00, and then they can ignore all of the proposals coming out of your ability to read doesn't matter what shows my wrong or what else that and you know, no one can be out there is if the british decide to join forces with the french and the germans, and that's why i thought, well then maybe something interesting here. when i, when i saw the headlight, the british now join the french germans because i think the americans and might be isolated. but as i said earlier, i, you know, i don't think there's anything here that would be of any interest, but the americans could pull the, plug them zelinski at any time. interesting. so that all this talk about, well, we know, you know, we, you know, we, we, everything is, depends on zelinski and, you know, we, you know, he's war and we know nothing depends on zillow and everything depends on washington . because it's washington, just simply given him an open checkbook in martin, in the following on what georgia said there. i mean, this isn't case of moral hazard. i mean, and he has no inkling until

a nation whatsoever to change what's going on. now, i mean, look, as you said, when buying goes on the campaign, you know, he's going to be asking, why are you paying the pensions of ukrainians? why are you paying for their health care? why are you paying for everything else? i mean, we, everyone knows this incident that happened. no. hi. oh, i mean, the stark contrast. there is a parent for all to see. so i, i don't season lindsay, i mean if it's not, you know, nothing about wednesday without the wednesday. i don't see has any reason to change his behavior right now. the checks ok. continue to come in. exactly. and i think that's really the key point. i'm george's point, this is a fascinating one. you know, there is no real impetus. yes. but it could be, and i think it some pretty fascinating. but the, when you boil down the essence of what macro and she's saying is less k, which it could be, we could because we could be forgiven for making

a mockery of creating liberty of it. because it is an errors in the respect that the french and germans are st. lazansky. look, we need you to move towards some sort pistols with russia and to encourage you to do that. what we're proposing to do is give you a whole ton load, more of guns and cache and whatever you need. because that would actually help you . and then also just your but your viewers understand essentially everything up to nato membership. so some kind of security arrangement, a lot more cast in a lot more weapons. okay, so martin, so lindsey, except that what i would, the russian got to talk to the russians. and that's the, that's is what makes a mockery of everything. keep going more, i think they've been, we've been brushed out of the equation, but i don't think that will last too long. i think it may be media doing the media plays a big role here. but for the moment, you know,

there's no real incentive. what i think could happen, and, and i think some certain corners of someone list of alluded to this is i think, a certain point that relationship between europe is going to run into difficult. runaway runs a rough horses. and so already happy you can see the that there was some indications of this already. but i think that at some point they do, i feel quite wrong because i think the europeans are in a very strong position because finally it will be short. so no matter who can actually say to lensky, look without an off of this. if you don't play along and take our proposal seriously, we may well actually cut funding to you. we might actually reduce a counter. your point in shield goes robe, where they always have an elite, a better buck in washington. well, we'll promote a regime change in germany, georgia. i'm not crazy. they could do that,

though. they absolutely will do that. i mean the, the americans of been very, very wary about sure. so the beginning of this talk about many times before the americans have never trusted. the germans, social democrats, going back to the 1950s through the seventy's with browns. and how much went through to the, to thousands with gaff schroeder, they just don't like the social democratic and they would love to see the back of schultz. and, you know, we saw how contemptuously they treat control. so lena babcock is very much the person they have in mind, and i do have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on real estate. ah, ah

ah ah ah ah ah ah

ah ah ah, welcome back to cross not where all things are considered on peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, let's go back to martin america learning attorney interesting. the, the, the media is blood with allegations that china has already been or may start supplying arms to show russia. i see no indication the russian needs arms, but ok, these are the media stories. are also this ridiculous talk about russia in china getting closer together. is it that suddenly appeared to some people? this is something that's been going on for

a very long time. and i find it really astounding mainstream you, oh my goodness, you know they, they're very much asleep at the wheel here. okay. i did that in one more thing here . i think it was in munich and the chinese foreign minister. he was challenged by our old favorite child joseph brow. the foreign policies are on the european union. and he said, you know, it's, we crossing one of the red lines of china supplied arms to, to russia. and he said, when you supply of service, the ukraine. so what is the difference? he said, a very big difference and apparently ran for the door, didn't answer what that differences mark, when all these anything remarkable about worldly, just not replying to, i'm just a girl. so question. see, she's been union circle foreign policy. i think this is a major story. i mean, i hate to keep how much media because i'm a journalist, but i do think it's a media store. i think this is

a real story about how selective western media is when it touches china. you know, it just roots out all the new, susan sticks of the cliches from the beginning. it isn't really a story at all, but china is in space with russia and getting involved in the arms race which has been created by the west from just just a few weeks ago. if you remember the tonic we experienced over tanks. thanks for the new subject. and tanks, the murder contained some german times leopold 2 tanks of 2 tanks. and the british challenge of things is all, become a big story, which we haven't heard about much in the last few weeks because no one believes it, no one believes and will ever get round descending. abrams and one saying that even if he does what numbers you talking about? i still think of something stupid. i mean, i don't really make any sense. i think china is a media story, i think has been distorted like other tea stories which have been secured and distorted, to sit to fit

a certain narrative. the main one for me is the panic will be seen between biden's come and landscape just a few years ago. so let's see, was in washington, what was your doing there? well, i think it was being brief, bye bye to telling him to get move on to certain things. i don't think it to that very seriously. it seems the bible was affected by this and felt the need to send a few key officials just landscape. and namely, burns c, i a director to a firm of points which to the credit. and this really aims me submit this. the washington post actually did report. they did actually write in a rather nuanced hybrid article, which probably few people read. they actually didn't make the point the, the burden administration is every message is landscape, which is that you haven't got too much time. and the reason why you haven't got too much time to go ahead and achieve any other gains of the american. so to make on the battlefield is because i, li, republicans in america are given by and coded message that you are spending spree now with, with,

with ukraine. but it can't continue. we're not saying we're going to cut it. we won't agree to the huge amounts that we signed off before. now we're house, uncertain buying has transmitted this message to the graders and basically said, look, you've gone through some of the end of summer because then things start getting really difficult. you're going through kids and a phenomenal, right? i mean, this is a record breaking. you know, this is military records being broken share the amount of kid that he goes for is just unbelievable. no one can, no one knows where it goes, where ends up pretty much. i mean, it's not clear. it's even being used on the front. ok. it's a clear ok. with a ga, ga, ga mean the, you learn make some very smart points here. but the rhetoric is not changing the benefit that doubling down on the rhetoric, but then we have all this background stuff, you know, you know, time is running out. you have to, we have to make a case, you know,

that can go that can exist side by side for too much longer. george? no, i do think that the americans as always hedging their bets, you know, they're, they're talking out of both sides of them out. so you have on the one hand, you have biden doing the whole gung ho thing in the also and, and then you have the, they leave the stories for the washington post that way. if this turns out, well hey, it was all because we, we, we, how often we show to watch was it things don't turn out well. we can blame it on zillow and see what we jones and stay that needs to get off. so it's something for everyone americans always do. this is always the sort of the hard liners on the soft line. and then, you know, you take your pick depending on how it works up. but going back to your point about china, or cindy, right, this is the friendship between russia and china, you know, goes back to the, the, the, the yelton era. i mean that's, that's when really they,

it began and it was obviously an expression that russian weakness vulnerability they needed to find that ally. this is being growing in strength the year of the year. now some people will come up to this and say, well, look, so russia, china, a very close, we need to split them up and going to split the problem in neither side as the swipe is dangerous. well, i bet it joins forces with the americans against the chinese. you know, that's, that's a really good idea. well, that's a great strategy. and on top of it, martin with news reports that more advisors are going to taiwan. and so blink and wants to challenge his chinese counterpart about rules based order and all this and the chinese have to say, why are you putting more advisors, technicians, whatever. where do you want to use on taiwan,

which you'd the united states recognize as part of china. ok, so why would the chinese have any interest in changing course right now when they see on their flag table, ryan are rattling and that's something they take very seriously mark. yeah, and i think that chinese are probably more than the well, the most countries of such that rather unsafe re mention of obama when referring to joe biden, which applies totally to biden's foreign policy initiatives since taking office, you know, don't underestimate your binds ability to slip on top of pricing, of course, you know, name one foreign policy initiative, the burden can actually say nails done good here. you might already know 3 pipelines actually, and a lot of voters will resume. a lot of them will, will. we'll connect with that because that show in the arms, the american economy, that created growth, that created jobs and i get the longer term when we look at the phone policy layer,

you know, wherever boyden goes, he usually messes things up, you know, and i wonder whether the tie, one story is really a media destruction. to shift the media narrative now away from ukraine. from august, september, october onwards. swift things are going to get really tough in ukraine when these tanks, even if they arrives, you know, they're not gonna make any real difference. i mean, if you're into an institution now and you're talking to your general generals surely must be planning the spring offensive. because as an option to that was a gap that, you know, and i wrote about it from western media who, you know, military people, journalists, are much better informed than i'm talking about a spring offensive. and so i think this is really spooking up. i'm sure you know he's go account down now from the summer onwards to being re elected under um that time is not on his side, you know, and, and when, when the stories turn against him in ukraine, i think a will be looking for a new story on the song policy, so on china and taiwan seems to be right,

particularly when britain is helping him so much on mission to say or, or maybe we'll have another spat 2 balloons. who knows how to do it that that was another one of those interesting came roaring. yeah, we have been fascinated in george. so you have talked about this on our podcast. if it really was democrat versus republican, if it was really conservative versus liberal in even one to win. oh, it's still, it's biden's war. it's going badly. it's very, very expensive. and i'm you and i have been bewildered by this forever. okay. because it is biden's war, he has a tendency to, you know, what with foreign policy. it's a no brainer, but it shows, but it really shows it pulls the, the curtain away and you can see the unit pop, pull the of the unit party, the war party in the military, industrial complex. their interest is beyond politics. go ahead, georgia is exactly right. the republicans in the have an open goal and they,

and they didn't do seem to be able to just take the whole, you know, it's there, right. this is not just not did over the line. yeah. it's quite extraordinary because we know that had it been the other way around and trump for president, the ceiling was going on in ukraine. the democrats will be saying this is, trump's, was, this is a, but he said, you know, the republicans are kind of, you know, all over the place. and that's because they have this act of this, the attitude towards russia. then they said they simply, you know, to them, you know, even though they dislike buying the, you know, they buy them and everything but the somehow, you know, rushes to lean bottom in the evil and the best that they can come up with. well, mine should have sent the weaponry sooner. you should have done more earlier. you should have been taught. that's why we're rated by. was we as this other? how can we come up with the how to answer the question?

yeah. it's, it's by them. so he was to, we should make great approaches, whatever it is he was supposed to make clear to prove it. and that's, and that's it. and that's why i think republicans will fail to exploit because as, as martin said, yeah, i mean, things could really blow up in a bind in space and way electrically. he should be punished. the republicans are just simply go to bungle it. ok, let, let me know one minute left here. and the, even though i, the republicans will continue to go along with bites of ukraine policy. i don't think that's going to be the case in europe because we just have these massive protests in berlin over the last new cycle there. it's more than rhetoric. this is, this is every day live life in germany wasn't supposed to cost you when it comes to eggs and, and cappuccinos and going out in the evening. now it is last 45 seconds to yeah, life is getting tougher and it takes a while. so the average man street to understand the dynamics of

a huge issue like the current $106.00 is aging. those just gone through the roof 34 times in the u. k. for example, i've mentioned before in the u. k, we have pension, now freezing to death apartments, germany dummies, economy. i think this week economist said it is now officially in recession. and a lot of german companies announced shocking to america to set up companies that just to stay in the game. but, you know, i don't, i think it come to europe is going to be the problem soon or not sure. i mean, these people cannot hang on so much longer. and i think micron shows quite sensitive to that. they do understand that the time is running out for them. but i think also, i wonder, we talked about republicans in america unbundled. i wonder if the nightmare nor if a bunch of leading up to presidential elections is but it becomes a one issue rice which will be it. okay then that that's a question for another program we've run out of time or when it gets america. and in budapest,

and i think our viewers are watching us here at ortiz the next time. remember cross top roles. ah, ah hi, i'm rick sanchez. and i'm here to plead with you. whatever you do, you do not watch my, your show. certainly why watch something that's so different opinions that you won't get anywhere else. welcome, but please. if you have the state department to see i weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your facts for you. go ahead. i change and whatever you don't want my show stay mainstream because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way. thank

who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. i think your future list of course, sure. as we speak on the billing you think you move to mind the we're, we're, we're banding all imports of russian oil and gas news. i mean, i know they franky with a little bit, you know, with joe biden, imposing these sanctions on russia, you know, has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang.

i was standing in an alley smoking a joint one day and a man came up to me and pull the joint from my mouth. and he said, don't you know that that's what the capitalists and the jews want you to do. keep the docile, and we are violent tours of those people because we believe that we're the superior race. we're here 1st and this is our pantry, guns, ammo, steel, toe, dark, martin tattooing violence. just just prerequisite to enter or exit free. walked off like i could see this look in his face. i've loved it. i fear like he feared me. being part of that movement, i got to feel a sense of power when i felt powerless, but i got attention when i'd felt invisible and accepted when i felt them, we had a strategy. we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to the masses. don't get tattoos. don't shave your head, don't get arrested. go to college,