i was standing in an alley smoking a joint one day and a man came up to me and pulled the joint from my mouth. and he said, don't you know that that's what the capitalists and the jews want you to do to keep you. we are violent towards you, those people because we believe that were the superior race. we were here 1st and this is our pantry, guns, ammo, still tow doc martens, tattooing violence just just prerequisite to enter or exit 3 walked off. like if you this looking to cease about the fear, like he feared me being part of that movement, i got to feel a sense of power when i felt powerless when i got attention, when i felt invisible and accepted when i felt that we had a strategy we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to

the masses. don't get tattoos don't shape your head. don't get arrested. go to college, join the military, keep your head down, go mainstream. ah

a and i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who were currently getting out with feel like life after hate is an organization that was founded by 4 x skin head, neo nazi white supremacist in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out,

make, keep them safe and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in order to stay out with . welcome or well, we're pioneer just where the 1st one is to do this for the 1st one. and quite frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent formless and just point even your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us in this room has the capability to help people where we once were, this isn't

a path that anyone should have to do alone. and if there are people in this room who have to do it alone in the beginning and you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else, why my name is frank leverage. actually, philadelphia got in the movement at any age 13 going on 14, in the movement. i got very active, especially very violent can up. somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out of the movers don't lose any bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman right down the street. that, that little girl is something that will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years, and that's when i got involved with the skin and movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tat to like if it's a solid black tad to a person committed murder and got away with hulu. i did some serious things are not thankful i get that covered up. i'll have to look

at it in a more went to treatment last year. and when i graduate my reached out to my pastor hadn't been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area resisted skinheads and hammers and heads in san diego for 13 or 14 years. we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left people laying there that i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in this in that same from mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement at the movement and left me. it was the birth of my, my daughter, you know, getting the little girl and the delivery room. and my son was born 15 months later

. you know, they saw the magnificence in me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that gift that allowed me to, we humanized, i became a gang member her about 18 years and started that kind of stuff in and out of prison, june home, stuff like that. after surviving a race right became pretty violent and aggressive and started started manifesting like to say towards whites as a result of that race, right? because of my role in the riot, i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking, getting members in my state. i had even made a vow that if i was going to rob steele, pillage whatever it was going to be white, we could start to feel special and what we're going through here and it is special, but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic place. it's the same story. it's the same feeling touch the human

experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly it under has a very similar approach. this inaugural gathering of the former's, i think, is incredibly important. you know, we were able to get and so far is just us as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load. but that's not possible anymore. this countries in too far crisis with that we are being ethnically quin. yeah. in our own nation, a regular we've got to like to preserve ourselves. we've got a right to keep this nation, the nation that our forefathers in vision. that's what we're fighting for here.

everyone moved together now they knew the 40 words i want to secure the existence of the white race in the future for white children. that's what this is all about. is about stopping why genocide, sobbing, multiculturalism american white working class is angry. they, they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now, i'm looking at these extreme white nationalist, white supremacy or not see these guys were active in the stream, right? the very, very end of a continuum because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i consider to be the mainstream. because i think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged? feel themselves to be such victims? these guys are furious, and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of

entitlement that it's founded on. when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess. something's been taken from them with the language that they use. it's all a language of retrieving restoring, reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i with

the idea that i would ever back down to little like may or signer that i would ever got down when the governor of the state declare a state of emergency if they thought they don't understand why mark, they don't understand the all right, they don't understand this entire moving with randy a sammy i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over here. can be so good to meet your brother. okay, wait, your brother will be there in

a few minutes. all right. it's the hardest thing i have ever made at the time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was going to 20 is i'm now going to lose family members that are in a room and mentalism. well, as every friends i've just had for the last 6 years, and they're all going to go. so just kind of recap and fresh out, fresh on like, i think just like he one day to the next is still questions. things. yeah. but he, he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in it to be in like almost instantaneous the same day. kind of thing. you know, he was got turned at the rally, the the, the, the getting beat up. he was getting through protester side of things. people were kicking them in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in

. people are getting out to turn to other things, alcohol, drug, other addictions. and so it's, it's you don't make this clean breaking so it's, there's going to be a whole $180.00 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out it was like, i'm alone out here like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one can relate, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing and loan, uncertain she, you know, cut off. i think happy to know there are others out here to understand what it's like to be in the movement. to understand what it's like to get out of the movement . to understand what is post change is possible, there is a way out there is life for have me

the a with in 1884. the german empire began its colonial invasion into nam may be from the very start. berlin encouraged the white colonists to settle in south west africa and take away the best land from the local drives. the germans were actively draining natural resources and using the local population as a cheap labor source. this was causing major protests and led to a rebellion. in 19 o 4, the hero and nama tribes rebuild against german colonial rule. kaiser wilhelm the

2nd was fully determined in order to suppress the rebellion with the utmost severity against the inhabitants of nam may be a germany through it's 15000 well equipped army. all around the country concentration camps were built. in humane medical experiments over citizens were conducted within the period of 4 years. the germans killed up to 60000 people, among which there were 80 percent of the hero tribe, and 50 percent of the nama tribe. the events in south west africa are called the 1st genocide of the 20th century, and not without reason are compared to the holocaust. just 2 decades later, after the massacre in namibia hitler's assault unit put on the same brown colonial uniform which push the world into the chasm of the 2nd world war

with oh, or ask you like the racial and you always have been a little racist. yeah, this kind of fell into exceptions, you know, was in your like in your family when your community is every other everywhere. so more normal for you then? yeah, yeah. well i was afraid to be open about ever come. grace was a good person. the prism never collab person around with

you know, they get this walk and already had it. and i need to know what i felt and what i believed felt right. most guys from the get out. they don't keep with it. i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do to click back. oh, so how long over the whole course, your life for you involved actively as a white supremacist? i'd want michelle john. sure. it's all john. we always make new ones. you know, they make them more fashionable. usually. i know. so just one big was the on the for i know i, michael, i was like, i was coming off now to can i want i wanna buy the boat and had it pointed up, you know, 44 magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's gonna take everything inside and kicked down. it came back and playing print shop. all you been clean? now let's see what we left

a couple years ago or for 3 years. you know, she not, she met me all day long into life boys do this unless it's what it's called nazi. no. it's a lot of change is getting thrown at you right now. you know. yeah, yeah. a lot, a lot, you know, like using drugs, you know, it's familiarities gone and the racing was all correct if you will. when you get it in lifelong, irreplaceable, you know, you're reaching out the man, you know, you didn't, didn't, didn't do william the person. oh, god, coming to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, it was god you oh, it's not fair for us. you know, when you called in today we are definitely gonna be down. they don't like they got real. got real quick. i can't imagine what, what, what the future holds. sure, ma'am, but if it's anything like what we're seeing now, good enough,

so glow struggle. keep going through, you know, scares, hell. you're joining that, that, that group of men and women men who are, who are facing the same change you're facing right now. i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of loss while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon the identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything when they joined up at the job. what do you think about a nation or political order that is racially, they are richard the what do you think of israel?

let's have some coffee. let's talk. okay. mike michael. hey, nice to meet with me. oh no, no, no. my what former show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did, so can have that right. so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach that violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone of the wandering. the desert correlated factor in someone joining about when they stream this group with child trauma,

abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol. my case, if there was abandonment, going out the foster care my whole life and being physically abused as a kid by my an uncle and my cousins and stuff and i've cited since i was a kid, you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot. when i was 10 walked in on him with another woman and then bang, that's when the god fell off the pedestal. we started to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger and confuse i was very confused in my dad. he's to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara, that's why i walk in and you know, it's not in basically knoxville will punch an out, fade, the black. they form

a very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough. they're not smart enough. they're not pretty enough. they're on level, they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid, as a young man, as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse abandoned man. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it, we suppress it. the shame was, i think, compiled with schuman creation. if you couldn't put her away, and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in reaction to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did. i feel like other people think they're nothing. and here's a group that comes along. it says, we think you're something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity,

it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort and mostly because i was angry at myself and my parents and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself, it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology is secondary and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top of that group here and most when i got in

prison in mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from my home, from a number. oh wait, oh, i'm here. so i figured the best statement i couldn't make, i can join the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to kill you and nothing said that message better than the brother. much easier to recruit in southern out when again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and maybe make a difference. and then you want to do and there is perfect. i guess you'd be here on around one and then not have a covered, you know, hidden in all my touches. so i used to be the guy with

a swastika. all mean that down the street and people would pull their kids literally. i've seen people pull their kids away from and i say this so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody who's looking down and like live down there. so now try to, you know, keep starts like, you know, most of the possible thank you that out of you wanted me to be able to get some of this remote cover. i wouldn't be live changing because people will never see that in the me. that doesn't call without me talk them 1st. when you come from nothing you really have gotten up and you know, little power, you know, nice. and you know, those good to think you're in control or something once does the whole things about you know, power, power, power. so yeah, it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up. you go. okay. i will say what would all that bullshit. harris thing i've also taken on the bruise of had everything, all the stress, i've been through years of torture for them to say,

okay, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone. i'm go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described as white supremacist. the white supremacists is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. yeah. in terms of living in african climate, it's a lot easier. it's way there are different like foods falling off, the trees. yeah. black and white. have you looked at the victim service? i've looked at a lot of victim survey. ok. you're looking at how many male on black female rates were there, and the last 10 years, i don't know, approaching them 0. okay. okay. so like there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you think that they're more predisposed to being criminals. yes, africans, yes or do you think it's just what it is?

i don't blame them. you don't think it's you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement justice system and, and schooling system. and the fact that up until very recently, very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access that way. africans, i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail africa was destroyed by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now. here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more serious? no, i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say, i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people don't recognize that i'm doing everything i can to protect my people and civilization. i went on

a path and like you, i was passionate. i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years, and i want to know what you down that path. i higher ideal of what the right white race can be and i actually have a superhuman ideal. i'm not caught up in, you know, justice or security or comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's written by it's diverse and headed to the only way it's going to it's going to become that way is if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible fragmentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow. it might happen in 50 years or so on. but in this thing can go on,

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