the settlers, if we, if they conroy, the chance will be for disappointed by then and these are ministration. is they sometimes say the correct words, but when it comes to putting pressure on these really government, i'm really very reluctant to do. and i think a, nobody here in the shrinking this is jose from the united states anymore. totally el. i've only got time for one last question, but it's so good to happy with us before i let you go. what do you think motivates netanyahu's actions and statements? i mean, is it possible that then yahoo is policies are an accurate reflection of public opinion in israel? i think you should think in terms of the coalition looking terms of money out. good there, right o, smith, danielle, there. is it group really all to i'm nationalistic,

who the can talk and hear anything and he's totally in the hence. so even if he thinks that what was done yesterday night is exaggerated or expanding. settlement at the stage is exaggerate that he can look at briefly and the coalition of nationalists and religious or religious a parties. it is the coalition that he created. and this is the coalition, the safeguard the game, politically in league. because the fact that they stared together is the only way that he can avoid it. is there grice of where the wrote the legal wrong doings that he did? that's right. that's right. he still being investigated, isn't he for, for a corruption charges i understand or to allen lee l or the former director general

of the foreign minister of israel, also the former israeli ambassador to south africa. a great privilege, haven't you on the program today? thank you very much for your time. thank you. thank you for hosting. thank you and thank you for joining us as well for this program live from moscow. always great to have your company. a busy monday so far with a lot of heavy hitting headlines for youth, we return the call with i was standing in an alley smoking a joint one day, and a man came up to me and pulled the joint from my mouth and he said,

don't you know that that's what the capitalists and the jews want you to do. we are violent towards those people because we believe that we're the superior race. we're here 1st and this is our pantry. guns ammo, still tow doc martens, tattooing violence or just prerequisite to enter or exit for. he walked off like i could see this look in a safe fear, like he feared me being part of that movement. i got to feel a sense of power. when i felt powerless, i got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i felt we had a strategy, we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to the masses. don't get tattoos don't shape your head. don't get arrested. go to college, joined the military, keep your head down. go mainstream. ah,

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in i began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement. because only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who are currently getting out with feel like life after hate is an organization that was founded by for ex skinhead, neo nazi white supremacist in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in order to stay out with

. welcome. and we were thought, yeah, well, we're pie in this past where the 1st one is to do this for the 1st one. and quite frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent formless. and just a minute, your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us in this room has the capability to help people where we once were decision or path and anyone should have to do a loan. and if there's people in this room who have to do it alone in the beginning, and you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. when i, my name is frank marie jackson, philadelphia got in the movement at any age 13 going on 14 in the movement,

i got very active, especially very violent kidnapped. somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out of the movers, oklahoma city bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman right down the street. that, that little girl is something that will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years. and that's when i got involved with the skin movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tat to like if it's a solid black, tad to a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i just some serious or not a st for i get that covered up. i'll have to look at it. no more went to treatment last year and when i graduated, my i reached out to my pastor, hadn't been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area and resisted skinheads and emerson

heads in san diego for 13 or 14 years. we would do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color their skin. i have left people laying there that i, i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in the skin that seen from the mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement at the movement and left me. it was the birth of my, my daughter. you know, i get enough little girl and the delivery room and my son was born 15 months later, they saw the magnificence of me when i couldn't see it. and they gave me that, that gift that allowed me to, we humanized i became a gang member about 18 years in sort of that kind of lifestyle in and out of prison, june or home, stuff like that. after surviving

a race right became pretty violent and aggressive and started started manifesting, to say towards whites as a result of that race, right? because of my role in the riot, i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking, getting members in my state. i had even made a vow that if i was going to rob steele, pillage whatever it was going to be white, we can start to feel special and what we're going through here and it is special, but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic, quite it's the same story. it's the same feeling touch the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly it under has a very similar approach. this inaugural gathering of the former's, i think, is incredibly important. you know, we were able to get and so far it's just us as volunteers working together as

a team and being able to handle the load. but that's not possible anymore. this countries in too far, crisis with we are being ethnically quinn. yeah. you know, a regular, maybe i like to preserve ourselves. we've got a right to keep this nation. the nation. there are 4 brothers in vision. that's what we're fighting for here. everyone rode together now doing the 40 words. i want to secure the existence of the white race in the future for why children. that's what this is all about, is about stopping why? genocide solving multiculturalism. american white working class is angry. they, they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now,

i'm looking at these extreme white nationalist, white supremacy or not see these guys were active in the stream, right? the very, very end of a continuum because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i considered to be the mainstream. because i think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged? feel themselves to be such victims? these guys are furious, and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that it's founded on. when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess. something's been taken from them with

the language that they use. it's all a language of retrieving restoring, reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i think i like with with the idea that i would ever back down the little creek like may or signer that i would ever got down when the governor of the state declare a state of emergency. if they thought they don't understand why they don't

understand the all right, they don't understand this entire movement. hey randy. hey, it's tammy. i just wanted to check in with you see how you're doing before we come over can be so good to meet you, brother? yeah, okay, all right, great. brother will be there in a few minutes. all right. it's the hardest thing i have ever made a good time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was 20 is i'm now going to lose family members that are in the room. when all this, every friends i've just had for the last 6 years. and they're all going to go are

so just kind of recap and fresh out, fresh on like, i think you just like he one day to the next is still questions. things. yeah. but he, he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in a to be in all like almost instantaneous the same day. kind of thing. you know, he was got turned at the rally, the the, the getting beat up. he was getting beat through protester side of thing. people were kicking him in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in. the people are getting out to turn to other things, alcohol, drug with other addictions. and so, you know, it's, it's, you know, this makes it clean, breaking. so it's, there's going to be a whole $180.00 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out it was like,

i'm alone out here. like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to tell people what my experience was like, but no one can really, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing is loan uncertainty. you know, cut off. i think happy to know there are others out here to understand what it's like to be in the movement. to understand what it's like to get out of the movement . to understand what is like post change as possible, there is a way out there is life after. hey, me the when i would show the same wrong. why don't just don't the

world? yes, to fill out this thing become the advocate. an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves well, depart. we choose to look for common ground. oh, the say like ask you like the racial and you always have been a little racist. yeah. this kind of fell into except and still was in your like in your family with your community ever was ever so normal for you then? yeah, yeah. well way like i was afraid to be open about ever come grace wants to go personal prism. never person around

with you know, they got the walking audio. i need to know what i believe. all right. love love. most guys in the get out. they don't keep with i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do to click back. oh, so how long over the whole course your life are you involved like actively as like a white supremacist. i'd want michelle john. sure. it's all the time. we always make new ones. you know, they make them more fashionable. usually. i know. so just one big was the only for i know i michael i was like was coming. so it was off now to why i wanna buy the boat. had it pointed up, you know, 44 magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's going to take it everything inside it, kick down. it came back, clean, clean, sharp. on your claim. now,

let's see. when we left a couple years ago, or for 3 years. you know, she not, she met me all day long in delight boys doing this unless it was called not, you know, a lot of change is getting thrown at your right now. you know? yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, you know, let, you know, using drugs, you know, familiarity is gone and the racing was all correct if you will. you have been lifelong, irreplaceable, you know, you're reaching out the man, you know? yeah. didn't, didn't, didn't do william in the past. you know, god coming to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, god, you who is not fearful, as you know, when you tell him today we're gonna, we're definitely going me down there. i was like, i got really, i got real quick. i can't imagine what, what the,

what the future holds for you ma'am. but if it's anything like what we're seeing is good enough. second up, you know, loosing, your struggle, keep, keep going through, you know, scares, hell. you're joining that, that, that group of men and women men who are, who are facing the same changes in your face and right. mm. i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of loss while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon that identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or a political order that is raised to leave a richard?

what will you think of a real? let's have some coffee. let's talk with mike. michael. hey, nice to meet with. oh no, no, no. what former show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did. so can hate that right? so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach that violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like water to someone of the wandering,

the desert correlated factor, and someone joining about when they stream this group with childhood trauma, abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol. my case if there was abandonment, going out the foster care my whole life and being physically abused as a kid by my an uncle and my cousins and stuff and i'm fighting since i was a kid. you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot. when i was 10, i walked in on him with another woman. and then bang, that's when the god fell off the pedestal, we started to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger and confuse i was very confused in my dad. you know, i used to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara, that's no lie. i walk in and you know, it's not in basically knoxville will punch an out fe,

the black. they form very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough. they're not smart. enough, they're not pretty enough. they're on level. they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid as a young man as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse abandoned man. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it was depress it. the shame was, i think, compiled with schuman creation. if you couldn't put it away, and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in reaction to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did feel like other people think they're not. and here's a group that comes along and says, we think you are something that we think you're better,

your special it was my family. it was my identity, it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort and mostly because i was angry at myself and my parents and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself, it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology as secondary. and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top of

that here and most when i got in prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from a, from a number. you know, so always goes behind my ears. so i figured the best statement i couldn't make, i can join the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again, i'm going to kill you and nothing said that message better than the brother. much easier to recruit in southern out when again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break and maybe make a difference. and then you want to do and there is perfect. i guess you'd be, i was here at around one and then i know recovered, you know,

hidden viewed all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika, all mean that down the street and people would pull their kids literally. i've seen people phone or away from me. and i say this. so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody's looking down and like live down there. so now child, you know, teachers like, you know, most of the possible thank you that out of you wanted me to be able to get some of this remote cover up. i wouldn't be live changing because i can see that it doesn't come without me talking 1st. when you come from nothing. you really have gotten a little bit power and i think it's nice and you know, those good to think you're in control or something that's the whole thing about who's your power? power power. so yeah, it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up. you go, okay, i will say what would all that, what i've shared harris thing, i've also taken on the bruise. i've had everything,

all the stress. i've been through years of torture for them from say okay, that was for nothing. i'm gonna leave it alone. i'm go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described as white supremacist. the white supremacists is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. yeah. in terms of living in african climate, it's a lot easier. that's why they're they're different. like foods falling off the trees. yeah. black and white. you looked at the victim service. i've looked at a lot of victim server. ok, you're looking at how many male on black, you know, rapes were there, and the last 10 years i don't know, approaching them 0. okay. okay, so there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime. and that's our fax. but you

think that they're more predisposed to to being criminals? yes. africans. yes or do you think it's just what it is? i don't blame them. you don't think if you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement and justice system and, and schooling system. and the fact that up until very recently, very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access that way. africans, i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail africa will destroyed by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. how are immigrants affecting you right now? here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more syrian ref? no, i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say, i'm willing to say it, like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, what i'm doing everything i can to protect my people in civilization. i went down

a path and like you, i was passionate. i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years, and i want to know what you down that path. i am the higher ideal of what the right white race can be, and i actually have a superhuman ideal. i'm not caught up in, you know, justice or security or comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's rich by it's diverse and headed to the community way it's going to, it's going to become that ways. if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible presentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen tomorrow, it might happen in 50 years or so on. but in this thing can go on,

what do you think you really going to accomplish? and already accomplish so much like what identity and his own the. all right, and i mean not to be good to go, but my name are now household to rooms with me. i mean what, endo, to create a more beautiful world. that's exclusive of everybody, but white people i is ending the conflict. can you grace from the agenda? maybe china has offered a proposal. there appears that you pay france and germany are sounding alpha zalinski regime on a proposal of their own. oh, will come to method if russian interests are not respected. ah, so with

ah, the dollars top headlines right now as nigeria wait to see who will lead it with vote counting underway early results from the countries presidential and parliamentary elections are coming in palestinian authorities did alan's israeli settlers for their part in violent riots overnight in the west to find out of who water, which left at least one palestinian dead. but wounded, went over off 100. okay, but you're not, we're not afraid of them. he is really army or protecting the settlers. but if you try to protect yourself, the army will attack you and spray you with gas.