ah i was standing in an alley smoking a joint one day and a man came up to me and pulled the joint from my mouth and he said, don't you know that that's what the capitalists and the jews want you to do. we were violent towards those people because we believe that were the superior race.

we were here 1st and this is our pantry, guns, ammo, still tow doc martens, tattooing violence just just prerequisite to enter or exit for. he walked off like i could see this looking to face fear like he feared me. being part of that movement, i got to feel a sense of power. when i felt powerless, i got attention when i'd felt invisible and accepted when i felt that we had a strategy, we wanted to clean our image up and make our message more palatable to the masses. don't get tattoos don't shape your head. don't get arrested. go to college, join the military, keep your head down. go mainstream news. news

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began to hear about these organizations that were trying to help guys get out of the movement. cuz only the guys who were in the movement could really understand what the guys who were currently getting out with feel like life after hate is an organization that was founded by for ex skinhead, neo nazi white supremacist in the us and canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out. so the idea is to get them out, make, keep them safe and get that kind of support that they need from other performers in order to stay out with

. welcome or well, we're pioneer and we're the 1st ones to do this for the 1st one. and quite frankly, probably the only ones doing it. and we're certainly the only ones driven by 100 percent formless. and this point, even if your desire to do this is new and you don't have the experience. each of us in this room has the capability to help people where we once were sending a packet. anyone should have to do a loan. and if there are people in this room have to do it alone in the beginning, then you understand how difficult that was and what kind of critical role we can play in the lives of someone else. why my name is frank marie jackson, philadelphia got in a moment at any age and i was 13 going on 14 in the movement. i got very active, especially very violent. kidnap somebody went to prison and i was 17. as i got out

of movers, don't lose any bombing that made me reach out to people to help the picture of the fireman right down the street. that, that little girl is something that will always stick with me. ended up going to prison for about 4 years, and that's when i got involved the skin and movement. there's meaning behind the color of the tat to if it's a solid black tad to a person committed a murder and got away with hulu. i did some serious are not thankful i get that covered up. i'll have to look at it in a more went to treatment last year. and when i graduated, i reached out to my pastor. hadn't been involved with them doing stuff. hire portland, trying to reach out and help other people that are struggling to come out of the movement. i was involved with the white area resistance, skinheads and emerson heads in san diego for 13 or 14 years we would

do gay bashing runs and we would attack people just for the color of their skin. i have left people laying there that i don't know if they lived or not. i was involved in the skin that seen from mid eighty's all the way to the, to the mid ninety's. for 7 or 8 years i went through a disengagement, but i'd left the movement. but the movement unless mean it was the birth of my my daughter. you know i getting that little girl in the delivery room and my son was born 15 months later. they saw the magnificence of me when i couldn't see it and they gave me that gift that allowed me to re humanized. i became a gang member. so about 18 years and started that kind of lifestyle in prison, june home, stuff like that. after surviving a race right became pretty violent, an aggressive and started started manifesting like to say towards whites as a result of that race, right?

because of my role in the riot, i quickly grew within the game one of the highest ranking members of my state. i haven't even made a vow that if i was going to rob steele, pillage whatever it was going to be white, we can start to feel special and what we're going through here and it is special, but it's not as unique as you might think. it's really a humanistic, quite it's the same story. it's the same feelings it's, it's the human experience and hate no matter what. what flag you fly under has a very similar approach. this inaugural gathering of the former's, i think, is an incredibly important you know, we were able to get and so far is just us as volunteers working together as a team and being able to handle the load. but that's not possible anymore. this countries him too far,

crisis with we are being ethnically quin yang. a right. we've got to wait to preserve ourselves. we've got a right to keep this nation, the nation that our forefathers and vision, that's what we're fighting for here. everyone moved together now saying the 14 words, i want to secure the existence of the white race in the future for why children. that's what this is all about, is about stopping why? genocide, solving multiculturalism. american wide working classes angry. they, they've been systematically ignored by both major parties for decades. now, i'm looking at these extreme white national flights premises. nazis, these guys were active in the stream, right?

the very, very end of a continuum because i want to know how they went from the center and drifted off there and ended up so far from what i consider to be the mainstream. because i think they can tell us a lot about what's going on in the mainstream as well. why would this group that seem so privileged? feel themselves to be such victims? these guys are furious, and in many cases they're kind of right to be furious. they've been delta bad and you can understand the sense of this range without understanding the sense of entitlement that it's founded on. so when i say that their anger is real, it's because they feel like they've been dispossess something's taken from them. the the the language that they use, it's all a language of retrieving restoring,

reclaiming your masculinity because you had it, they took it away. now you've got to get it back. i think i like the idea that i would ever back down the little like may or signer that i would ever got down when the governor of the state declared a state of emergency if they thought they don't understand why they don't understand the all right, they don't understand this entire moves with

randy. hey sammy, i just wanted to check in with you. see how you're doing before we come over? be so good to meet your brother. okay, wait to hear. our brother will be there in a few minutes. all right. it's the hardest thing i have ever made at the time. my young 900 years was to get out of this. i was going to 20. i'm now going to lose family members that are in the room and mentalism. when i was every friends i've just had for the last 6 years and they're all going to go are so just kind of recap and fresh out. fresh on like, i think you just like he one day to the next is still questions. things. yeah. but

he, like he went, he didn't go through a period of questioning his membership. he went from being in it to me and i'll like almost instantaneous the same day. kind of thing. you know, he was got turned at the rally, the getting beat up. he was getting beat up through protester side of things. people were kicking him in the house and people have to know that it's really ramp it in. the people are getting out to turn to other things, alcohol, drug with other addictions. so, you know, it's, it's, you know, this make this clean breaking so, yeah, it's, there's going to be a whole $180.00 on a lifestyle my situation when i got out it was like, i'm alone out here. like i'm completely isolated. i'm alone. and i would try to

tell people what my experience was like, but no one could. we leave, you know, and it sounds like this guy that we're seeing right now is what i'm hearing is loan uncertainty. you know, cut off, i think happy than all the others are here. to understand what it's like to be in the movement. understands where does like you get out of the movement. to understand what is like post change as possible. there's a way out there is life after, hey, you know. mm. mm hm. is entering the called the can you grade on the agenda? maybe child that has average proposal. there appears that you pay france and germany are sounding out. zalinski became a proposal of their own. all will come to nothing if russian interests are not respect

with the 2nd world war. i think 2 millions of people during the conflict, the balance of power was held by the leaders of 3 nations. the united kingdom, the united states, and the ussr that be dying when they go to the main tribe cruise. so keep up as not because hitler was weak and knew he would wait and he was bluffing. he was the major medical figure. certainly one of the most prominent political leaders of the 20th century when we support the germans of the germans or when we support the russians. and that way, let them destroy each other. there was that kind of sentiment in the west at this time. the redrawing of european board does that begun britain and the united states,

and then just really plan to attack the ussr of britain to survive. russia had to be sacrifice uses, don't wish to be like a dish, davis. mr. ford from us as a lot of some ricardo capital mitchum, alice. hello. no. why not? the cold war had begun with se, ask you like the racial and you always kind of in a little racist you know way. yeah, yeah, that is, this kind of fell into the acceptance ill. or is it in your like in your family, within your community? yeah. is it ever and everywhere was more normal for you them? yeah, yeah. bo wayland, way life, where like, i wasn't afraid to be open about every come. grace was

a good person. never been to prison only you know, every collab prison around with, you know, together this was already had it. i didn't had neither person to know what i felt what i believed felt right. love love, most guys. when they get out, they don't keep with i know if i, if i have a good person, that's what i have to do to click back. oh, so how long over the whole course, your life are you involved actively as a white supremacist? i'd want michelle john shirts all the time. we always make new ones. you know, they make them more fashionable. usually. i know. so just one big was the on the for i know i, michael, i was like, was coming off now didn't i don't buy the boat had pointed up, you know, 44 magnum, you know, long, barely, you know, it's going to take everything in time to kick down it came back, clean, clean up there on your in clean

when we left a couple of years ago or for 3 years. you know, she not, she met home all day long in delight boys doing this on this call not, you know, a lot of change is getting thrown at your right now. you know. yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, you know, let you know that using drugs, you know, familiarity is gone and the racing was all correct if you will, when you get in lifeline. irreplaceable. you know, you're reaching out to them and you know, yeah, didn't, didn't, didn't do william and, you know, god coming to hit me and now there wasn't, wasn't that guy. you know, it was god you not fearful as you know, when you called in today we are definitely going to be down there. like got real. got real quick. i can't imagine what, what, what the future holds. she ma'am,

but if it's anything like what we're seeing up the glove, you know, one of us that you're struggling keep going through, you know, scare selma. you're joining that, that, that group of men and women men who are facing the same change you're facing right? i can't tell you how many hundreds of people who don't believe in the ideology of loss while they're in the movement are too afraid to leave or to afraid to leave for safety purposes. but they're also afraid to start over. they don't want to abandon the identity that they have or that community. and they stay in because they have nothing to go back to because they walked away from everything. when they joined up at the top. what do you think about a nation or political order that is racially,

they are richard the what do you think israel of have some coffee? let's talk. okay. mike michael. hey, nice to meet with me. oh no, no, no. my what former show us is that you can, you can think as, as low as human beings can think in some ways you can do horrible things and you can come out the other side. you should have been so badly broken that there's no way you could come back from this. if you did, so can have that right. so can you, if you are going to pretend that this is simply an intellectual exercise, and you don't speak to the visceral experience that these guys have in the movement, you won't be able to reach that violence was fairly new to me. i know at the beginning i certainly enjoyed the adrenalin rush and the ability to instill fear in people that was like the water to someone of the wandering,

the desert correlated factor, and someone joining about when they stream this group with childhood trauma, abuse could be coming from a broken home and drugs and alcohol. my case if there was abandonment, growing up to foster care my whole life and being physically abused as a kid by my an uncle and my cousins and stuff. and i've cited since i was a kid, you know, and i grew up in the streets. i know my father loved us very much, but i didn't get to see him a whole lot when i was 10. walked in on him with another woman. and then back, that's when the, the god fell off the pedestal, resorted to act out at school and to go down this rabbit whole of, of defiance and anger and confuse i was very confused in my dad. he's to be like another guy being another guy. and barbara, that's no line. i walk in and, you know, it's not in basically knoxville will punch an out fe, the black. they form

a very unhealthy identity about themselves. they're not good enough. they're not smart enough. they're not pretty enough. they're on level, they're less than all my friends in the gang as a young kid, as a young man, as an older man. we all have very similar experiences. nobody use words like trauma or abuse or child abuse abandoned man. my father wasn't there for me. no one could talk about that. it was just like we, we stuff it was depress it. the shame was, i think, compiled with humiliation. if you couldn't put her away and you couldn't be violent, we live our lives. and until we heal that shame in reaction to in another way is to adopt an ideology which tells you you're greater that that's what i did feel like other people think they're nothing. and here's a group that comes along and says,

we think you're something that we think you're better, your special it was my family. it was my identity, it became the person who i was for 8 years. i found comfort and mostly because i was angry at myself and my parents and being a part of a hate movement, gave me an excuse to kind of remove my own pain and put it on other people so that i could project that and not feel it myself, it's sometimes hard to, to really look inward and see that maybe the cause of your problem isn't the other . the ideology as secondary. and i'm talking about every type of extreme, whether it's fundamental religious ideology or hateful or racist ideology. that's something that is just a layer on top here

and my most when i got in prison and mississippi, the reverse racism is so hard core. i got everything from my from a number always goes behind my ears. so i figured the best statement i could make, i can join the most vicious thing i can think of and let them know if you touch me again. i'm going to kill you and nothing said that message better than the brother . much easier to recruit in southern and again, it is easy to exploit. you know, you have that person 247 around you. you know, it's not like outside where they can go home, get a break, me think a different then you want to do. and there is perfect, i guess you'd be or just was here at around one and then i know recovered,

you know, hidden viewed all my touches. so i used to be the guy with a swastika, all mean that down the street and people would pull their kids literally. i've seen people pull their kids away from. and i say this. so yeah, i get that reaction to somebody who's looking down and like live down there with so now child, you know, teachers like, you know, most of the possible. thank you that you know what it means to get some of this remote cover. i wouldn't be life changing because i can see that it doesn't come without me talking 1st. when you come from nothing. you really have gotten a little bit power. you know, it's nice and you know, those good to think you're in control or something that's the whole things about, you know, power, power, power, you know. so yeah, it's hard to leave that. it's hard to give it up. you go, okay. i will say with all that, but here's the thing. i've also taken on the bruise. i've had everything,

all the stress, i've been through years of torture on send for them from say, okay, that was for nothing and leave it alone and go over here and be a nobody. i don't think there is a single group in the united states that i know of that can be accurately described as white supremacist. the white supremacist is presumably someone who wants to rule over people of other races. that's a term from the history books. yeah. in terms of living in, in african climate, it's a lot easier. that's why they're, they're different like foods falling off the trees. yeah. black and white. have you looked at the victim service? i've looked at a lot of victim survey. ok. you're looking at how many male on black female rates were there, and the last 10 years, i don't know, approaching them 0. okay. okay, so there are huge discrepancies in terms of crime and that sort of facts. but you

think that they're more predisposed to to being criminals? yes. africans. yes or do you think it's just what it is? i don't blame them. you don't think if you don't think of a product of our systemic failures and law enforcement and justice system and the schooling system in the fact that up until very recently, very recently in our history where parents were alive, they weren't allowed to have the same access that way, africans, i, i think a lot of conservatives will sail africa will destroy by the welfare states. i don't really buy that. i think there was a certain, i think they were destroyed by slavery. howard immigrants affecting you right now. here in whitefish white fish is deeply segregated. do you think we need to bring in more syrian ref? no, i don't think we need to bring in anybody, but i also don't think we need to exclude anybody if they wish to come in. right. how do you feel about that? well, i would ultimately exclude people. yeah. but i'm willing to say i'm willing to say it. like i'm willing to defend the community. and most people, i don't know,

i'm doing everything i can to protect my people in civilization. i went down a path and like you, i was passionate, i was willing to die for it. i was willing to do what it took to to, to make the vision come through a reality. i think your last, like i was for 8 years and i want to know what you down that path. i am the higher ideal of what the right white race can be. and i actually have a superhuman ideal. i'm not caught up in you know, justice or security or comfort. so white people are just, they're so good in so nice. it once me, it makes me want to puke. they, they, they, they really are accepting towards the other. they want to trust people. but you also need people like me who are guardians of these nice people. we live in a country that's rich by it, it's diverse and headed to the only way it's going to. it's going to become that ways if it comes down to a civil war, i think there will be a terrible presentation. i don't know when it's going to happen. it might happen

tomorrow. it might happen in 50 years or so on. but this thing can go on, what do you think you really going to accomplish and already accomplish so much like what identity theory and as on the all right, and i mean not to be good to go, but my name are now household to rooms to meet me what endo, to create a more beautiful world. that's exclusive of everybody, but why people blue ah. in 1884. the german empire began its colonial invasion into nam may be from the very start. berlin encouraged the white colonists to settle in south west africa and take away the best land from the local drives. the germans were actively

draining natural resources and using the local population as a cheap labor source. this was causing major protests and led to a rebellion. in 19 o 4, the hero and nama tribes rebelled against german colonial rule. kaiser wilhelm the 2nd was fully determined and ordered to suppress the rebellion with the utmost severity. against the inhabitants of nam may be a germany through is 15000 well equipped army all around the country concentration camps were built in humane medical experiments over citizens were conducted within the period of 4 years. the germans killed up to 60000 people, among which there were 80 percent of the hero tribe, and 50 percent of the nama tribe. the events in south west africa are called the 1st genocide of the 20th century, and not without reason are compared to the holocaust just 2 decades later after the

massacre in namibia hitler's assault unit foot on the same brown colonial uniform which push the world into the chasm of the 2nd world war there was no program when i left i kind of and all of us at life after have kind of stumbled our way through it. and then we can take the lessons that we've learned from that and shrink the timeframe down. so there's less was less wandering in the wilderness, so to speak. when i was in the move in the last 2 years, and before i left, i was struggling with do i want to leave? pardon me, want to leave another part in it has been battle with us. if i leave, i had them fall back right now i have not the positive do i have nobody to go to? you know that i lived around the last 7 years. i have nothing sometimes it's hard.