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and sell some of them are my relative, didn't make it jerking themselves to death over doses. but you know what, it may, it made me the person i am today who's on later. i don't give up with anything. investigations were too often handled differently because the deceased was indigenous. so many of the worst criminals got away. the bishop's got away. the ones who had done most of the damage never got charged. oh, the western countries are very concerned the china might be sending russia me so weapons as a way to help brush us military campaign in ukraine. now personally, it's much per personal view. i'm very suspicious of dogma. i don't buy doc to contradicts what i see. the basic logic of behavior puts on the phone. the chinese
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things with ah, one of the most important whistleblowers of this decade is a man who is mostly unknown to the world. daniel hale, a former national security agency intelligence analyst, and member of the u. s. air force bravely told the world that the u. s. drone war was wildly unreliable, and that it was causing the deaths of an untold number of innocent civilians including women and children. this was despite the pentagon's protest that the drone program was reliable, accurate, and safe. that of course, wasn't true, but somebody had to pay for embarrassing the trump and biden administrations and the u. s. military. and that person was daniel hale. i'm john kerry aku and you're watching the whistle blowers ah.
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2 2 daniel hale is a bona fide american hero. i don't say that lightly. most of you know that a whistle blowers motivation is irrelevant. to be a whistle blower, one must only bring to light, evidence of waste, fraud, abuse, illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. but daniel hale made his revelations because it was the right thing to do. he felt moral and ethical outrage at what he was seeing in his job as a drone operator. and he felt compelled to do something about it. hale release documents that came to be known as the thrown papers to the online news outlet, the intercept. and he spoke out again later in an award winning film called national bird. he said, for example, that during 15 month period in 2012 nearly 90 percent of those people killed in drone strikes were not the intended targets. but civilian bystanders. innocent people killed were classified as enemies killed in action unless proven otherwise.
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we're going to talk about this outrageous case with our guest ray mcgovern re, as a former senior cia officer who's served for 27 years. he was president george h. w bush is morning intelligence, briefer, and was the recipient of the intelligence commendation metal which he returned in protest. re is now a noted activist and is the co founder of veteran intelligence professionals for sanity re welcome to the show, ray, you know, daniel hale personally. so many whistleblowers come to whistle blowing from different points of view. give us an overview of his case. daniel hale was just a guy doing a job. how did all that change? well, he realized that there's a gradation of values to your job. and the one that supersedes all the others is the oath that we all take to support and defend the constitution. united states cancel enemies,
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foreign and domestic. when he saw what we're doing with these jones, and these for oars, his conscience, his conscience, prevail. okay. and when he saw the over 5 month period, this is really clearly indicated in the, in the documents. a 200 people were killed which drones 90 percent like 90 percent or civilians counted as military casualties. now, if my arithmetic is correct, ah, 200 killed a 180 of those civilians. now his conscience told him that he needed to stop that wherever he could do stuff that he knew. and i know this personally a knew the risky was taking it was going to take it anyway. here's the best tradition of whistleblowers. i mean, his far distant predecessor, relative,
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even nathaniel hel member, regret that i only have one life to give for my country. wow. you don't get any better than that. in other words, you know what he was doing when he went into it. like daniel ellsberg, like edward snowden, they fully expected to have to spend the rest of their life in jail for exposing something that their own to the constitution and their conscious dictated that they expose. now, not all of us are up to that. are you or john? but i wasn't. maybe i could give you a negative example of that by and by or during this interview. one of the things that has struck me about daniel hale is how intelligent he is. he's an extraordinarily bright young man. his whistle blowing was calculated. he knew
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exactly what he was getting himself into his revelations, we're not an accident. my point here is that he made a decision to put the stories of untold victims of the drone program and the futures of possible drone victims above his own well being. do you see his situation the same way? he wasn't. the proverbial accidental whistleblower was he? no, he was very deliberate and you know, watching our government for example. i remember very, very specifically that dianne feinstein who is supposed to be on the what were the covey, the a supervisory committee. ah, the committee look, sat a she, i an operations i, she was like showing the overlook committee. and when she interviewed john brennan, sort of like the godfather, in both senses of the word or of this drone program,
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when he was about to become head of central intelligence. she said, oh mr. mr. i wasn't so the sir was was tenant i now know is brenna. okay. lucky she shouldn't. mr brennan ah, it's a wonderful program. i'm told that the number of civilian casualties are are in the single digits it over it is my list. are bunch of a mean but butcher milwaukee or a single digits. well, i just told you, but 151 period 10 percent or 20 it 80 percent of the people killed were actually civilian. so at one and then hell looked at that and saw that the, you know, the, the intelligence committees were not going to reveal what was going on. he
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decided to do it himself. and as to his great credit, that he did that despite risking in prison in prison, where he is now. so you don't get too many people that you owe. and john elsewhere was another. i have to tell you it. snowden said, specifically when he arrived in hong kong his, i know the see i istation is right down the street here. i know. i know they're almost certainly going to get me. but i, i'll do it anyway because i swore nose to the constitution, right. the 4th amendment and the constitution, and that's what i was trying to protect. now in the event it was julian assign sh sarah harrison and others who got him out of their career incredibly artful way that they got him on that referral plane. that's another story. but he lived to tell the tale, and he's got a small family now, 2 little boys and i,
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our wife in moscow. he'd like to be here in this country. but he's proud of what he did. and we needed to know what he did. again, congress did not act as it should have in prohibiting an essay she i and others computer to violate the 4th member of the constitution of united states. when daniel held decided to make his revelations, he went to the intercept. this was actually quite controversial because many national security whistleblowers who have gone to the intercept have found themselves to be sent to trial and then on to prison. and it's a whistleblower reality winner, for example, went to the intercept. they exposed her identity f b i whistleblower terry albury went to the intercept and they exposed his identity, the to national security journalist at the intercept, richard esposito, and matthew cole were the journalist responsible for sending me to prison. the same thing that happened to all of us happened to daniel hale at the intercept. what is
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going on there? are they that unprofessional, or are they somehow connected to the national security establishment? leadership to swollen on bed times when you think it was set up and what was out to do, what has happened? well, you know, the pro vision the pudding. they were unwilling to publish. green walls expose a of the by do laptop story before the last selection. wow. they sat on it they, they wouldn't publish what robert green was had. he had a published himself and he had to leave the ownership a institution that he had him. so co founded now from what i know and no one knows everything about everything of these cases that you just mention. my impression is daniel hale was convinced that he would be found
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out, and that he was willing to pay the price, unlike the others. ah, there is circumstantial evidence that he didn't take the rudimentary precautions that prevent the or the so be sure to call the oregon state security from finding out who you are. so the others i think were really traceable to incompetence or worse daniels. i happen on enough about that to indicate that he was willing to pay the price and he is unwilling to hide for the rest of his life. so i'm not saying it's on his own fault, but he knew that going in and he acted in that way. so his keisha, my view was a little bit different. daniel hale at his sentencing gave one of the most inspirational speeches that i've ever heard in my life in that statement that he
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made, he said, and i quote, i believe that it is wrong to kill, but it is especially wrong to kill the defenseless. i shared what was necessary to dispel the lie that drone warfare keeps us safe, that our lives are worth more than theirs, unquote. he also said that he had to kill a part of his own conscience to do his job. he also paraphrased his ancestor. nathan hale and said, i have but this one life to give in the service of my country. these are incredibly powerful words re at the same time, the prosecutor in this case said, the daniel did not provide a public service. he endangered soldiers. there is, of course, nothing at all to indicate that this was the case. give me your thoughts on daniel hale's legacy. what do you think that will be? well, that's what prosecutors do. of course, they're not above twisting the truth. i'm, i'm reminded when chelsea manning reveal the secret sun,
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our wars in iraq and afghanistan, the inertia complaint from the prosecutors and from everybody else was that we were endangering source, endangering sources and methods. so not only that of people. well guess what? when the head of the fence department at the time fellow my name robbie gate, robert gates was asked to substantiate that he came back and told the head of the senate armed committee armed services committee. 11 was his name. he said, well, you know, we looked into this and there is no evidence that anyone was harmed by virtue of these disclosures. so they couldn't substantiate that anyone's so much was so much a spatter upon in reaction to these truths coming out. so that's always, that's always a technique that the prosecutors use. ah,
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you know what you think about the people? then hale saw being kills or, you know, gathering chest nuts are gathering grapes or whatever it being kills. who are these people? well, the powers that be the john brennan, of this world consider those people well was the germans used to call one to mention one to mention people that own boom boom below the wrench the rest of us mention ok. now, when he talked about his conscience, you know, my conscience is also formed by what we catholics call the preferential option for the poor. and the british, british my good. and the radical made that explicitly clear back in
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1975, when they said, here's what that means is what that means and perfect preferential option for the poor. no one course known as it entitled to accumulate still more or what he doesn't need when are the slacks rudimentary basics of life period and quote. well, the supreme indignity, of course, is being deprived of life without due process nets was happening to 90 percent of those civilians in afghanistan. rock are under that brennan regime. do you remember, john? i think we're sure that every tuesday was tuesday or thursday i think was tuesday, or john brennan borderless to president obama. an atlas j included the names of people who would be a, who would be obliterated by drone steps to kill a week. ok. here can you see it? i mean, here's obama. it's like now john,
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is this fellow ali so and so did you tell me that a so wife of 5 kits? oh miss. personally, we found out that he was having lunch for the suspect, terrorist and lebanon. so i think we get to get him the giant in i'm let's put him at was for him at the bottom of the list and let's look at that again next week. let's, let's, let's kill the other 10. ok, sure. oh yes. service brother. hello. here with us the way it went down and no one, no one was held accountable. the only way we know all this stuff is people like daniel hale, my hats off to him. thanks, ray. you're watching the whistleblowers. stay tuned to hear more from former c. i officer and activist ray mcgovern. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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ah, i'm retentive and i'm here to plead with you, whatever you do. you do not watch my new show seriously by watch something that's so different. my little opinion that you won't get anywhere else. look, if it pleases you to have the state department, the cia weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your facts for you. go ahead, change and whatever you do. don't watch my show, stay mainstream, because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the wayne thing ah, during the 2nd well, when nazi occupied, poland, virginia was a farming region to doing as part of ukraine between 19431945 members of the
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ukrainian insurgent army led by stepan bandera. nasa could thousands of poles in valeria, in a diabolical ethnic cleansing process. the murders were particularly horrific and brutal villages were burned and property looted. the valinda massa is without doubt one of the bloodiest episodes in polish ukrainian history. why al, ukrainian politicians still reluctant to talk about these events, how to modern day ukraine and poland view this tragedy of the past. and why does the memory of albania still divide people. 2 2 ah, welcome back to the whistle blowers. we're talking about the case of american drone whistleblower daniel hale and were joined by former senior cia officer ray mcgovern res. now a noted activist and the co founder of veteran intelligence professionals for sanity. good to have you back re, i want to ask you about people considering becoming whistleblowers,
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especially in the national security arena. i get calls from people with some frequency asking for advice. i'm sure you do to what do you tell people like daniel hale who are struggling with the decision to go public? it's not a secret that the entire weight of the u. s. government will fall on their heads if they go public with their information. i say, if you're in hawaii, fly east or, i mean by that, i mean, the edward snowden had done his homework. he knew that he went, it went to the u. s. or any points west, east for him whenever it was to the o as he couldn't escape being found out and imprison. so he went to hong kong. that's why he went to hong kong to release this stuff, to give it to journalists and have a couple days before they found them. he fully expected to be found, as i said before. so he was able to do this. why?
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because he was smart enough, doubts as smart the system. so i'd say to whistleblower, look, 1st you need to need to decide if you're willing to to risk what might be an in store for you. and if you are, well my, i give you my, my unadulterated encouragement. now, before you go and do this thing a figure out how best to do it and how most securely to do it there all kinds of ways these days are not only wiki linked, but others. so i figured that out and go ahead and do it. and don't be left with the kind of conscience that i have when daniel hale was sentenced in the notorious district court for the eastern district of virginia. judge liam grady shocked everybody by giving him a sentence of 45 months in prison. but judge grady recommended that daniel go to a low security prison where he could be treated for depression and addiction issues
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. the u. s. bureau of prisons ignored that recommendation and instead sent him to the communications management unit of the super max prison at marion illinois. this is one of the 2 most secure and most dreaded prisons in the entire us prison system . daniels now incarcerated with some of the most dangerous people in the world, including terrorists and mafia leaders. what's the message that we should all take from this was the same as your ship. we're giving. we're trying to give with respect to julian assange. we're going to get you. we'll get you going to treat your brutally. we're going to get, you're going to put you in prison. so don't do, don't do what you might be tempted to do what your conscience tells you. you should do. okay. it's this said brutal and those people are running, running, and the judges for guys the, the prison people, the what we call the deep state. all those 3 lower agencies that have purview over our government to include over our president. have to tell you,
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look at what's happening in the ukraine. so, you know, it's really a tough situation and that's precisely now january what visited you in prison. are you able not to end up in these really, really beds bad prisons, but you know, i just finished with this thought about prisons. it was thus they epsky who said, you know, if you want to measure the level of civilization, the given country go visit its prisons, go visit its prisons. we wouldn't shape up very well. and those circumstances daniel will be released from prison, raise some time in early 2024. what can you expect when he gets out? certainly the government will make his post prison life difficult. they do that to all of us. what do you think awaits daniel hale?
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i think you feel the same way you did, john and the others show have done their time. like chelsea manning, i daniel here will be able to get the, the, the a scurvy, so to speak. we cause the candlestick colder for spreading light and dark places of the sam adams association. the same sam adams will be giving him that in person. and he will be welcomed by those of us who know the hardships that he will have endured. and who may myer his courage in facing into that, even though he knew what the risks were and told the truth anyway. so there will be a community, you know, say, i'm thinking john, while you were to prison, there was a mamma's ball, the big celebration on the top, one of the fancy hotels to why she's also to go by john will see
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a later. and when you came back, we welcom, do so, you know, a lot of people, a lot of people still admire, a courage and a feeling of integrity. there'll be those people to, to welcome daniel hale as he gets out of the issue of ridiculous situations in prison. veteran intelligence professionals for sanity, the group that you co founded that's made up of retired officials from the cia f, b i n s a. the military and the british m. i 5, and am i 6 recently gave daniel hale, it's sam adams award for integrity and intelligence. tell us about the award and about why it was so important to honor. daniel, there's no better price for someone. he has a really good predecessors and having that, that ward calling rally from the f b. i was the 1st 120 years ago. okay. 2002. we all know what's happening then she warned about it at other recipients have been
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julian sash. katy manning ah many really courageous folk. so sir, daniel is in this heritage line of 20 people. he being the 20th of stood up to the government and said look, our primary osis the constitution, you're violating it. so we're going to do. we're going to expose what goes on here . ok. now, sam adams already told you out was a person who was extremely bright and had the right answers. ah, what happened to him? well, he was shuns, he were shunned by the agency leadership. i say that a lot of guys, they went to the i g, the inspector general and said, i want, i want to do a complaint on richard helms. so happens to be the head of the cia because he's lying about vietnam,
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because you can figure out how far he got with that. but finally, he got his story out. and guess what was moreland, the general, sued him, sued him and cbs, that did a 90 minute 60 minute segment on the falsification of evidence yet on vietnam, i guess, right? guess who? one more small, the her withdraw from the suit because people coming out of the woodwork say yeah, sam had the guts to say it right. we were repressed. fibers, borlin, we were in the army, we couldn't, we couldn't resist. we needed to get promoted. sam did the right thing, so the whole thing, you know, every down to sam's benefit. unfortunately, sam died early and 52 at 53 years old. from an unexpected heart attack, i suspected that the whole thing was wearing on him and that he was unable to enjoy basking in the glory of what he actually did. and that's like and everybody,
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so don't do that beard to turn. thanks. ray mcgovern for joining us. that's all we have for you today. and john kerry, aka and this has been the whistleblowers. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 ah, ah, nice to come to the russian state. little never, i've side on the north lansky div asking him not getting all sunset for a week within the 55 when. okay, so mine is 2000 speedy. when else about with we will van in the european union the kremlin. yup,
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machine. the state aren't russia today and sports r t sport mckibben our video agency, roughly all band on youtube with blue children at st in residential school, suffered nightmarish levels of abuse, torture and child rape. and yet the office of the attorney general suppressed thousands of pages of police and evidence that identified those perpetrators in the school. i was electrocuted twice. i was only 7 years or just too high for me. so somebody to put me in the chair or by the law warriors to run over here, abuse somebody and run here and she kept solution with himself.
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some of them are. my relatives didn't make it jerking themselves to death, over doses. but yeah, it made me, it made me the person i am today because i'm a baker. i don't give up with anything. investigations were too often handled differently because the deceased was indigenous. so many of the worst criminals got away. the bishop's got away. the ones who done most of the damage never got charged . oh, to western countries are very concerned. the china might be sending russia lisa weapons as a way to help brush us military campaign in ukraine. personally, it's my just personal view on very suspicious of the i don't buy doc to contradicts to what i see. the basic logic of behavior puts on the phone,
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