tree is getting worse, innocent people are dying and there is no understanding of who's killing them. nevertheless, people are working together so that the country can move forward. as always, you can find all the latest news updates, as well as discussion and debate on our website. t dot com. thank you for choosing . ah, one of the most important whistleblowers of this decade is a man who is mostly unknown to the world. daniel hale, a former national security agency intelligence analyst, and member of the us air force, bravely told the world that the u. s. drone war was wildly unreliable and that it was causing the death of an untold number of innocent civilians including women and children. this was despite the pentagon's protest, but the drone program was reliable, accurate, and safe. that of course, wasn't true, but somebody had to pay for embarrassing the trump environment ministrations and the u. s. military and that person was daniel hale. i'm john curiosity and you're

watching the whistleblowers ah, the. 2 2 daniel hale is a bona fide american hero. i don't say that lightly. most of you know, that whistleblowers motivation is irrelevant to be a whistle blower. one must only bring to light evidence of waste, fraud, abuse, illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. but daniel hale made his revelations because it was the right thing to do. he felt moral and ethical outrage at what he was seeing in his job as a drone operator. and he felt compelled to do something about it. hale release documents that came to be known as the drone papers to the online news outlet, the intercept. and he spoke out again later in an award winning film called national bird. he said, for example, that during 15 month period in 2012 nearly 90 scent of those people killed in

drone strikes were not the intended targets. but civilian bystanders. innocent people killed were classified as enemies killed in action unless proven otherwise. we're going to talk about this outrageous case with our guest ray mcgovern re, as a former senior cia officer who served for 27 years. he was president george h. w. bush is morning intelligence, briefer, and with the recipient of the intelligence commendation metal which he returned in protest. re is now a noted activist and is the co founder of veteran intelligence professionals for sanity rape. welcome to the show, ray. you know, daniel hale personally so many whistleblowers come to whistle blowing from different points of view. give us an overview of his case. daniel hale was just a guy doing a job. how did all that change? well, he realized that there's a gradation of values to your job. and the one that supersedes all the others

is the oath that we all take to support and defend the constitution. united states cancel enemies, foreign and domestic. when a saw what we're doing with these drones and these for oars, his conscience, his conscience, prevail. ok. and when he saw the over 5 month period, this is really as clearly indicated in the, in the documents. a 200 people were killed which drones 90 percent like 90 percent or civilians counted as military casualties. now, if my arithmetic is correct, ah, 200 killed a 180 of those civilians. now his conscience told him that he needed to stop that. whatever he could do, stuff that he knew,

and i know this personally, a knew the risky was taking was going to take it anyway. is the best tradition of whistleblowers. i mean, his far distant predecessor, relative, even nathaniel hel, amber. i regret that i only have one life to give for my country. wow. you don't get any better than that. in other words, you know what he was doing when he went into it. like daniel ellsberg, like edward snowden, they fully expected have to spend the rest of their life in jail for exposing something that their own to the constitution and they're conscious, a dictated that they expose. now, not all of us are up to that. are you or john? but i wasn't. maybe i could give you a negative example of that by and by or during this interview. one of the things

that has struck me about daniel hale is how intelligent he is. he's an extraordinarily bright young man. his whistle blowing was calculated. he knew exactly what he was getting himself into his revelations, we're not an accident. my point here is that he made a decision to put the stories of untold victims of the drone program and the futures of possible drone victims above his own well being. do you see his situation the same way? he wasn't. the proverbial accidental whistleblower was he? no, he was very deliberate and you know, watching our government for example. i remember very, very specifically that dianne feinstein who is supposed to be on the what were the covey, the a supervisory committee. ah, the committee look, sat a she i and although operations i, she was like one of the overlook committee. and when she interviewed john brennan,

sort of like the godfather, in both senses of the word or of this drone program, when he was about to become head of central intelligence. she said, oh mr. mr. i wasn't so the sir was was tenant i no, no. was brennan okay. luck to she. shouldn't mr. brennan it's a wonderful program. i'm told that the number of civilian casualties are, are in the single digits over it is my list or bunch of amine, but bunch of milwaukee hurry. single digits. well, i just told you that 151 period, 10 percent, or 20 it 80 percent of the people killed were actually civilian. so at

one and then hale looked at that and saw that the, you know, the, the intelligence committees were not going to reveal what was going on. he decided to do it himself. and as to his great credit, that he did that despite risking imprison imprisonment where he is now. so you don't get too many people that you o. n. john, else break was another. i have to tell you it. snowden said, specifically when he arrived at hong kong, his, i know the c, i istation right down the street here. i'm, they're gonna, i know they're almost certainly going to get me, but i, i'll do it anyway because i swore nose to the constitution, right. the 4th amendment and the constitution, and that's what i was trying to protect. now in the event, it was julie and assign sch, sarah harrison and others who got him out of their career incredibly artful

way that they got him on that error plain that sort of the story. but he lived to tell the tale, and he's got a small family now, 2 little boys in our wife and moscow. he'd like to be here in this country. but he's proud of what he did. and we needed to know what he did. again, congress did not act as it should have in prohibiting an essay she, i and others can continue to violate before its members. the constitution of united states when daniel held decided to make his revelations, he went to the intercept. this was actually quite controversial because many national security whistleblowers who have gone to the intercept have found themselves to be sent to trial and then on to prison. and it's a whistleblower reality winner, for example, went to the intercept. they exposed her identity f b i whistleblower terry albury went to the intercept and they exposed his identity, the to national security journalist at the intercept, richard esposito,

and matthew cole were the journalist responsible for sending me to prison. the same thing that happened to all of us happened to daniel hale at the intercept. what is going on there? are they that unprofessional, or are they somehow connected to the national security establishment? leadership to swollen on bed times when you think it was set up and what it was out to do. what has happened? well, you know, the pro vision, the putting they were unwilling to publish. green was exposed a of the by new laptop story before the last election. wow. they sat on it, they, they wouldn't publish what robert green was had he had a published himself and he had to leave the ownership a institution that he had him. so co founded now from what i know and no

one knows everything about everything of these cases that you just mention. my impression is that daniel hale was convinced that he would be found out, and he was willing to pay the price, unlike the others. ah, there is circumstantial evidence that he didn't take the rudimentary precautions that prevent the or the so be sure to call the oregon state security from finding out who you are. so the others i think were really traceable to incompetence or worse daniels. i happen on enough about that to indicate that he was willing to pay the price and he is unwilling to hide for the rest of his life. so i'm not saying it's on his own fault, but he knew that going in. and he acted in that way. so his case should my view was

a little bit different. daniel hale at his sentencing gave one of the most inspirational speeches that i've ever heard in my life in that statement that he made. he said, and i quote, i believe that it is wrong to kill, but it is especially wrong to kill the defenseless. i shared what was necessary to dispel the lie that drone warfare keeps us safe, that our lives are worth more than theirs, unquote. he also said that he had to kill a part of his own conscience to do his job. he also paraphrased his ancestor nathan hale and said, i have but this one life to give in the service of my country. these are incredibly powerful words re at the same time, the prosecutor in this case said, the daniel did not provide a public service. he endangered soldiers. there is, of course, nothing at all to indicate that this was the case. give me your thoughts on daniel hale's legacy. what do you think that will be?

well, that's what prosecutors do. of course. they're not above twisting the truth. i'm, i'm reminded when chelsea manning reveal the secret sun, our wars in iraq, afghanistan. the inertia complaint from the prosecutors and from everybody else was that where you are endangering source endangering sources and methods. so not only that of people. well guess what? when the head of the science department at the time fellow manian robbie gate, bob robert gates was asked to substantiate that he came back and told the head of the senate arms committee arms services, committee 11 was his name. he said, well, you know, we looked into this and there is no evidence that anyone was harmed by virtue of these disclosures. so they couldn't substantiate that anyone's so much was so much

as spatter upon en route in reaction to these truths coming out. so that's always, that's always a technique that the prosecutors use. ah, you know, where you think about the people? then hale saw being kills or, you know, gathering chest nuts or gathering grapes or whatever and being killed. who are these people? well, the powers that be the john brennan, of this world. consider those people well with the germans used to call one to mention one to mention people that own boom boom below the wrench. rest of us mention ok. now, when he talked about his conscience, you know, my conscience is also formed by what we catholics call the preferential

option for the poor. and the british british micah and the vatican made that explicitly clear back in 1975 when they said here's what that means is that that means a perfect preferential option for the poor. no one quote, no one is it entitled to accumulate still more or what he doesn't need when others slacks rudimentary basics of life, period and quote, well, the supreme indignity of course is being deprived of life without due process. that's was happening to 90 percent of those civilians in afghanistan. rock are under that brennan regime. do you remember, john? i think with that every tuesday was tuesday or thursday, i think was tuesday, the john brennan borderless to president obama and atlas j included the names of

people who would be a who would be obliterated by drone steps to kill a week. ok, here, can you see it? i mean here's one more sec. now, john, this fellow ali. so, and so did you tell me that a so wife of 5 kits? oh miss. personally, we found out that he was having lunch for the suspect, terrorist and lebanon. so i think we got to get him the giant in i'm let's put him as it was for him at the bottom of the list. and let's look at that again next week . let's, let's, let's kill the other 10. ok, sure. oh yes. service brother. hello. that's the way it went down and no one, no one was held accountable. the only way we know all this stuff is, but people like daniel hale, my hats off to him. thanks, ray. you're watching the whistleblowers. stay tuned to hear more from former c i.

officer and activist ray mcgovern. 2 2 2 2 2 2 lou needs to come to the russian state will never be tied as on the nose landscape div asking him then i'll send them up for a week within the 55 when. okay, so mine is the final speed anyone else with will ban in the european union. the kremlin community up machine, the state on russia for date and school r t spoke neck, given our video agency, roughly all band to on youtube with

ah, government has been killing its own people and on bass ideas. it's amazing that vision not being covered in western media hasn't been covered for the last 8 years . i'm here for 5 minutes and then i'm told the 1st 5 people they found it was 5 decapitated heads up in a quarterly request on demand. a boy fos, cathartic, dietary mckinney is me. no fiber to say, keep these on your father law kid, the v. v. inflammation wool. almost all the independent journalists pointed out that nato and the u. s. were directly responsible for initiating the military conflict in ukraine. our casualties of it as long as we want the war to continue. we will fight that more using ukrainians as proxies and we will

fight it to the last ukrainian death. that's what's happened in dumbass this whole time. this is, these aren't objects. these are people that and so that's why i do what i do. that's why i'm here. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offense. very dramatic development. only personally and getting to disease. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk. 2 2 ah, welcome back to the whistle blowers. we're talking about the case of american drone

whistleblower daniel hale and were joined by former senior cia officer ray mcgovern res. now a noted activist and the co founder of veteran intelligence professionals for sanity. good to have you back re, i want to ask you about people considering becoming whistleblowers, especially in the national security arena. i get calls from people with some frequency asking for advice. i'm sure you do to what do you tell people like daniel hale who are struggling with the decision to go public? it's not a secret that the entire weight of the u. s. government will fall on their heads if they go public with their information. i say, if you're in hawaii, fly east or, i mean by that, i mean, edward snowden had done his homework. he knew that he went, it went to the u. s. or any points west, east for him whenever it was to the o as they couldn't escape being found out and imprisoned. so he went to hong kong.

that's why he went to hong kong to release this stuff, to give it to journalists and have a couple days before they found them. he fully expected to be found, as i said before. so he was able to do this. why? because he was smart enough, doubts as smart the system. so i'd say to whistleblower, look, 1st you need to need to decide if you're willing to to risk what might be an in store for you. and if you are, well my, i give you my, my unadulterated encouragement. now, before you go and do this thing a figure out how best to do it and how most securely to do it there all kinds of ways these days are not only wiki linked, but others. so i figured that out and go ahead and do it. and don't be left with the kind of conscience that i have when daniel hale was sentenced in the notorious district court for the eastern district of virginia. judge liam grady shocked

everybody by giving him a sentence of 45 months in prison. but judge grady recommended that daniel go to a low security prison where he could be treated for depression and addiction issues . the u. s. bureau of prisons ignored that recommendation and instead sent him to the communications management unit of the super max prison at marion illinois. this is one of the 2 most secure and most dreaded prisons in the entire us prison system . daniels now incarcerated with some of the most dangerous people in the world, including terrorists and mafia leaders. what's the message that we should all take from this was the same as your ship. we're giving. we're trying to give with respect to julian assange. we're going to get you. we'll get you going to treat your brutally. we're going to get, you're going to put you in prison. so don't do, don't do what you might be tempted to do what your conscience tells you. you should do. okay. it's this said brutal and those people are running, running,

and the judges guys say the, the prison people, the what we call the deep state. all those 3 lower agencies that have purview over our government to include over our president. have to tell you, look at what's happening in the ukraine. so, you know, it's really a tough situation and that's precisely now january, when i visited you in prison, you were able not to end up in these really, really beds bad prisons. but you know, i just finished with this thought about prisons. it was thus they epsky who said, you know, if you want to measure the level of civilization the given country go visit it's prisons, go visit its presence. we wouldn't shape up very well. and did those circumstances daniel will be released from prison,

raise some time in early 2024. what can you expect when he gets out? certainly the government will make his post prison life difficult. they do that to all of us. what do you think awaits daniel hale? i think you feel the same way you do, john and the other show have done their time. like chelsea manning, i daniel here will be able to get the, the, the a scurvy, so to speak. we cause the candle stick colder for spreading light and dark places of the sam adams association. the same sam adams will be giving him that in person . and he will be welcomed by those of us who know the hardships that he will have endured. and who made meyer his courage and facing into that, even though he knew what the risks were and told the truth anyway. so there will be a community, you know, say, i'm thinking john, while you were to prison, there was

a mamma's ball. the big celebration on the top one of the offense is hotel. sure. why she's also to go by john will see a later. and when you came back, we welcom, do so, you know, a lot of people, a lot of people still admire, a courage and a feeling of integrity. there'll be those people to, to welcome daniel hale as he gets out of the ridiculous situations in prison. veteran intelligence professionals for sanity, the group that you co founded that's made up of retired officials from the cia f b i n. s a, the military and the british m i 5. and am i 6 recently gave daniel hale, it's sam adams award for integrity and intelligence. tell us about the award and about why it was so important to honor. daniel. there's no better price for someone . he has a really good predecessors and having that, that ward calling rally from the f

b. i was the 1st 120 years ago. okay. 2002. and that was happening then she warned about it at other recipients have been julian sash manning, many really courageous folk. so sir daniel is in this heritage line of 20 people. he being the 20th of stood up to the government and said, look, our primary osis, the constitution, you're violating it. so we're going to do, we're going to expose what goes on here. now, sam adams already told you was a person who was extremely bright and had the right answers. what happened to him while he was shuns, he were shown by the agency leadership. i sent

a lot of guys, they went to the i g, the inspector general and said, i want, i want to do a complaint on richard helms. so happens to be the head of the c. i a because he's lying about vietnam because you can figure out how far you go with that. but finally, he got his story out and guess what was moreland, the general showed him, sued him, and c. b. s. did a 90 minute 60 minute segment on the falsification of evidence yet on vietnam. and guess who i guess who one was moment withdraw from the suit because people coming out of the woodwork saying yeah, sierra had because to say it right. we were repressed by we're spoil and we were in the army. we couldn't, we couldn't resist, we needed to get promoted. sam did the right thing, so the whole thing, you know, read down to sam's benefit. unfortunately, sam died early fifties at 53 years old from an unexpected heart attack.

i suspect that the whole thing was wearing on him, and he was unable to enjoy basking in the glory of what he actually did. and i and everybody. so those that beards return thanks ray mcgovern for joining us . that's all we have for you today. and john kerry, aka, and this has been the whistleblowers. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 ah ah the claims of the king of the belgians leopold the 2nd to the congo were finally

authorized by the leading european countries in 1885. in the very heart of the african continent. a state under the rule of the belgian monarch was declared. since the beginning, the congo free state was total may him for the local population and functioned as a universal concentration camp. the majority of the population, including women and children, were forced to work on the rubber plantations. those who failed to fulfill their quota were beaten and mutilated to keep the congolese people under control. the king set up the so called forest bleak which were punitive detachments that cast terror on the captured country and its inhabitants. fearing that their subordinates would simply waste bullets hunting for wild animals. the officers demanded that the soldiers gave an answer for every bullet use, and as proof presented

a chop hand of an african, it was not uncommon when trying to justify the use of the ammunition. the colonist amputated the hands of not only those who were dead, but also of those who were kept alive. the atrocious exploitation of the congo turned into a real genocide. in only 20 years, the policy of the belgians led to the death of nearly 10000000 people alongside the holocaust. that genocide of the congo population is considered to be one of the grimmest pages in the history of mankind. a rec center that i'm here to plead with, you, whatever you do, you do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. my little opinions that you won't get anywhere else. work of it please. i do have the state department, the cia weapons, bankers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations. choose your facts for you, go ahead,

change and whatever you do. don't watch my show, stay mainstream because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact. but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you think . as russian forces edge closer to capturing the key city as altima school back, he examines the scorched been done by retreating. ukrainian troops destroyed critical infrastructure to hinder the russian and bond. with the head of a neo nancy group, it claimed responsibility for a deadly attack in a russian border region admit, the operation was coordinated with the ukrainian military on china. say that were few things to be bullied by country that seeking to impose their own domestic laws on other nations.