for 4 months, what can i do? i only hope for help from god. the financial situation is a disaster and all of the garza, some families haven't paid me for 4 months, but i have no choice but to continue to work like this. i can't leave the children there, dangers from the sun. he in traffic and i would be held accountable if something happened. i hope for a solution. lottie spoke with the father of one of the pupils who takes the donkey ride and he says that living in such poverty is no existence at all. ah, when in fargo, we send the kids by john key because we are poor. we can't afford to pay for a boss to take them to school. we'll leave on social aid and we haven't received any for the past 6 months. and it's not just for me. the entire neighbourhood is the same. sometimes children come home injured from fallen off the car, it will call upon the ministers to help us. would they allow their children to ride on? don't ye? courts will call out to the world especially posted in authorities. look at us with an i have mercy. were not living where dead like this was quite the sad story that

to finish this hour on for any more on the news that you've just seen this out to check out our website r t dot com. i'm peter scott, and i'll be back again with another rundown of all the latest and around about 30 minutes time. thanks for watching with ah. hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter labelle . the west is self centered egotistical, and very unaware. this is particularly true when it comes to the conflict in ukraine for the west. ukraine is some kind of moral crusade for the rest of the

world. ukraine is a crisis created by the west and they don't want to have anything to do with it. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast to gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, across to pepe escobar, he's an independent geo political analyst and author specializing in eurasia. right, journaling cross that rules and fact, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i would appreciate it for, let's start out with that be here in moscow, a lot has been made of the international reaction to russia's military operations and ukraine. and i think we all have to read the west is sorely disappointed because people have not got on board with condemning russia now. we had just a few days ago trying to came out with its own proposal to resolve the conflicts, more or less blown off by the west, very much like the west of russian demands before the conflict started in december

. the lead demands that were made in december of 2021. so what, how do you account for this? i mean, do they no longer believe the western not afraid of the west, they don't hold the same values as the west. how do you see it? well, 1st of all, i am in moscow for one week. now, for me is an enormous privilege to be here because i'm learning so much. i'm talking to a wide spectrum from the highest levels to the men in the streets. and obviously if you are in the west or even if you are in asia, it's absolutely possible you have to be here. i see it as the capital of the 21st century and i wrote about it. well, 1st of all, let me concentrate on treat bricks. very, very important. i will say that these 3 bricks apart from russia are on the forefront of what might be our emerging will to polar world. and their reactions are very different. apparently, china in brazil are interested in playing

a role of mediators, but there's an enormous problem. china releases the very detailed piece. glenn 12 point b splash, which of course chinese diplomacy new will be rejected by the west, but the global south speed, the tension. and for the global south, china is a responsible global power offering our way out a peaceful way out, which is that directly link to good chinese, the concept of community of shared benefits form and kind prosperity form in brazil wants to pose as the mediator. but we have lula visiting abiding in washington and lighting up the christ, the redeemer stature, with the ukranian flag real and worse, voting against russia at the us. so what was the russian reaction? love rove?

master diplomat said, we understand that the situation of the brazilian goal at the moment, which is true because of rob knows that little as margins of maneuver is like this . and brazil has been taken hostage by globalist sorrows davosto by them and destruction altogether. but because deputy foreign minister, he actually said what the russian sink, your mediation proposal is basically irrelevant. we're not paying attention to paying attention to here in moscow to rush through china, sorry, and india, india of course. in the, the other 3 of the other 3 large bricks are influential bricks. the position is much more new, whence india is in theory. but the diplomatic support behind russia, as we saw it during the g 20 in new delhi. and of course, the trade volumes between ended russia, which keep going up,

especially on the energy sphere show that angel understands the russian one of the fish and all these leading fluids just as the rest of the global south. glad peter, it's really interesting. these countries that believe in a multiple, a polar world are actually behaving that way because they're not in st. george campaign. go right ahead. well, yeah, i was wondering because i am we, we talked about on india's role in the g 20 on the gaggle. a couple of days ago and it seemed like india had failed. i mean, it is a fail to step up to the plate to act as an independent grade power. it has failed because the it prepared a joint statement for the g. 20. apparently unaware that by copying and pasting 2 paragraphs strongly barley communicate, that would be fine. and but not only did russia say we're not going to accept least

the least 2 barrows, but so did the china. so basically there was no joint a statement, and that was really down to india because if india really wants to be, as they present themselves, the voice of the global south, much more so than china, the voice of the global south than india could. and should have insisted that we will only discuss those items on the agenda that are important to get over the global south with namely, food prices, fertilizer prices, energy prices, debt relief, ah, pharmaceuticals, patterns and all that kind of stuff. but in the didn't do that, and so i just wonder why didn't india do that? and there are rumors going around that india is now under pressure from long george soros. and where sorrows goes, there goes the united states and they want to get rid of movie. they don't thing movies sufficiently with the program. and that india has been intimidated as we

know before that the answers and this is going on at the same time we're trade between india in russia is growing leaps and bounds almost over the course of one year, a unique, huge energy relationship. so kind of echoing george's question here, i mean, on the diplomatic one, think they were there was some trepidation on other all other brands. it seems like china is already made its decision. pepe. well peter and george angel was in the same position in new delhi as indonesia was in body going to just 20 in body. they were and 3 men to spread aggressive pressure from the combined west, including of course, vonda relying are representing the european union and european commission as well. so the dangers are it's interesting because what i heard here in more school,

from sources close to diplomatic sources, is that they also understand the indian position and la rog, talk to jason car before john love and josh and kind of they had a fantastic, bilateral meeting before the beginning of the, of the g to the knew that foreign ministry, some, it would be hijacked by the west again. and of course, what you did try to do in the final declaration was i would say i was strategic. it was not very, very clever. it was a copy and paste job. in fact, they should have come up with a different decker, but they knew they came with their own final declaration dress. it would be immediately rejected. so they tried to look at it both ways. you did, it didn't work because it didn't work. it look like a shot. the job. you're absolutely right. both of you. but at the same time they are postponing and you know,

let's see the clash because they know the clash is going to happen in a few months from now after she's a visit to moscow. and during and immediately after the brick summit in south africa in august. so we have a low at the moment after august i think that the west is going to go completely off scale off rails in terms of freak out. because then we're going to see the situation in the boss turning completely against a what's the point of the g 20, then let's no point. i mean it isn't quite 57 can show up. and hijacking they already have the keys up. and so why haven't i, for me, is that you can really and that's what's going to happen. and like we only had one voice from the west so far, basically saying that g 20 is that was all done. posts are when both of those are

at the end of december he wrote 2 very, very sharp and, and basically advice to credit suisse clients. and he actually said that, look, instead of saying briggs 5, i came up with just 7 of these. this is the, the g 7 that really matters and it's going to be an expanded is going to be unexplained. the g 20 love rob said this week there are over 2 dozen candidates want to getting to bricks plus, so it's not a doesn't anymore. everybody wants to get into bricks plus a during the vault this week. here i heard this from arabs as well. every body in the arab world wants to be part of bricks. so, so this is the new saying that it again, it could be diluted. i'm not really sure of the point here and then it ends up being a dinner club. george, i quite agree. it does just become a dinner club and the, you know, particularly as the, you know, the g 7 as you say,

b to dominate. and really, this is where the problem is, i mean, well, the united states has laid down, but particularly with the sabotage over the north stream. pipelines is that, you know, this isn't going to tolerate some kind of a new ordering of the world dominated by, you know, china's built and road initiative. and so that, that just simply going to accept this. and therefore, the night states will go ahead and sabotage it in whatever way it can. and that's why when in india comes along and sort of essentially wants to play both sides well we part of the quad. but we're also the voice of the global south. and then when, unfortunately, the countries that are clearly in the us cross says and but still make nice with the u. s. and i'm thinking of particularly the,

the countries of central asia and who will obviously be part of the built and road initiative then. and i am not quite so sanguine as to you know, how successful this new venture will be? well, we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't know. we don't know how a brick splice is going to be expanded. i love rob already said many times, we need serious discussions before august. the summit in south africa to finalize the mechanism. this is going to be very complicated because now they are also dealing with an amputated bricks member, which is brazil. brazil for the moment is not the be in brazil should be, may be in the short term bell or ruse or believe your brazil for the moment is that in terms of a bricks actor. unfortunately, i have to, i had to recognize this after many red alerts from, i know lula for instance. but, and now it's that, that's it. you know, it's lost at least for the moment. but the most important thing is the parallel

pass being followed by china, russia in india, for instance india. they are concentrated not on the bell to roll the concentration on international or south transportation corridor, which is russia. iran in india, you run becoming a member of bricks like they are becoming a member of the i c o. we going to have a mag push, and this is already something that i heard most of this week. ok, i mean we got to go to a hot breaking that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on some real ah ah, with a with,

[000:00:00;00] with a welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter. well, this is home edition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, let us go back to georgia in budapest year. i me in the west always plays the same tune either you're with us or you're against us. now, the ukraine is turned into an epicenter for a lot of different things. reason why we're doing this program here. is it ok?

maybe you know, there are countries that are, are, are take, trying to take a middle road like india. but i, in the slide is, is very, very evident, is it more and more countries in the global self, the global majority are saying, now we're going to sit this one out and there are consequences for it and everyone's bracing for it. but if you, if the u. s. wants to sanction the entire world that it's a futile struggle. george. a, we're at a tipping point of some of some nature. yes, i mean there's a, there's no question. i think that i owe you the rest of the world has indeed the sad know when all guy guy come home with the sanctions, this isn't our fight. this is, you know, this is a european problem, not a global problem. you want to present as a global problem, but is clear, i mean, that the united states, particularly on the bible, who knows what, what hands of is presenting a very much a dividing line in the world. i mean,

you know, biden is a very divisive president, and just as he's doing a very divisive, i think in the united states are the, you know, the, these of, of the scum, the, unacceptable. and these are the accept, or he's done much the same thing in the rest of the world. and he's saying, you know, you, you have to choose, ah, which side you're on. and it's not like is okay, fine, we'll do what we want. they're going to come at you if you don't follow the line and we go, we have the color revolutions always on hand. we've got all the sanctions always on hand, and we have a regime change. i mean, the very fact that they're trying to push a modi out, i mean, mowdy was been me a very, very delicately a boy in his relationship. she, that is essentially with the united states. they are going to really say you have to join with us. if not, then things are going to be very bad for you. will pepe way in on that because, you know,

there's been so many countervailing forces in play here. we have votes at the united nations, but love the countries and voted against russia. the united nations want new trade relationships here. i mean, there's so many different things going on simultaneously. i mean, is it maybe that a lot of these countries, things in the u. s. and its allies can control the plain called diplomacy, but then the rest of it, it's just, it's, it's puffin. we're going to go do what we're going to do because they aren't in engaging in sanctions on the police. and they political around, they seem to go along, but what, what really counts, they say, no, we're not going to get involved. i mean, how do a fair characterization? i think it in different latitudes, and this is another saying that struck me here on the side lines of all die in law school talking to turks, pakistanis arabs, iranians. the more or less you could feel that they were saying, look, some things big is going to happen. so we don't know exactly what it is. so we have

to get to be ready for all sorts of scenarios. for them. the number one scenario is charades among them in eurasia, including the arabs as well, and trying to bypass us sanctions. and of course, the underlying issue trying to bypass the west dollar in the long run. everybody knows this is a very long process, but the train has already left the station. at the same time this, this means concentration on pre corridors. so in terms of south america is america sort of trade core. in terms of russia, you run in the international more south which are hungry ramifications to the caucasus as well. and central asia from india, africa to stand in central asia. and the angels are very much looking terms of enhanced trade for them. let's see the engine version of the silk roads. and at the same time, china already said from at the start of the,

the silk or the new. so groups are back this year. there's going to be b, r i summits in beijing later this year as well. this means that chinese investment not only across the erasure but west asia, what we call you used to be the middle of these and africa and latin america are going up. you know, if anybody is concentrating on 3 because they're just seconds. if you allow, they know that the american plan a, from our wong is going to be a mix of c, r e, a covert ops and attempts that regime change all over the planets lead through. well george, i mean, i thought it was all about democracy. the doctor said, yes, it's anything yet that maybe he's going to get to it. you get my point towards it, right though i think that that's right, and i think that's why i'm there. is it a god of geopolitical global struggle?

i mean it's, it's, it's as acute as at any time during the cold war, ah, you have the, basically, the russia, china block of it for the time being that is a block in or with. it actually becomes a military alliance or not. but you know, it's kind of, it is a block now, and then you have the basically native land and its various, some adjuncts around the world, such as japan. this, this nato land blog isn't going to allow russia, china blog to somehow dominate and say, oh, just, you know, continue trade and, and the, and, and, and so, and, and they become our, our infrastructure, our insulin, they're not going to do it. i mean, they, you know, we've seen, you know, how they act with like north stream they saw north stream as a big, big geopolitical threat to them. that's why they were set out to destroy it. and as seymour hersh pointed out, the plan was in place, even before of february, the 24th i was they saw this is

a serious threat. that's how they're going to see the, you know, you know, in the future with anything to do with the belt and road initiative. so ultimately, many countries are gonna have to decide, you know, the conscious allow russia to do all the heavy lifting. and then they can just sit and twiddle their thumbs and say, well, i'm gonna, you know, be here with, with the, the quad one minute. and then i'll be a, a, with, with the russians the next minutes sir. it is, i think, is going to be very acute of geopolitical struggle. you know, it's something peppy, something that georgia i've talked about in our podcast to gaggle. is it, it, this is the 1st time in our life term that a great power. what a great power is challenging another, a great power directly. you always avoid that because if you do that, you could lose ok. when you go to you do it to proxy, you know, you know, you know, put boyer pipelines and all that kind of stuff. you know, but i mean when you're going toe to toe, that's a no, no,

you shouldn't do that because it can spell. disaster pepe. well, we're not dealing with iraq, afghanistan, lee b and more. and we're not dealing with the beginning. the middle part and the ending of the war on terror. we all knew that that was an absolutely fake concept from top to bottom right to justify something that they wanted to do in the 1st place, which is they go over is lumnick lance. that happened to be very rich in energy or minerals or bulbs. now it's a different story. now it's the ultimate markeen, the media spike. when brzezinski you know what we have our own whole list of jo politicians nightmare. we have not only one peer competitor in eurasia, we have a strategic alliance of to be, are competitors. and they are very strong individually not to mention together. so

can you imagine in, in those the very, very narrow minds, across the beltway, who were born, grew walk and live through my kinder, all their lives? no one there. they're freaking out. because this is the real deal. this is a system and the emergence of an alternative system all over the world. the emergence of the global sauce in one hand, but also the emergence offer and sha'n't powers that are coming back to the forefront on the table. in the case of china, they had a small interval of 150 years, which in their millionaire histories, nothing. so they're back to the position that they were for most of recorded history. and the case of russia, russia was always a big power for the best 500 years, at least. so for the, for us is also, and of course, the rest of the global south or north. okay. okay. at least we have a sort of vang ward with the stripping of any ideological reference. but russia and

china are the vanguard nowadays for the rest of the planets, trying to find a more equitable. and obviously, as you said, for the elite, the atlanta system leads. this is beyond an optimal, right? it because george, i mean that the west is always betraying. it is some kind of ideological struggle. and, and the, when they look at, you know, the cheap minutes and i think they're real of postwar, europe prosperity, a lot, a lot of largest security. and they did it off of russian energy. so i mean that's why india say, hey, we might do that too. i said that's not a bad, bad way of approaching china also here. but that because the west always covers everything in ideology. i think it for a lot of people in the south it's i have no idea what you're talking about. ok. i, we, we, we want to pull the bought a property. i don't know what you're talking about, what we know what we want to do, george? yeah, that's very interesting. but when one side is india logical,

i think the other side also has to up the ante a raise the game and make it illogical as well as happened during the cold war. i mean, you had, you know, the etiology of the, the communist world. so the non communist will have to come up with an alternative, idiology will roster. karl popper, i'm home, i'm going to was all you created this ideological mix of this is the west the anti communist west. so i think something of the, of the sort is happening now, and it's russia, once again, that's articulating an alternative etiology. i mean, where. busy was it the decadence of the west, the exploitative of neo colonial west? ah, national silver in a j, a basically the respectful, the un charter. it's a, it's a kind of a logical mix that the, the russians are cobbling together. we don't fully see the how it's going to shape up, but i think you have to, if one side is waging an ideological spike. well, i mean, maybe we've got 45 seconds here,

but okay. because the westman makes it id logical, i think george's right, because these are rules rules based order woke, isn't all that there is going to be a i think a fundamental and unified reaction to that. and it's in the cards. go ahead, pepe. yes. well, the chinese concept, this community for a shared future for mankind, which when you break it all down it's, it's peaceful warden, isaiah and peaceful trades and peaceful relations according to the un charter, which is not respected by the west as a whole, especially by united states and the russians have the constant of greater eurasia partnership, which is basically a unified eurasia, including the peninsula called europe. everybody doing trade? allah, a lot, china, right. which is something that puts, he proposes a 2007 at the munich security conference and nobody paid attention so that they intersect in what they would like to have in terms of, of

a new system. and as you said, and george are almost out of time, but it can be boss and they will never accepted it. it is absolutely right. you know illegal, you ration landmass that little part on the and the in there that's called europe. and that's how it's going to become irrelevant. that's all the time we have. i want to think, my guess in budapest and here in mosque, i want to thank our viewers for watching us. here are the see you next time. remember russell's ah ah ah, when i was wrong when i just don't want to see how you see an engagement with the trails

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