unity in the face of threats like climate change and ban them x the summit in new delhi followed refusals by india, china, and those representing the majority of humanity to vote for un resolution demanding russia be defeated in the u. s. as proxy war through ukraine. joining me now as a politician for prime minister moody's ruling bar at the edge, another party or b j. p in india and like moody he supports the major line on ukraine, doctors of romanian swami form a cabinet minister and 6 term regis. i'm p as in new delhi. thank you so much sobriety of her coming back on. i mean, last time you were on the show, there you are slamming u. k. colonialism. and now, now you seem to be completely supporting your old colonial master. the britain. and the european colonial must is on the ukraine proxy war. what do you got against this rise of the global south? finally, winning the day? yeah. well 1st of all, the britain is following the american light. and then i'm not pulling britain

a more list. in tandem with the americans are not bog down there. the fundamental question is that a green is a independent united nations member, and there has been a crossing of our soldiers army and so on, by a country which is considered as one of the permanent members of the supreme. now the security council, it is so and, and she did that so now and there are, i think it would be, must be, i mean, you can't allow a country to reach or to the defense less in the circumstances. so you don't buy it as a whole, you don't see at all what other countries in the global south do, which was this was nato encroachment in the east and that there was a qu, we have the phone call, evidence of victoria newland now in the biden state department, you don't believe there was a clue that led to this situation. you don't believe that they blew up the north

stream pipelines, applying energy to europe, that this was plant. as a 1st of all, the unraveling of the soviet union was by mutual consent a single by j participate in all agreed. so and it crane became a member of the united nations. and now if the, you know, you, you and i had maybe, if you had done any of those times that are being mentioned, and i'm not saying that i know for sure either way. but the fact is that good, that would have been big enough with the united nations. and it was, it was a resolution of them in school codes that became un security council resolution 2202. i mean they're, you're being quite equivocal. so you are supporting moody's line, which is neither knowing the side in a way what it is. more pros or russian and chinese and a to states and which is that russia should regard strokes from your pain. and then

we can talk all the, all the complaints that are there that can be taken up at that stage, but not then you sent troops across it, across the international boundary. so you don't just think that since the u. s. lead, who in 2014, the continued attacks on don bass. you think russia should just have allowed them to erase those who spoke russian in dorm bus? as we know for merkel in the midst codes were a way of them arming to fight don't bass. and the issue is not that the issue is the use of the army to cross a international boundaries. and there is not the issue of what was wrong. the opinions did not show that one stage. there was a person who was their president and he was doing all kinds of things. but the

fact of the matter is the, there are some ground rules of the united nations and you don't trust the national boundary. and i shall, i don't think i made a big issue international issue because being in the, are the new, the russians. i, the problem, the kind that you just mentioned in ukraine. will them, why do you think it is that the majority of humanity is represented at the united nations? don't vote the u. s. is way in numbers, numerical terms, of course they do follow and of course, people in the global cell call them vessel states that follow washington. but those that represent the majority of humanity, india, china, the big, the big countries that you have sent it, they didn't, they don't go along with the view that russia should just immediately withdraw. and this has to happen before any negotiations happen. why? prime minister india has done my little distance by saying the washer,

this is not time for war. you should, in the war, even that the russians are not agreeing. so i won't say india is not on the opposite side. in the, in fact, i thank you again for the fact that they assisted us to evacuate all our students. and they're rated as the, our numbers here. and they are fully active here. but the fact is that indian position is not, i mean indians trying to, we will, it's in this, and i say you, you lose both ways. in this, you've got to take a stand. i know you're with the russians are, you know, with the americans and your sand is clearly with the americans. is, does that mean that in a sense, your supporting the old order because it's been said many times as you know at the shang, i cooperation, organization meetings, at bricks, meetings all across latin america or africa, southeast asia. that

a new world is coming. that the days of iraq, syria libby, afghanistan, that those interventions are over. and i don't know whether you similarly condemned . of course, the americans and the british for invading afghanistan, libya, iraq and syria. so i don't understand, let me tell you that, that chill, the chinese walked across the mutually agreed line of actual control and to our land in, in the dark i was suppose, considered as one of the best friends of china in india. i of course, have specialized in china. i speak chinese, a written books on the chinese economy, and i like them, they watch, but what they did, they left us all speechless. they're just crossed. and joe took, or they didn't just ross viewed the indians a took him to the armor, i think was i think no, no lack in the sixty's utilize. you know,

going back to what you were talking about. the 2020. i'm talking about 2020. when it was all agreed that there would be when $995.00, we agreed to a line of actual control which is legally are a no solve the problem of the border. but they said that we will not, i will to wall for this and we'll talk so to lend the status or as it existed, then i will draw a line of action control the chinese mileage of that and crossed it in 2020 you know, as of the blank is going to love, i love the said the clearly he's going to want you to be prime minister. so you think china has just gone along with the fact that there are how many bases us basis surrounding surrounding china. and you think china was fine with the 28 in the u. s. newton corporation deal. the 2016 logistics exchange. memorandum of

agreement in the u. s. to just 16. 2017 yearly equipment for military agreement. all these is the enemy here is basically become the vessel state that australia, new zealand, japan, south korea, you know, on the face of it, you know, this, i'm a looks like that, but i am not, i am so told you that i would never be no state china except when they found that there brushed the line. and at that time i played a major role in the going off with mr. nothing more hours. prime minister in having a line of actually control. and yeah, but i mean, i might say china is to lenient on india and after those deals should have said the original agreement that was signed in the ninety's should be really tight. india is become part of the problem. well yeah, i see it as far as china's problem with taiwan. we're not supporting. i want as a,

as an independent country. we are not sure if she's in. we then in dollar fee to technically oh, there is a well, no, actually, that's washington falls. and no, no, in reality they have a huge presence in iraq. and they're a huge presence. a in, in hong kong to, i mean, in the commercial sense. but i'm washington recognizes tie what i do not go beyond. you know, there's a limit to which i support the united states to country. i'm very familiar with them and it's easy to talk to them. and i read they are more frank and straightforward. i had done much of a great difficulty medic. and every one of their publications made out there was an agent america. and then later on there began saying it was in china. so these are, these are cheap things that i said politicians. but the fact is that i come back

to the question, you have crossed the international line. now before that is like the fight, nothing, as we discussed, this is how i would approach the said the same as you when germany recognized gray . sure. in the sort of us level, i didn't because of that. well, that's the same thing. i'm going to just say you just said is the limit. you said there's a limit. what of the united? i know that russian oil imports to india hit a record high for february from the figures only this week. if biden blew up all the pipelines and all the transportation links of gas energy to india. would that be the limit like he's allegedly, despite the americans not being very happy with i had you know that i don't you become a basil stanley yarnel posted even on the united states is the middle would love. i love to be on good relations of russians. i admired that my expectations,

i learned a lot of economics because you had brilliant mathematicians. ah, but then they know now it's not that any more. ah, it say, i'm not the world is seeing their russia as a junior partner of china. well, i mean, i, china and russia don't say that that's the case of his he, china needing russian energy resources, doctors over money. why me? i'll stop you there more from the veteran b, j. p. politician out of his brain. ah very dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very katy killed time. time to sit down and talk ah

ah ah ah, welcome back. i'm still here with dr. super money and swami. 6 term roger saba, m p in india's ruling b j. p. you tweeted your 10000000 followers that india basically should follow them all these boots on the so called new communist party run nepal. this is the kind of resolution a that should be supported. russia and immediate would rule what,

why this was in india be part of a team like the mall leaves and boots on in the pool instead of, instead of russia, china of africa, vietnam, bangladesh, cuba, pakistan, all these other countries representing a well social affinity on their bar don, i was she lanka, it's, i don't think the book john and them all leaves voted that way against russia because they thought that to do you don't think washington told them they, they went against india and that was something which never happened before. are you be treat him as for like you mentioned 3 lanka there. i india. i mean, i don't know how much a leverage the i m f and world bank have. we've got john perkins, the economic k confessions of an economic hit man on the show. soon and he talks about how the world bank and i m f, treat developing world countries. and now you've been celebrating sir lanka, again,

getting into debt into the washington institutions. what have you got against the bricks bank? bridge rank by they are hours or heard the president position out by the minister of india, but i took the stand that died left harder to india. now understanding yet while getting out in their new their breaks bank to new delhi, i would be happy to it. what is the good it, what i'm saying is there's not are there's no biased hostility, any of the countries which i'm a posey. i met from shopping the chair here and out of his way because i didn't want any government issued at that time except of that member of parliament. and then i, i, i felt a read the chinese did what the other chinese, as it read me as a president didn't don't. and this has created a thing on which i have to take the indian stand, a national,

a national interest stand. and i've been on a harsh me on china, i will china also we gates all these areas and we can go back to being with friends and then how, how is it going to hate these areas which they say are there is now, if we're politicians like yourself continue to appear to be vast. so politicians of the security state of the united states again and again, you don't need to recognize what leverage with the chinese formulas just been saying this week. they see this existential threats by nato. the military bases with the massive american spending for base is all around the global self from like from 1972 to about 2005. i would say china is much more of a vessel united states state than we ever ever. we. the fact is that we are not

arrest and state law. it's not going to provoke me to feel bad about it because you are known as a i know you're very much liked in india as a, as a command. and i, when you, when you are was and because i think you're going to be chased to your union, this also can be traced to us so that, that, that so what i'm saying is, please don't get into this question of extremes. i'm not for a mass instead. i'm not for an enemy. i would be happy to with them in the chinese had not come and take an hour in 2020 hours. that would have been quite different. and justifiably, so today i cannot sell the idea that shock and but you know, will kill people in i say, the vast majority of indians want us to cite you play. arguably, the vast majority of indians may be going on strike in the,

of the largest strike in history. the farm, the farm is about to go out. again. you mentioned actually in the diaspora as you say, i am of a d and ancestry, but it's also common that reasonably common that people have indian ancestry that embrace the colonial masters. and i don't know what you think of issues to next policy. so you agree with richie so neck clearly that we must support nature. we must supple washington at all costs. what do you think of the fact? uranium imports for exploding you is continuing to import. i'm always in the is paying for the bullets from russia because the massive a record oil buying by india. but the united states and you is paying for the russian war as well to the russia. if you today, india had an alternative. ready we would stop by for marcia. ah, you'd want it to stop buying energy from russia. i'm

a small country called ukraine. then you really don't care for the deal. is he and? and then i'd be happy to re evaluate our positions. we. we are with the united states, not because the united states is always a be out of out of state. we refuse to have them on the stand. they wanted us to be true. they said they will use this and not that free of charge. we said no, we will not participate with troops in palestine. a united states continues to give weapons to pakistan, but still, there are circumstances which have been created by which we need to be really better relations with united states. 3rd thing is the average union find it much more valuable to go to united states to study than any other alert. and so we have to maintain some really good relations with the united states so that people can go and learn about sciences in the united states. so, i mean,

there are so many factors. you see, you're putting it in black and white and that you're right. but i'm saying the issue is not black and white, we can tomorrow become a united states, but i don't see any way the americans have harmed our national interest in any way . we don't think that the chinese have, and the chinese seem to control the russians because the russians language and a and it's behavior recently in our bilateral meetings about what china has done to india is very, very negative. as far as we are concerned, though not natal, according to prime minister moody, is saying, i don't know if you're just are you going to join the congress party? you sound a little gun, leila. don't, don't say to my enemies who are constantly trying to send me to the a the congress party. i'm in the process of sending sonya going to the jail on

a production charge along with the sun. yes. yeah, and i said everyone, when you're on the same side, when you want to be fated in washington, arguably there's a china piece deal, and i recognize what you said about in the not sending troops to afghanistan and not joining in the destruction of the beer of syria of iraq, tens of millions. i don't know how vocal you were against the u. s. foreign policy . india certainly was. but isn't that the point is an arc of history and what the render moody is doing today? joining with china with, although lula, president, lula brazil has been on this program in america, they do talk about their learning from a dying m. no. none of these are decisive factor if you want to know ation in 20 o 8 the deal, same between india and the united states. what do you think china is going to do? allow india to launch nuclear weapons that may g? yes, you're talking about the line of actual control after you by our territory,

you're going to have more you nuclear weapons and put them facing india. i don't mind that. i think i think the in him in the and i can pull in that just because we had a piece. in fact, my do a lot of people in india was that really when saying that you will harm our nuclear weapons program by this one of the conditions that the american that what would you know fed disarray our progress in moving towards a nuclear arsenal. you see because we are, if you are able to tell what it decided to hang up for the nuclear weapons, i think so. we have 60 percent. it was her. i told him, and you would have been a totally different situation. all that we give up for the sake of new care for electricity. so i will not say that they, the chinese should have been they should have been happy that the americans are. ready for one of our nuclear program. yeah. and so india

has been continually since 20 o 8 through the 2, thousands moving in a way that is going to alarm anyone opposed to washington foreign policy, whether it be in the middle east, in north africa, all over may i just want to know back to back to you grain and we've got to remember bricks used to be ricks, russia, india, china, before it became briggs. do indians don't even know about the victorian newland phone call? can they did they not gone on to you tube and heard victorian ulan choose who is going to lead ukraine after the u. s. back who, which was the start of this current proxy war. wow. only you would take us seriously. i will not see. and do indians take seriously the idea, the joe biden, antony blinking jake sullivan, victoria newland, and the caea bomb the north stream pipeline. is that

a different h and, and when we actually are being well, it's kind of important, isn't it that given that the biggest central fire or something that it's important, something that we will put it into our computer for future. notice it's by design, something that we get, get it all by. if somebody says that we will decide who will be what and so on. well, i'm pretty sure 9, i would do more than that if india's pipelines in india. and i don't see why i don't see why china just back and do what we had agreed in 1995 and then change the whole climate. you know, we've been through like the previous interview where what your doing is in effect, divide and rule by washington. if you continually isn't that what moody has recognized that imperial powers, imperial washington realizes they can split the joint power powers of india and

china. and you are falling into that trap. maybe it's your american education. we are. it's just, i mean, i value that the education i was taught then by law my lawyer and became a famous man in economics, thanks to them. but the fact is that a, i b had extremely good relations with china. from 1952. 1962. we gave up our claim. i mean, we were offered the national, the security council, a holding seat, which is really after china became communist, near reagan said we can give it to them. we turned it down and campaigned every year that it should be given to china and signed the treaty against everybody's wishes on to match in b being so saying to bedford, we autonomous. we said not the biggest part of china,

and miss so much bye in 2003 said even it would be our truncated and it would be and the chinese have done that. they have broken parts of it, get it done to grow in so, or something in situ, on it like that. now to read is a much smaller place. so all these we were going along with our but the coming and the baking, the mutually agreed treatment. a g, g and then cross across and take these areas and meds as indian soldiers, i've been in, i think that was a feature that we can swallow. well, china says that they are biding by and of course things have calmed down since those are terrible events from a couple of years ago. dr. to remind swami. thank you. that's it for the show will be back next saturday, 9 years, the day crimea voted to be bought of russia following a u. s. back qu in key. have until then you can keep in touch my role as social

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