the other side of the front line and more updates from ukraine at r t dot com. but also on a number, any knob i should say about his telegram channels as well. for the meantime, thanks for sharing a saturday with us here at moscow. we are practicing. mm ah, ah. i'm after taxi and welcome back to going underground rural, gusting all around the world for dubai and the u. e. a multi polar transformation of the world was confirmed at the 1st of march g, 20 foreign ministers meeting in india, in effect, nato members and their alleged puppets. vito to joint communicated,

might've indicated unity in the face of threats like climate change and ban them x . the summit in new delhi followed refusals by india, china, and those representing the majority of humanity to vote for un resolution demanding russia be defeated in the u. s. his proxy war through ukraine. joining me now as a politician from prime minister modi's ruling, but he had you not potty or b, j. p in india. unlike moody, he supports the nature line on ukraine. dr. romanian swami form a cabinet minister and 6 term regis. i am p as in new jelly. thank you so much. debra, on the ever coming back on. i mean, last time you were on the show, they were slamming u. k. colonialism. and now, now you seem to be completely supporting your old colonial master, the britain. and the european colonial must is on the ukraine proxy war. what do you got against this rise of the global south? finally? yeah. winning the day. yeah. well 1st of all, law brittany is following the american light. and then i'm not pulling britain more

less. ah, in tandem with the americans. ah, but i did that. the fundamental question is that a green is a independent united nations member. and there has been a crossing of our soldiers army and so on by a country which is considered as one of the permanent members of the supreme. now the security council, it is so and a so now and therefore i think it would be, must be, i mean, you can't allow a country to reach out to the defense less in the circumstances. so you don't by, we have the phone call evidence to victoria newland now in the, by the state above. and that this was planned as a 1st of all of the unraveling of the soviet union was by mutual consent. i was to go by, jam, participate in as all agreed. so ukraine became

a member of the united nations. and now if you know you, you and i had a if you had done any of those times that are being mentioned, and i'm not saying that i know for sure either way. but the fact is that good, that would be big enough with the united nations. there was a resolution of them in school codes that became un security council resolution to, to, to re, to, i mean they're, you're being quite equivocal. so you are supporting moody's line, which is neither. no, i decide in a way what is his more pros or russian and chinese and a state stand which is that russia should regard strokes from your pain. and then we can talk all the, all the complaints that are there that can be taken up at that stage, but not then you sent troops across it, across the international boundary. so you don't just think that since the u. s.

lead, who in 2014, the continued attacks on don bass. you think russia should just have allowed them to erase those who spoke russian and on bus? i said that as we know from merkel in the midst records were a way of them arming to fight don't bass. and the issue, the issue is not that the issue is the use of the army to cross a international boundaries. and there is not the issue of what was well wrong. the opinions did not show that one stage. there was a person who was there present and he was doing all kinds of things. but the fact of the matter is the, there are some ground rules of the united nations, and you don't cross the national boundary. and i shall, i don't think i made a big issue international issue because being in the, are the new,

the russians. i the problem, the kind that you just mentioned in your brain will them, why do you think it is that the majority of humanity is represented in the united nations? don't vote the u. s. is way in numbers, numerical terms, of course they do follow in the course, people in the global cell call them vessel states that follow washington. but those that represent the majority of humanity, india, china, the big, the big countries that you have sent it, they didn't, they don't go along with the view that russia should just immediately withdraw. and this has to happen before any negotiations happen. why prime minister india has done my little distance by saying the washer. this is not time for war. you should, in the war, even that the russians are not agreeing. so i wouldn't say india is not on the opposite side. india. in fact, i thank you again for the fact that they assisted us to evacuate all our students,

our embassy, and they are fully active here. by the fact is that the indian position is not. i mean indians trying to read it, it's in this and i say you, you lose both ways. in this, you've got to take a stand. i know you're with the russians are, you know, with the americans and your stand is clearly with the americans. is, does that mean that in a sense, your supporting the old order because it's been said many times as you know at the shang, i cooperation, organization meetings, at bricks, meetings all across latin america or africa. se asia, that a new world is coming. that the days of iraq, syria, libby, afghanistan, those interventions are over. and i, i don't know whether you similarly condemned, of course, the americans and the british for invading afghanistan, libya, iraq and syria. and so i don't understand,

let me tell you that just chill the chinese walked across the mutually agreed line of actual control and to our land in, in the dark i was supposed to consider as one of the best friends of china in india . i of course, have specialized in china. i speak chinese, a written books on the chinese economy, and i like them, they watch, but what they did, it left us all speechless. they're just crossed. and joe took, or they didn't just ross viewed the indians a took him to the armor, i think was i think no, no, back in the sixty's. you know, you're going back to what you're talking about. the 2020 and no you don't talking about 2020. when it was all agreed that there would be when $995.00, we agreed to a line of actual control. we chair and neither side to side legally

or you know, solve the problem of the border. but they said that we will not have to go to wall for this. and we'll talk so to lend the status or as it existed, then i will draw a line of action control the chinese mileage of that and crossed it in 2020 you know, as of the blank is going to love the said the clearly he's going to want you to be bred was fine with the 28 in the us nuclear cooperation deal the 20 back to see if i was china. i'd be saying india is the enemy here is basically become the vessel states that australia, new zealand, japan, south korea as well. and that you can see a lot of people are saying that a junior partner and on the, on the face of it, you know, there some, a looks like that. but i am not. i am so told you that i would never be no state

china except when they found that they have brushed the line. and at that time i played a major role in the going off with mr. nakeema as prime minister in having a line of actual control. and yeah, but i mean, i might say china is too lenient on in here enough to those deals should have said the original agreement that was signed in the ninety's should be really good. india is become part of the problem. well, i see it as far as china's problem with taiwan. we're not supporting taiwan is a oh, there's a well, no, actually, that's washington policy. no, no. in reality, they have a huge presence in iraq. and they are a huge presence, a in a, in hong kong to, i mean, in the commercial sense. but i think that is all marching and recognizes taiwan is why the china just as india does. but in effect, as i do not go beyond,

you know, there is a limit to which i support the united states a country. i'm very familiar with them and it's easy to talk to them. and i, they are more frank and straightforward. i had done much of a difficulty with the russians when the new, when new york master came here and i can, he was very nice to me, but in the end, he told me that we still bear lot of judges against you with this. so we had to, by the way, so we do it in was against me. from the day i came back from america and every one of their publications made out there was an agent america. and then later on there began saying it was in a, in china. so these are, these are things that are said politicians, but the fact is that i come back to the question, you have crossed international line. now, before that is like the fight,

nothing is to be discussed. this is how i would approach the you said the same as you when germany recognized gray. sure. in the sort of us level. i didn't because of a. well, that's the same look, i'm going to just say you just said is the limit. you said there's a limit. what of the united? i know that russian oil imports to india hit a record high for february from the figures only this week. if biden blew up all the pipelines and all the transportation links of gas energy to india, would that be the limit like he's allegedly done with the north stream supplying germany's energy? if they do that, we'll get going from what i don't think we have good relations with their own despite the americans not being very happy with i think you have a you have seen this, you're putting this in a black and white says scenario that i know you are become a basil staple. if you are opposed to the united states,

there's no middle ground in what you're suggesting. i am not j here. i would love. i love to be on good relations. russians. i admire that most petitions i learned a lot of economics because you had brilliant mathematicians. ah, but then the know now it's not that any more. ah, it's a, i'm, the world is seeing russia is a junior partner of china. well, i mean, i'm china and russia don't say that. that's the case over. see china needing russian energy resources, doctors over money. and so, i mean, i'll stop you there more from the veteran b j. p. politician after this break with

ah, welcome back. i'm still here with dr. super money and swami. 6 term raja saba, m, p in india's ruling b j. p. you tweeted your 10000000 followers that india basically should follow them all these boots on the so called new communist party run nepal. this is the kind of resolution a that should be supported. russia and immediate would rule what, why this was in india be part of a team like them all leaves and boots on in nepal instead of, instead of russia, china of africa, vietnam, bangladesh, cuba, pakistan, all these other countries representing well social affinity of nearby tongue. ah, you know what she liked?

i tell you don't think that both john and them all leaves voted that way against russia because they thought the tell them they they went against india and k, confessions of an economic hit man. well, bank and i m f, treat developing world countries and now you've been celebrating sir lanka again, getting into debt into the washington institutions. what have you got against the bricks bank? bridge bank by they are ours or the president of position out by the minister of india. but i took the stand that died left harvard, india now understanding yet while getting out in them the bricks bank to new delhi, i would be happy to it. it. what is the good it, what i'm saying is there is no, are there's no biased hostility. i hated or any of the countries which i'm up posey . and they, as i told you, i was extremely well on

a good relationship with china. i met from shopping the chair here and out of his way because i didn't want any government issue at that time except of that member of parliament. and then i, i, i felt a read the chinese did what the other chinese, as it read me as and presidents didn't don't. and this has created a thing on which i have to, to take the indian stand national, national to stand. and i've been on a harsh me on china, i worked, i know also we gates all these areas and we can go back to being good friends. and then i how i think going to pay these areas which they say are there is now. if the politicians like yourself continue to appear to be vassal politicians of the security state of the united states again and again, you don't need to recognize what leverage with the chinese formulas just been

saying this week. they see this existential threats by nato. the military bases with the massive american spending for bass is all around the global self from like from 1972 to about 2005. i would say china was much more of a vassal united states state than we ever ever. we. the fact is that we are not a vast and state law. it's not going to provoke me to feel bad about it because you are known as a i know you're very much liked in india as a, as a command. and i, when you, when we were was, and we just going to be changed to the union. this also can be traced to us. so that, that, that, so what i'm saying is, please don't get into this question of extremes. i'm not for a mass instead, i'm not for an enemy who is with no just strike in history. the farmers are

also common that reasonably common that people have indian ancestry that embraced the colonial masters. and i don't know what you think a re she soon ex policy. so you agree with richie so neck clearly that we must support nature. we must supple washington at all costs. what do you think of the fact? uranium imports from russia into the usa are exploding. you is continuing to import masses of russian energy, who's paying most india is paying for the bullets from russia. because the massive a record oil buying by india. but the united states and you is paying for the russian war as well to the show, the complete contradiction and all of this well, i mean buying oil from russia. if you today, india had an alternative. ready we would just stop by ha,

you'd want and i would say that i would say that if you recall ukraine, than you, is he and. and then i'd be happy to re evaluate our positions. we, we are with the united states, not because the united states is always a, be out of out of state. we refuse to have them on the stand they want to last of the troops. they said they will use this and not that free of charge. we said no, we will not participate with troops in dallas on a united states continues to give weapons to pakistan, but still there are circumstances which have been created by which we need to be written better relations with united states. 3rd thing is the average union finding much more value will go to united states to study than any other alert. and so we have to maintain some really good relations with the united states so that people

can go and learn about science in the united states. so, i mean, there are so many factors, you see, you're putting it in black and white, and it's as you're right. but i'm saying the issue is not black and white weekend tomorrow become a united states, but i don't see any way the americans have harmed our national interest in any way . we don't think that the chinese have, and the chinese seem to control the russians because the russians language and a and it's behavior. and recently in our bilateral meetings about what china india is very, very negative. as far as we are concerned, though not at all according to way, i don't know whether you just are you going to join. don't, don't cited my enemies who are constantly trying to send me into the a, the congress party. i'm in the process of sending so now going to the jail on an auction charge along with the sun. yes,

and i said it was when you're on the same side when you want to be fated in washington. arguably, there's a china piece deal, and i recognize what you said about india not sending troops to afghanistan and not joining in the destruction of the beer of syria of iraq, tens of millions. i don't know how vocal you were against the u. s. foreign policy, india certainly was but isn't that the point is an arc of history here and what to render moody is doing today. joining with china with, although lula, president, lula brazil has been on this program, has been making different sound. so it's difficult for any leader to oppose u. s. foreign policy. this is the arc of history, isn't it? that the students who want to study in america, they do talk about the learning from a dying? no. listen, that i did. none of these are the decisive factors. the decisive factor you want know, is the chinese crossing the ls, he and plumbing and occupying are judging. that is,

she went through this at the beget, sorry to interrupt the 3, but we went through this. i went through all these deals, nuclear corporation in 20 o 8 a deal sign between india and the united states. what do you think china's going to do? allow india to launch nuclear weapons b g? yes, you're talking about the line of actual control after you by our territory. they can have more you nuclear weapons and put them facing india. i don't mind that. i think i think the into me in the and i can leave that just because we had a piece in fact by doing a lot of people in india all that and saying that you will harm our nuclear weapons program by this. you know, the conditions that the american that what would, in effect that destroy our progress in moving towards a nuclear arsenal. you see because we have sodium and that for you my, if you are able to convert it, decided it out for the nuclear weapons. i

think so we have 60 percent of the was a tony m and you would have been a totally different situation. all that we give up for the sake of nuclear for electricity. so i will not say that they, the chinese should have been, they should have been happy that the americans are now a nuclear program. yeah. and so india has been continually since 20 o 8 through the 2, thousands. moving in a way that is going to alarm anyone opposed to washington foreign policy, whether it be in the middle east, in north africa, all over. and i just want to know back to back to you grain. and we got to remember, bricks used to be ricks, russia, india, china, before it became brick. do indians don't even know about?

well, one of you would take us seriously. i would not see and do well, it's kind of important, isn't it? the given that's the biggest, it will finally draw something that though it's important, there's something that we will put it into our computer for future. notice it's by does not something that we get, get it all by. if somebody says that we will decide who will be what and so on. well, i'm pretty sure 9, i would do more than that if india's pipelines and india. and i don't see why i don't see why china just back and do what we are degreed in 1905, and then change the whole climate. you know, we've been through that the previous interview where what your doing is in effect, divide and rule by washington. if you continually isn't that what moody has recognized that imperial powers, imperial washington realizes they can split the joint power powers of india and

china. and you are falling into that trap. maybe it's your american education. yeah . it's just, i mean, i value that the education i was taught then by nobel laureates and became a family man in our expense to them. but the fact is that a, i b had extremely good relations with china. from 1952. 1962. we gave up our claim. i mean, we were offered the national, the security council, a holding seat, which is really after china became communist, near reagan said we can give it to them. we turned it down and campaigned every year that it should be given to china. a signed a treaty against everybody's wishes on to match in we, we sell saying to bedford, we autonomous. we said not the biggest part of china. and we so much bye in 2003

said even it would be our truncated and it would be. and that the chinese have done that, they have broken parts of it, get it done to grow in so, or something in situ, on it like that. now to read is a much smaller place. so all these we were going along with our, by the coming and the baking, the mutually agreed treatment a t g and then cross across and take these areas again. so years i've been in, i think that was the chair that we can swallow. well, china says that they are biding by it, and of course things have come down since those are terrible events from a couple of years ago. doctor, to remind swami. thank you. that's it for the show will be back next saturday, 9 years, the day crimea voted to be bought of russia following a u. s. back to who in kiev until then you can keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sense it in your country,

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