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gusting all around the world for do buy in the u. e. a multi polar transformation of the world was confirmed at the 1st of march g. 20 foreign ministers meeting in india, in effect, nato members and their alleged puppets. vito to joint communicated, might've indicated unity in the face of threats like climate change in band amex. the summit in new delhi followed refusals by india, china, and those representing the majority of humanity to vote for un resolution demanding russia be defeated in the u. s. his proxy war through ukraine. joining me now as a politician from prime minister modi's ruling, but he had you neither party or b j. p. in india. unlike moody, he supports the nature line on ukraine, doctors, romanian swami form a cabinet minister and 6 term regis. i am p as in new delhi. thank you so much. debra, on the ever coming back on. i mean, last time you are on the show, there, you are slamming u. k. colonialism. and now, now you seem to be completely supporting your old colonial master. the britain and

the european colonial must is on the ukraine proxy war. what do you got against this rise of the global south? finally? yeah. winning the day. yeah. well 1st of all, law brittany is following the american light. and then i'm not pulling britain more less. ah, in tandem with the americans. oh, not bad. died there. the fundamental question is that a grain is h independent united nations member. and there has been, they are crossing off or soldiers, army, and so on, by a country which is considered as one of the permanent members of the supreme out the security council. it is so, and a so now and therefore i think it would be, must be, i mean, you can't allow a country to reach or to the defense less in the circumstances. so you don't buy it

as a whole. you don't see at all what other countries in the global south do, which was this was nato encroachment in the east and that there was a qu, we have the phone call evidence of victoria newland. now in the by the state department. you don't believe there was a clue that led to this situation. you don't believe that they blew up the north stream pipelines, applying energy to europe, that this was planned as a 1st of all, the unraveling of the soviet union was by mutual consent. i was to go by, jam, participate in as all agreed. so as you can become a member of the united nations. and now if the, you know, you, you and i had a, if you had done any of those times that are being mentioned. and i'm not saying that i know for sure either way. but the fact is that good, that would be big enough with the united nations. there was a resolution of them in school codes that became un security council resolution

2202. i mean they're, you're being quite equivocal. so you are supporting moody's line, which is neither now in the side in a way. what is his more pros or russian and chinese and a to states and which is that russia regard strokes from your paint and then we can talk all the, all the complaints that are there that can be taken up at that stage. but not then you sent troops across it, across the international boundary. so you don't just think that since the u. s. lead, who in 2014, the continued attacks on don bass. you think russia should just have allowed them to erase those who spoke russian and on bus? as we know from merkel in the mens accords with a way of them arming to fight, don't bass. and the issue is not that the issue is the use of the army to cross a international boundaries. and there is not the issue of what was

wrong. the opinions did not show that one stage. there was a person who was their president and he was doing all kinds of things. but the fact of the matter is the, there are some ground rules of the united nations, and you don't cross the national boundary. and i shall, i don't think i shall made a big issue international issue because we, in india are the new, the russians. i the problem, the kind that you just mentioned in ukraine. will them? why do you think it is that the majority of humanity is represented in the united nations? don't vote the u. s. is way in numbers, numerical terms, of course they do follow in the course, people in the global cell call them vessel states that follow washington. but those that represent the majority of humanity, india, china, the big,

the big countries that you have sent it, they didn't, they don't go along with the view that russia should just immediately withdraw. and this has to happen before any negotiations happen. why? prime minister india has done my little distance by saying the washer, this is not time for war. you should, and the war even that the russians are not agreeing. so i wouldn't say india is. they assisted us to evacuate all our students. they're rated as the, our numbers here, and they are fully active here. but the fact is that the indian position is not, i mean indians trying to, we will, it's in this and i say you lose both ways. in this, you got to take a stand. i know you're with the russians are, you know, with the americans and your sand is clearly with the americans. is, does that mean that in a sense,

your supporting the old order because it's been said many times as you know at the shang, i cooperation, organizational meetings, at bricks, meetings all across latin america or africa, southeast asia. that a new world is coming. that the days of iraq, syria, libby, afghanistan, those interventions are over and i don't know whether you similarly condemned. of course, the americans and the british for invading afghanistan, libya, iraq, and syria. if i don't understand, let me tell you that chill the chinese walked across the mutually agreed line of actual control and to, for our land in, in the dark i was supposed to consider as one of the best friends of china in india . i of course, have specialized in china. i speak chinese, a written books on the chinese economy, and i like them, they watch, but what they did, it left us all speechless. they just crossed our total or the didn't just

ross the you. the indians a took in the alarm or i think with it, i think no, no lack in the sixty's utilize. you're going back to what you're talking about. the 2020 and the you're talking about 2020. when it was all agreed that there would be 1995, we agreed to a line of actual control we chair and neither side said legally are a no solve the problem of the border. but they said that we will not, i will to wall for this and we'll talk so to lend the status or as it existed. then i will draw a line of action control the chinese mileage of that and crossed it in 2020. you know, as of the blank is going to love the said the clearly he's going to want you to be prime minister. so you think china should have just gone along with the fact that

there are how many bases us basis surrounding surrounding china and you think china was fine with the 28 in the us nuclear cooperation deal? the 2016 logistics exchange. memorandum of agreement in the u. s. a. just 16. 2017 us quadrilateral security dialogue in the us, japan and australia. 2018 comcast, a u. s. dialogue, military equipment for military agreement. all these agreements are 2020 back and see if i was china. i'd be saying india is the enemy here is basically become the vessel states that australia, new zealand, japan, south korea as well, that they can see a lot of people are saying that russia, because junior partner and on the, on the face of it, you know, there some a looks like that, but i, you know, i am not, i am so told you that i would never be no state china, except when they found that there crossed the line. and at that time i played

a major role in the going off with mr. nakeema as prime minister in having a line of actually controlled and yeah, but i mean, some might say jane is too lenient on india and after those deals should have said the original agreement that was signed in the ninety's should be really good. india is become part of the problem. i don't see it as far as china's problem with taiwan. we're not so what i want as a, as an independent country, we are not according to bench as an independent art or indian country independent country. we are sticking to the 1950s thing. we then enter into the hong kong. is washington policy to technically oh, there are. well, no, actually, that's washington for. no, no, in reality they have a huge presence in iraq. and there are a huge a in,

in hong kong to, i mean, in the commercial sense. but i think that is all the most you can recognize is taiwan is not a china just as india does, but in effect, as i do not go beyond it, there's a limit to which i support the united states and i will try to country. i'm very familiar with them and it's easier to talk to them. and i are more frank and straightforward. i had a much of a difficulty with the russians when the new, when i went in new york master came here and i can, he was very nice to me, but in the end, he told me that we still bear lot of judges against you with the soviets, by the way, so we do it in was against me. from the day i came back on my medic and every one of the publications made out there was an agent america. and then later on there began saying i was in china. so these are,

these are cheap things that i said politicians, but the fact is that i come back to the question, you have crossed the international line. now before that is like the fight, nothing is this the we discussed. this is how i would approach the same as you get when germany recognized gray. sure. in the sort of you can level, i didn't think also. well, that's the same thing. i'm going to just say you just said is the limit. you said there's a limit. what is the united? i know that russian oil imports to india hit a record high for february from the figures only this week. if biden blew up all the pipelines and all the transportation links of gas energy to india. would that be the limit, like he's allegedly done with the north stream supplying germany's energy? if they do that, me get oil from iraq. i don't think we have good relations with their own despite the americans not being very happy with i think you have

a you have seen this. you're putting this in a black and white says scenario that i don't your become a vassal st. paul. you are opposed to the on the united states is the middle ground . what you're suggesting? i am not j here. i would love. i love to be on good relations russians. i am my, my petitions. i learned a lot of economics because you had brilliant mathematicians. ah, but then the know now it's not that any more. ah, it's say i'm that the world is seeing russia is a junior partner of china. well, i mean, i'm china and russia don't say that that's the case. what is he trying to needing russian energy resources? talk this over money and why me? i'll stop you. the more from the veteran b j. p. politician up to this break. ah ah

ah ah ah, welcome back. i'm still here with dr. romanian swami. 6 term raja saba, m p in india's ruling b j, p u tweeted year 10000000 followers that india basically should follow them all these boots on the so called new communist party run nepal. this is the kind of resolution a that should be supported. russia and immediate would rule what, why this was in india be part of a team like the mold eaves and boots on in nepal instead of, instead of russia,

china of africa, vietnam, bangladesh, cuba, pakistan. all these other countries representing well social affinity on their bar wooten. i know what she liked her, i tell you, don't think they're both john and them all the voted that way against russia. they went against india and that was something which never happened. india. i mean, i don't know how much a leverage the i m f and world bank have. we've got john perkins, the economic k confessions of an economic hit man on the show soon. and he talks about how the world bank and i m f, treat developing world countries. and now you've been celebrating sir lanka, richmond, my dear. i was or heard the president position out by the minister of india. but i took the stand that died left harder to come to india. now understanding yet

while getting out in their new their breaks bank to new delhi, i would be happy to you edit my hatred or any of the countries which i'm a posey. and they, as i told you, i was extremely well on a very good relationship with china. i met from shopping the chair here and out of his way because i didn't want any government issued at that time except of that member of parliament. and then i, i felt a read the chinese did what the other chinese as it premiums and presidents didn't don't. and this has created a thing on which i have to, to take the indian stand both national and national to stand. and i've been on a harsh me on china, i will china also we gates all of these areas and we can go back to being good friends and then how, how is it going to hate these areas which they say are there is now, if

a politician's like yourself continue to appear to be vassal politicians of the security state of the united states. again and again, you don't need to recognize what leverage with the chinese formulas just been saying this week. they see this existential threats by nato. the military bases with the massive american spending for bass is all around the global. so from like from 1972 to about 2005, i would say china is much more of a vassal united states state than we ever ever. we. the fact is that we are not a vast and state law. it's not going to provoke me to feel bad about it because you are known as a i know you're very much liked in india as a, as a command. and i, when you, when you are worse, and because i think you're going to be changed to your union,

this also can be traced to us so that, that is. so what i'm saying is, please don't get into this question of extremes. i'm not for a mass instead, i'm not for an enemy who is with india, who certified with india. i would be happy to with them in the chinese had not come and take an hour in 2020. our staff would have been quite different and just in 5 me so, and today i cannot share the idea that i shall, can, you know, kill people in the, in the ukraine and that we should keep quiet. and i can tell you, what are the government may say the vast majority of indians want us to submit your brain? arguably, the vast majority of indians may be going on strike in the, of the largest strike in history, the pharmacy, the pharmacy, when they go out again, you mentioned actually in the diaspora as you say, i am of a, the, and ancestry. but it's also common that reasonably common that people have indian

ancestry that embrace the colonial masters. and i don't know what you think of riches to next policy. so you agree with richie so neck clearly that we must support nato. we must supple washington at all costs. what do you think of the fact? uranium imports from russia into the usa are exploding. you is continuing to import masses of a russian energy who's paying. i mean, india is paying for the bullets from russia because the massive a record oil buying by india. but the united states and you is paying for the russian war as well, to the show, the complete contradiction. and all this, while, i mean buying oil from russia, if you today, india had an alternative, we would stop by from russia. you'd want alia to stop buying energy from russia,

and i would say that i would say that if you do not listen to india, even on a simple thing, i mean, a c spy, are withdrawn from a small country called ukraine, than you really don't cancel the deal is he and, and then i'd be happy to re evaluate our positions. we, we are with the united states, not because the united states is always a, be out of assets date. we refuse to have them on the stand they want to last of the troops. they said they will use this and not that free of charge. we said no, we will not participate with troops in afghanistan. no, no, no, it's just continues to give weapons to pakistan. but still, there are circumstances which have been created by which we need to be written better relations with united states. 3rd thing is the average indian find it much more valuable to go to united states to study than any other alert. and so we have

to maintain some really good relations with the united states so that people can go and learn about sciences in the united states. so, i mean, there are so many factors. you see, you're putting it in black and white, and that's your right. but i'm saying the issue is not black and white, we can tomorrow become a united states, but i don't see any way the americans have harmed our national interest in any way . we don't think that the chinese have, and the chinese seem to, for the russians because the russians language and a and it's behavior recently in our bilateral meetings about what china india is very, very negative. and so though not natal, according to prime minister moody, is saying, i don't know when you're just are you going to join the congress party? you sound a don't,

don't say to my enemies who are constantly trying to send me to the a, the congress party. i'm in the process of sending sonya going to the jail on a production charge along with the sun. yes, yeah, and i said it was, but you're on the same side when you want to be fated in washington. arguably, there's a china piece deal, and i recognize what you said about in the not sending troops to afghanistan and not joining in the destruction of the beer of syria of iraq, tens of millions. i don't know how vocal you were against the u. s. foreign policy, india certainly was but isn't that the point is an arc of history here and what the render moody is doing today. joining with china with, although lula, president, lula brazil has been on this program, has been making different sound. so it's difficult for any leader to oppose u. s. foreign policy. this is the arc of history. isn't it? the dying i'm no, none of these are the decide if you want to know is the chinese he and tommy,

and occupying our judges. that is, she went through this at the beget, sorry to interrupt the 3, but we went through this. i went through all these deals, nuclear cooperation in 20 o 8 a deal signed between india and the united states. what do you think china is going to do? allow india to launch nuclear weapons b g. yeah, and you're talking about the line of actual control after you by our territory. you're going to have more you nuclear weapons and put them facing india. i don't mind that. i think i think the in to me in the and i hope that just because we had a piece in fact by doing a lot of people in india that really went saying that you will harm our nuclear weapons program by this. you know, the conditions that the american that what would you know that destroy our progress in moving towards a nuclear arsenal? you see because we have sodium and that for your my, if you are able to convert it,

decided it out for the nuclear weapons. i think so we have 60 percent of the was a tony m and you would have been a totally different situation. all that we give up for the sake of nuclear for electricity. so i will not say that they the chinese should have been they should have been happy that the americans are. ready are one of our nuclear program. yeah. and so india has been continually since 20 o 8 through the 2, thousands moving in a way that is going to alarm anyone opposed to washington foreign policy, whether it be in the middle east, in north africa, all over. i mean, i just want to know back to back to you grain and we got to remember bricks used to be ricks, russia, india, china, before it became brick. do indians don't even know about the victorian newland

phone call? can they didn't they don't go on to you tube and heard victorian ulan choose who is going to lead ukraine after the u. s. back who, which was the start of this current proxy war. wow. only you would take us seriously. i will not see and do indians take seriously the idea the joe biden, antony blink, jake sullivan, victoria newland, and the see a bomb the north street pipeline. is it that i a to different teach and, and when we truly are being well, it's kind of important, isn't it that given that the biggest, it will finally draw something that it's important something that we will put it into our computer for future. notice it's by design, something that we get kennedy will buy. if somebody says that we will decide who

will be what and so on. well, i'm pretty sure 9, i would do more than that if india's pipelines in india. and i don't see why i don't see why china just back and do what we had agreed in 1095 and then change the whole climate. you know, we've been through like the previous interview where what your doing is in effect, divide and rule by washington. if you continually isn't that what moody has recognized that imperial powers, imperial washington realizes they can split the joint power powers of india and china. and you are falling into that trap. maybe it's your american education. we are. it's just totally. i value that the education i was taught than by law, my lawyer. so i became a famous man in economics, thanks to them. but the fact is that a i b had extremely good relations with china. from

1952, 1962. we gave up our claim. i mean, we were offered the national, the security council a vote veto holding c, which is really after china m communist, near reagan said we can give it to them. we turned it down and campaigned every year that it should be given to china and signed the treaty against everybody's wishes on to match in b being so saying to bedford, we autonomous. we said not the biggest part of china, and miss so much bye in 2003 said even to read it would be our truncated and it would be, and the chinese have done that. they have broken parts of it, get it done to grow in so, or something in situ, on it like that. now to read is a much smaller place. so all these we were going along with our but the coming and the baking,

the mutually agreed treatment. a t j and then cross across and take these areas and meds as, as he didn't so years i've been in, i think that was a big chill that we can swallow. well, china says that they are biding by it, and of course things have calmed down since those are terrible events from a couple of years ago. dr. to remind swami. thank you. that's it for the show will be back next saturday, 9 years to the day crimea voted to be bought of russia following the u. s. back qu in kiev until then you can keep in touch my role as social media. it's not sense it in your country. but you can always head to our channel going underground tv on rumble, dot com to watch new and old episodes going underground see very soon ah ah,

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