were l look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept where such order would conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence, and the point obviously is to great trust or rather than fear i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence. real summoning with a robot must protect its own existence with oh, paint splattered on the mona lisa. people lying across, busy highways, and rush hour. historical statues been damned. protest against social issues are

not new and wall. there's always been a few examples of those protests taking dramatic steps to go on our attention and present day. now we're seeing more current, but are these moves to be effective in garnering the sympathy needed for whatever change is being demanded. i'm going to use it on this additional grease. it's the view we're going to look at the hypocrisy involved in those as seeking societal changes and the fine line between activism and tariff. let's get started. so mm. activism has changed over the years from marching across capital cities to black squares. what actions are actually helping the causes we are fighting for and is the hypocrisy of some ruining the movement for all. we now ask our international

correspondent, roxanna solano. these questions, scotty is active is just another way to become intern is famous. the new generation of activists seems to be doing more harm than good with their protest. we're seeing so called activist going throw paint a famous paintings in museums and good themselves to the our work. our producers have these type of activist so much. she doesn't want to give them fame. and we refuse to show these videos. but let's break it down. why the so called processed is supposed to be against make oil and the pollution of our planet. however, the pain they throw made with oil, that who they used made with a type of oil. the harsh chemicals now needed to clean up the mess they made. you guess it probably terrible for the environment. even the shoe is they were to walk into these museums are made with oil. the whole app is now is not better in their

community and quite frankly, hypocritical. now these actions could be just for a few small ponds, it's making some noise. but what about the world's most prominent politician arriving at the climate summit to promote the green new deal in private? twitter was flooded with pictures of the wrong ways, feel with gas guzzling pollution inducing machines, all caring in the read only well known self proclaimed climate activists, including king charles boris johnson and business force reported. many leaders had flown directly from the deep 20 submit to the climate summit. there were $118.00 private sets which amidst roughly 6 tons of c o 2 per flight, adding up to over $1400.00 tons. the hypocrisy said tweeter, ablaze with rules for thee, but not for me. during black life matter, summer,

riots, people, businesses, and now ladies were pressures to post black squares on their insect ranch. if you refuse, you were accused of perpetuating biding. but what did this black squares actually prove? it doesn't as any educational awareness to the cause, acted more like newly in court. like a signal you're willing to blame the support of cars that ended up being a scam. the leader i'll be in the millions of dollars software through sell companies to buy her own multi $1000000.00 home to the point government no longer allowed the black life matter. organization to file as a nonprofit, chargeable organization. the greed of the movement leader has completely undermine the original intention, preventing any black life from actually being helped in the process. people with tesla's power to the good they are doing for the environment. but whereas the

energy coming from to charge their vehicles. what happens when california turns off the power group and you cannot charge your vehicle during a community big cup cookout in berkeley, california. a group of protest are through red paint on the grills. this is because the police only provided hud ducks, hamburgers to the people coming to the event. and there were no big options. we look at these kinds of activities from us, attention seekers and not those actually trying to actively better the world around them. where seem more and more, the hypocrisy of activism is failing the movements themselves. i'm brooks on this atlanta for 360 view back to you study. listen, you always have to have a vision option these days because throwing a red paint, very dramatic, but i've seen worse. don't make a vague and angry thanks for joining me. roxan a me now is david swanson, he's an author activist journalist radio host and nobel peace prize nominee and

swanson is the executive director of world beyond war dot org and campaign coordinator for route to action dot org. thank you for joining us. now from your perspective, how do you view this evolution of activism over the last few decade? oh, huge changes globally and locally positive and negative are we. we've seen in particular, when it comes to anti war and peace activism, a dramatic increases in skills and strategies and planning and successes of non violent activism instead of war uh, non violent on armed resistance to military base constructions whose occupations, brutal governments, et cetera. at the same time, we've seen a, in particular, in some western countries like the united states, where i live a increased skills in the slickness of the propaganda used to discourage activism.

i end, i mean propaganda not just in terms of particular lies to start particular wars, but the overwhelming message that's put out through corporate media day after day after day. that activism is dom and silly and useless and you're powerless. ah, and you must do nothing except to vote and shop and you can control the world by voting and shopping. i. and so there are, there are her forces against a good useful activism. and there are people developing and employing it at the same time. does the world wide web social media and even the internet help or hurt those looking for change? i think it definitely helps. an definitely hurts i it's, it's the tool that we have at the moment i and without it in this, in this moment we would be even more lost. oh, when you have

a campaigns, for example, like black lives matters, that can put something into the corporate media because people have their own cameras in their pockets because people have the internet because people can make something big on the internet without corporate media. it's very, very useful but people at the same time need to. ready understand that the corporate media still dominates, even on the internet, on that off line. activism is still needed. oh, we can't do things on the internet alone, but using it wisely and strategically as a tool in combination with real world activism. and it's worked wonders and it's been central to, ah, thousands of campaigns that have changed the world for the better is violence or to structural property like we have seen around the world by climate change act with animal rights, oil protesters, et cetera. does it only hurt and reduce empathy for the cause?

well, it certainly doesn't only do that. it may do that to some degree of but given the need to communicate to people. the importance of the crisis of that, that, that all life on earth is at risk, that eventually people will be burning van go, paintings to cook their last food. ah, it's, it's not overly dramatic. it's not going too far. and when you're not even destroying paintings that actually have glass in front of them, you're just getting people's attention. ha. and when you're getting their attention to an incredible crisis that they're trying to block out and ignore, ah, it actually can be very useful. and you can end up having people start paying attention and then say, i don't like their tactics and go off and support some moderate acceptable environmentalist, organization. and so you can bring people in to a gree,

into the movement to protect the world, even as they tell themselves that they like your cause, but dislike your tactics. whereas the week before, they were ignoring your cause was so i'm for anything that gets the message through because if people weren't doing anything, the corporate media and governments are happy to ignore crises that threaten all life on the planet. but someone argue that we're at this point because initial complaints were never heard. if you mean in terms of the environmental and eco's systemic collapse. yes, of course. the facts have been known or have been knowable for many decades. you know, we have reports from 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago. say here's what's happening here is what's needed do it now or else.

it's not been secret, but it's certainly not been as talked about as sports or the weather, or divorces of celebrities. it just hasn't been the focus of, of media outlets or government institutions or educational institutions. and probably you can ignore something, but it doesn't make it go away. it allows it to faster. and now you've, you've got a crisis that's on avoidable, even to particular people who for decades have been saying it's not real. you have the new york times a couple of months ago, printing a column by one of their overpaid columnists, saying proudly i disbelieved in climate change until somebody flew me to a mild melting glacier. and now i'm willing to believe it, but we still must do nothing about it. and you know, as if we need to, it, that's like the solution is to fly every jack on earth to

a melting glacier and then do something about the problem as compounded by all that jet fuel. ah, you know, this is, this is not the answer. the answer is to be sorry for having ignored it for so many years and jump on it as if it mattered right this minute. thank you, david swanson. after the break, we're going to continue our discussion. and if activism could be turned into a version of extortion, ah, ah, european nations ultimately experienced that transformation where that exception that is, was kind of defeated by the hard realities, right? or at least confronted with them in a very significant way. and you know, the space of moral a moralist, the only exception to the general tendency that, of course, has to do with the fact that the geographical situation of the united states is fundamental. that of an island that is the size of the continent.

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with a full of numbers love, but i should know the post office that he has all the well the full post to to see him if you should more just put a new posting your model for who do job as you go with a welcome back. you're watching the 360 view. i'm scotty know hughes. we're joined again my david swanson, author, act with journalist and radio host, the nobel peace prize, and nominate, thanks for joining us. david. now do you feel like some protest are not entirely organic? how can you tell where, depending how you define organic, i doubt there's any protest ever that that hasn't been plants out. strategized?

no, no, rosa parks didn't spontaneously side not to get out of a seat on a bus. that doesn't mean she didn't do the right thing by refusing to get out of the seat on a bus. but there certainly are protests that have funding and organization that's intentionally hidden. and there are, you know, there are protests and, and all kinds of movements that are sort of astro turf that our corporate sponsored, foreign government sponsored that want their, their sources hidden. and that's a problem that should be exposed. but you know, people, people organize seen campaigns to unionize starbucks or protest prisons or opposed the construction of a military base or whatever. i think more strategizing and organizing and funding is needed not less. you know, it seems like today, activism has become

a career path. what damage could that actually do? will it hasn't become a career path for enough people? i, you know, i, i would have become a career peace activist a decades earlier. if i had known it was a possibility. and if there were more jobs in that field, i saw billboards and tv ads and secretly paid for celebrations of patriotism and mass slaughter e b for sports games. while growing up, i knew you could go get a career in killing that there was now i never to my, in my life saw a recruiting office for the peace movement army and the, you know, i now am the director of an organization where we try to raise funds and we try to hire people to organized piece activism and the notion that there's something shameful about that i find very odd and would need to have explained to me. um,

but there aren't enough, you know, we who hate tell young people who have no other career path who have no money, who art independently wealthy and can't just do what's right. a unpaid a day at night. not to go into the military and they say, well, give me some other career path and what do we give them? you know, this is the problem and we have congress members telling presidents don't do anything about student debt. don't do anything about the cost of college because we need people in poverty so we can get them into the military. you know, and, and, and we're trying to oppose that. and we're trying to get people to do a proper limited amount of activism while working other jobs. what people have to work day and night people have to work 3 jobs. people have to go into the jobs that the corporate powers want them to, to pay off their debt for having got an education which ought to be

a human. right. and by the way, is in every other wealthy country on earth. i. and so i, i actually think we need activism where we can find it and we find it in young people who have free time. we find it even more in retired people who have free time and, and come from an age that allowed you to retire. and, but, you know, fundamentally, we need people to be working the last to be more secure, to have safer lives and economic prospects, and be able to do more activism of paid or unpaid job. hm. but if it's, if it's not shameful, to get paid to make widgets or sell insurance or promote one phone company over another, why should it be shameful to get paid to try to make the world a better place? doesn't seem that way to me. ok, so david, what is the difference between being a lobbyist and be an activist? well, i certainly think there's a difference between being a lobbyist, a,

who's paid by an organization publicly organized and funded and working to advance majority interests, majority demands of trying to get the government to represent people, as it's supposed to represent them. oh, when, when you have a situation where you can have 89 percent of the u. s. public agree on an issue. even agree on the corruption of washington a over 80 percent. republicans, democrats, independents, everybody else says congress should stop owning and trading stock on the stock market because they control the prices and congress doesn't do it. then being a lobbyist to take people's voices to capitol hill and say, you need to do this as seems to me to be a useful enterprise, but being a vastly overpaid corporate lobbyist, a going and,

and talking to congress members about how you can fund their campaigns how you can put jobs in their districts, how you can manufacture one weapon in 85 different districts to dangle those jobs before those congress people. how you can get them free staff. people paid for by the pentagon. how you can give them a job that pays 5 times what congress pays as soon as they leave congress. if they do your bidding while they're in congress. this seems to me a corruption of government. this is why the word lobbyist has the as a bad as sound to it in most people's ears and i think it should be done away with . i think the revolving door should be closed. those jobs shouldn't be available. i think national enterprises should be nationalized. i think campaign funding should be abolished and campaigns should be publicly funded. i think that that, that communication systems for elections should be for a limited period of time and should be publicly funded. i, you know,

we ought to clean out the corruption and promote democracy by example, rather than by bombing other people and telling them it's for democracy. i am really interested to know your take on a celebrity activist. should they even get involved? why do they get involved and should they be called out as hypocrites, when their actions are not the same as their words? i suppose everyone should be called out as hypocrites, when their hypocrites, including myself and anybody health. should. i don't think that celebrities shouldn't be activists. i don't think that they shouldn't do the right thing. i do think it's silly. how much attention people pay to celebrities, how much they're treated as, as wise experts on a topic that they know no more about than anybody else. they're just famous for some completely unrelated talent or accomplishment. but given that

reality, given that if i invite a celebrity to chat with me about a topic they know nothing about all have 10 times the people watch the conversation, compared with, if i just do it myself. it's helpful in this, in this reality where people worship celebrities it's, i would rather have celebrities be backing good causes then be backing bad causes or doing nothing at all. i. i think we ought to be asking them to model good activism and to encourage others to be good engaged citizens and activists. well, interesting take david, thank you so much for joining us. for society, to survive, it must adapt must evolve. some changes happen naturally while others can present more of a challenge, especially if it involves changing human behavior. when change does not come quick

and or in the form, one believe it should. frustration begins to sit in and this is where the trouble in discourse begins to grow. as the internet has grown, there is now a plethora of ways for active is to communicate and advocate for their cause. this is a good thing. however, the internet has basically opened up indoors box as we are seeing a growing trend in almost every aspect of life. to garner more attention by just out doing the last, with no limits set in place, these actions can be made available instantly to the masses. creating a bus and while the cars, these actions being done for might be noble, violence or destruction of properly property is rarely justified. yet here they are now happening and rather than gaining sympathy, the exact opposite is happening. the actions taken are gaming the attention as well as the activists who take them while the motivating cause is really never the focus

. many because those who decided it's justifiable to damage a work of art or cause major disruption to what their passion for the subject. basically overrule their common sense, or maybe they failed to see how their emotions are being manipulated for the purpose just to cause disruption. they are like ponds and a game with the players being those who benefit from control. and in the end, history tells us regarding activism, the best plans for change and the acceptance comes in the form of understanding free will and education, the threat of violence or destruction to force that change is not only terrorism, but i see it as extortion to elements which i find it hard to find how the end could ever justify the meat. i'm scared now he, it has been your 350 view of the news affecting you. thanks for watching.

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