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ah. the with the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . china, who's performed a master stroke of diplomacy, it is brokered in agreement that will see iran and saudi arabia, again re establish diplomatic relations. this could be a step not only to reorder the middle east, but also usher in an air of stability in the region. today, washington is the odd man out the, the cross fucking peacemaking. i'm joined by my guess mom in mirandi and crown. he's a professor at the university of trent in beijing. we have and mark, he is

a senior research fellow at the center for china and globalization and in brussels . we cross the pier, manual tillman. he is a lecture at real university or a gentleman, cross talk roles. the fact that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate, let's go to andy 1st in beijing, it's an amazing story, a master stroke of diplomacy. like i said in my introduction, we could see the reordering of the middle east and bringing stability there, which the western powers are about only instability for the last 50 years. so it's an amazing accomplishment. but how competent are you that is this, this arrangement will hold water will move forward because you do know that there are many enemies of this gambit and it will be tested. go ahead and d. no, that's absolutely true, peter. so 1st of all, thank you for having me on. i think that this is a milestone. it is a breakthrough,

but it is only a 1st step. and as you say, there are many, many challenges on the road ahead and yet i think it is cause for optimism and hope as while he said, this is a victory for dialogue. this is a victory for peace. and we know that peace loving countries all round the world support this, and countries that are more committed to violence and warfare do not. and we have to see how things are ultimately play out. but again, i think it's caused re norma's optimism and hope today. on that note, i'm home and in toronto, what are your thoughts? i mean, you've been on this program since its inception, and we have talked about how western a meddling in the middle east has caused so much tension, bloodshed, and dis outright, a disaster for the region. this is an amazing step forward. western media is never giving it to me. that could be coverage. it deserves here, because it works so much against their narrative. mom and your thoughts. go ahead.

we have to remember that a bit over 3 years ago, the saudis sent a letter to the iraqi prime minister to as a part of a process to bring about rapprochement and the general. so the money right, travel to baghdad, to, to meet the prime minister at 8 am to discuss the letter to find a solution between iran and saudi arabia. and he was murdered by trauma. so after that, after that crime a while a bit later, the iraqis again tried to facilitate some sort of dialog, dialog began between iranian and so the officials, there was some progress, but they didn't go all the way. so what happened was the president, she, when he went to saudi arabia, in discussions with saudi leaders,

a spoke about a mediation, and the before president re sees recent trip to aging for the state visit. the chinese want to ask to see if the ryan were ready for them to mediate if they would accept a chinese mediation and be ryan's during the talks in beijing, the iranians, the running president accepted. after that, we saw intense negotiations in beijing, which a while back a week ago. and the results are that the 2 countries iran is saudi arabia will be star ties. and that goes against interest of the united face and the israelis, and sadly many in europe who do not even understand what their own interests are. you know, with the mirror, it's very interesting. i was looking at some of the fine print that has been

released here and fundamentally it is to respect each other's sovereignty. that something that doesn't come out of western capitals any more. ok, respecting each others, each others are sovereignty. even when there are many, many problems still to meet need to be resolved. let's go to piri manual in paris. you know, when i, when i was reading accounts of this story, when it was being broken, you know, what thought came through my mind is ok. so as 1956, and this is, i think on that level here and to remind our audience last, the french and the, the british to o took over the suez canal and the us said, get the hell out of there. you have no, you're violating sovereignty here, and that was the end of the british and french in the middle east. from that time forward, i think what basing is done. an extraordinary accomplishment is, is a $56.00. so as moment go ahead, peer manual, i think you're right. this is reflecting

a change in the jordan or older girl believer, especially v for crisis in ukraine, where a be behind the cross is in ukraine. you have a rising confrontation between the united states on russia of cools or show, potentially between united states and china. and in means a global leader that are many t r toes between power serve influence zones. county are, are subject to, to disturbing musician to fragmentation. and come to our tour of war, it can be the case of coca, most of santa and asia overboard cons. but ukraine of cool, so sunset sandtown on eastern europe and, or shoot me the least. and i think the saudi,

an iranian the relies that in vista, arising confrontation between or a u. s. and dirge, china and russia. morris on the other side, are they your, they will be the loser office situation if they go at war a travel between. so he'll be on the ran and this is a way to, to avoid it, or to become a chart of action. like in your group, for example, i think those or saw him in and of a facto is votter or saudi arabia. we tried a promo to regime change in syria of crusoe against iranian untrue us. under this succeeding weaver, russia, and the basic county or the war all we for, we've are russians and do a saudi arabia. so abandoned is regime change. policy on relies,

but the united states on europeans cannot anymore or insurance or are in a major way or meter least and do they. yeah, well i mean, apparently now he, well it with the reason i agree with you because the, the, the, your american european position has not brought peace to the region. okay. it hasn't, it's a matter of fact, it is sabotaged piece for decades in the region. and that's why we all should welcome beijing's gambit here. andy, let me go to you. i mean, what's, what's really important about this and western audiences are not going to be told. this is why i'm telling anyone that's watching is that china is not taking sides. see the u. s. always take sides and says it's a mediator, which is absolutely nonsense. okay. that's what makes it's, it's the beauty of the deal if it works. but that's the beauty of it. china is saying we are a real, honest broker andy. no, that's absolutely correct. and i think not only does the us take sides, i had actually manifest

a very arrogant and narcissistic view of the world in that it is looking to promote what it calls democracy, quote unquote universal human rights. which really is just a very narrow, parochial view of the world and impose that on the rest of the world through its efforts. and i year recently tweeted that. so the problem with the american leadership is it's dubious character and even more dubious motivations. and we see that china is, is foreign policy. as you mentioned, it is founded on mutual respect and respect for sovereignty. and i think it was wong e also that said i eat country must be free to choose its development past. and i think it's for this reason that countries like iran, like saudi arabia, like russia, like ukraine, are willing to work with china because they do recognize that china does not have

this arrogance or this narcissism, but indeed, is trying to make the world a better place a more peaceful place, you know, i'm a hominy, they, it's no secret the differences of between around in saudi arabia. but, i mean, i, i respect both for coming to the table and talking about sovereignty and security. you can disagree on a lot of other things. but those are the 2 most important things, and it shows a lot of courage on both sides and on the side of, of china because it's not going to be easy to do. they're not, they don't have hard power to enforce anything, is their good will. and their soft power, that's the difference between china now in the west today. go ahead, muhammad. i think there's also another element as well. and that is that the united states is being seen increasingly as growing weak. but also the united states is being seen as indifferent towards its friends and allies. when the

americans withdrew from afghanistan off on a son, they dumped their friends and allies and countries like saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, and others across the world. took note of that, and while the iranian so the negotiations were taking place in beijing last week, we saw georgia an event in georgia and how a government and parliament that is friendly to the west. right. and no ally of the russians how it was severely attacked by americans and the europeans, simply because they wanted to impose their sovereignty. and simply because they were not 100 percent ambient. and the saudis take note of that even being friendly to the united states does not mean that you are safe and secure from the wrath of the americans and make you hi gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break,

and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on peace making. stay with at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free people, and to defend the world from great danger. ah, with

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remind you we're discussing peacemaking the okay, let's go back to brussels up here menu. well, i keep stressing peacemaking here and with reproach. amount of the saudis and the iranians. we have the possibility of finally bringing peace to yemen. and i think that's an important part of what, what the derivative outcome of this piece process could be. and that would be something that would be i absolutely need it, obviously for the people of the m and, but it could diffuse other conflicts in the region which have been stoked again, i'll say by western powers for decades. so this is a, an opening, an opportunity to end to conflict that is drawn on way too long. go ahead and brussels. yes, that's right. this is a no printing but are really good us,

you? oh, good army implemented because as you said, they are many open answer tourists are to his dieter or i think there is, wasn't of a facto where we didn't mention is that to the united states. wanted to put pressure on saudi arabia to or on the oil crises, or, or to, to a bicycle shade to punish russia elsewhere. and are the saudis refused also because or a don't want to, or a u. s. to with too much leverage on the, on prices and or, or so early europe, the rising of, of asia as her as power broker, we've, china, is not only are v are action of sinker, country china. but so, so, and i tell not to, with the globalization which is emerging reverse young guy corporation organization, right? for example, an old as yet your countries would like to join because,

or is not dominated by western institutions, may need a u. s, but also member states in europe or u. k. france, or germany. and or they would like to reserve real problems more peacefully with balance of power and not leaving a western institution were created by the us and on your parents. like, you know, united nations, which is many in a west on globalization and or, or china of course, is taking the lead in the so i'm not sure globalization, eurasia, and we are going to see if this will lead to over opening unreason resort ocean of conflicts between or so, or china on pakistan for example. tonight we've noticed about pakistan west, how people should we be so we can, as they are in effect, it can have, they can have

a demonstration effect for the entire entire region. and far beyond is go back to andy and beijing. beijing is on kind of a piece making tour. i mean, it had a 12 point program for ukraine. again, western capital's dismissed it out of hand. they probably didn't even read it. ok, let's be honest. ok. and then we have this break through with saudi arabia in rent me, this is the world is beginning to pay attention. you know, there are some countries that use their military leverage to divide countries to start cover colored revolutions and whatnot. and beijing, as a disinterested partner, i mean, you know, is they, they have equal distance from the, from the partners that are negotiating. and that is, that is a demonstration effect that the world can look to. because the world has become extremely unstable with nato's war against russia. and we've seen how the global south of the global majority is why, like to call it is reacting. so we're at an inflection point here. i think andy,

we absolutely are. and i think i also want to go back to that was made earlier that china is an honest broker. and it does rely on moral suasion. but that is not enough train and also brings i think some very important material advantages to the table as well. so of course, china is market for oil is important for saudi arabia for iran, but also chinese ability to deliver high quality complex infrastructure projects. when we're talking about 5 g or more traditional types of infrastructure ports, et cetera on time and on budget, are very valuable incentives. the compliment, i think it's honest broker status and it's because of this that we are seeing this example effect. and i completely agree with you peter,

that the world deeds great examples needs to be inspired and you know, hopefully the good guys are winning. and the war mongers, the people that engage in subversion interference in other countries affairs will start to even diminish agree, mohammad, they are also in the fine print here is that saudi arabia with this kind of tango with israel. and the abraham accord, so called, which i think is just an excuse for the us to stay in the middle east. and they apply and minions in the, in the, in the region. but the, the through this process of mediation is the saudi arabia has to 1st recognize a independence palestinian state, which is again putting it back on the agenda where the west so conveniently, likes to forget about it. go ahead moment. yes. so the united states would like to

see divisions in the region as many as possible. and the objective of the united states is to have the israeli apartheid regime have domination over the neighboring countries. and it's quite interesting that these talks and the agreement between iran and saudi arabia, in beijing, it almost comes at the worst possible moment for the united states. and israel is on the one hand, you see a extremely right when government empower in tel aviv a government that even it to western allies are having difficulty are not criticizing. they don't, they don't traditionally criticize the regime, but it's becoming so bad that even the in the united states, you see criticism of the current regime, the, that in yahoo regime. and that is the behavior of israel right now

is making it increasingly difficult for countries in the arab world, among others, to maintain ties with the regime. so it, it actually, this rock roche mom with iran mate puts the saudis in a much better position with regard to american pressure to move towards israel. and it makes it, and it marginalizes israeli regime even more so it works to iran benefit in further marginalizing the regime. and in addition to that, the united states benefit from all of these divisions, it sounds weapons, it is able to fort worth. we know that the genocidal warren yemen was given a green light. i mean, the americans gave the saudis a green light. obama gay, so he's a green light. carry out, initiate the war. it came roughly during the time when we were in vienna for the j

. c. p, o, a nuclear negotiation, so the americans, they, they lose the military, industrial complex loses money. the israeli regime becomes more marginalized and the united states, which is already on the decline, has further difficulties in the region. and now we see this banking crisis in the united states. nothing is looking good for the americans, whether in west asia, west asia, or across the world, you know, on piri menu al, you brought it up earlier, which i think is really fascinating. and, you know, andy is also an expert in globalization, but there are, there are multiple globalization is going on. the, the one inspired by the west is broken down. it's failed because it doesn't serve everyone. but we now have in asia, we have some of the most important countries you mentioned pakistan. iraq is also part of this here. you know, it took a long time, but i've always said in my program here, if you give the,

the players in the region with outside interference and outsiders choosing sides. and having a broker like china come in, not choosing sides, and not completely disinterested care of building infrastructure. you make money. i agree with andy's point there. but this, it gives that globalization a new lease on life because it's reducing tensions. and that's what you need for a successful globalization. go ahead and brussels. yes, that's right. are actually good. china are the promot. he served a seed con road project as an i turn achiever. were western globalization because or united states on these europe analogies? where are the masters of for maritime or the names and do in case of conflict or, or china could be blocked on the, on the seas. so we need a needs a continent approach shirts for its trade or so forth. agencies and do,

at the same time, are russia also promotes great or you raise your project, which is in synergy with china. but that's the same time connecting new with india to come to balance or so china, because even got on china are her to giver in, you know, in an audience. so good out to western powers out over were isha the v. o. so our competitors. but what we see there are between russia, india, china, or pakistan or oh, you rock no, you run, it's like 2 balancing power. yeah. and instead of trying to impose a unit, put on water, is to accept mercy, put our re key, and to priority mean stability there, you know, and you have one more minute here. so we have the mediation at the behest of a beijing. we have a ukraine piece like what else is on the agenda? because i'm sure you watch western media,

china's are getting ready to conquer the world. you know, it's the, the contrast couldn't be greater. go ahead and why i think one very important point to mention is the decline of the dollar and the eyes of the middle east. we see with seas trip, saudi arabia, other countries in the read are now increasingly willing to use the un in settlement for oil. and i think this will have profound repercussions that will be reinforced by trying to diplomatic initiatives in the region as well. it also again, you know, i like the stress field talking about national security as it comes about when you have sovereignty. and when you have free trade, you don't live in a world where you're sanctioned, because about quote unquote bad behavior. when the country that is sanctioning you is committing even worse behavior here. this is a, this is a segue out of this debt in that we've seen in the post war era. and i think it's

a mediation between saudi arabia and iran is a very good 1st step gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in brussels and in beijing. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember cross walls the ah. ah lisa. russian state. never. i've been on the northland scheme. again. the 55 been okay, so i need to be the one else because we

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