to the just to see the day before let you know about the hope for him to cancel about was said you will need some fiscal. well you didn't hello. 2 ah. 2 every week we tell you about whistleblowers from around the world, many of whom put their careers and lives on the line to speak truth to power. some countries protect their whistleblowers, others do not. but what happens when you are a journalist in a country that has no protection for truth tellers, a country where even reporting the news may put you at odds with the government. i'm john curiosity and you're watching the whistleblowers. ah. hello and welcome back to the whistleblowers. i'm john curiosity. the international

federation of journalists reports that 45 journalists were killed while doing their jobs in 2021. 33 of them were murdered in targeted attacks in places as diverse as afghanistan, syria, iran, and mexico. at the same time, $345.00 journalists were arrested and imprisoned last year, just for doing their jobs. it's tough enough to be a whistleblower, and to report on waste, fraud abuse and illegality. but what is it like to be a journalist where freedom of the press is not respected and we're doing one's job is so dangerous. we're going to discuss this and more with our next guest, congo based freelance journalist. kudos molly ro, cooder. thank you so much for joining us and welcome to the show. cooter. how does a freelance journalist or an independent journalist protect himself or herself in a country like congo where you're often called on to report from conflict zones or insensitive issues like mining labor unrest, or even threats to civil rights?

to be history is. ready where is that, you know, with that so you don't have any, any, any contract with the media. it's so it's little, it's hard for her to be to, to be journalists, thriller, so that's good reads because something. ready you could be arrested or something has to happen without any supports and it's very have no chris get liquor. a for example, make me i well, you soon get us it, it is, we have we. oh, we have to be a follow up by. you can, will, is government companies center or something. musicians can just send you the message that's it's very happy,

i can say leasing the specter east india. you have received threats, warnings from the police and the government. and you've been denied access to do your job. how do you deal with something like that? how do you protect yourself and yet continue to do your job as a reporter? yeah, i remember the last states when i got it, the less when it was in to so that she to, i reports, i read books. i put some news about to about a lady, but i can just say there isn't one ah identity. what's about that news when you go out to break it sound built as that pitch abuse, many lit e d r a c. and after that i do an investigation with

breasts. i just made somebody that you're on. so i talked to selma. some people who the 1st of the that i asked them about, about those stoked us and asked not, not i get to many 3. and i love the last month i think in june, went out to break a p, a here outbreak a coming in seattle area. i got to many problems walk with that. i many times to give me credit to set up when i shut that w to nope, it up. we can do that because you do fix someone that she does want

you to read about something about what you see the thing like that walk like back up when problem. there are several especially sensitive topics that you've reported on, including fighting in eastern congo between government forces and m. 23 rebels who are supported by rwanda. the congolese government has threatened you with the rest because of your reporting. again, how do you protect yourself and continue to do your job? do you find yourself having to self censor? for example. 6 when you, when you look at the new national risk,

that's what we get to see if we got you with the rebel or even chris and you see the thing that you must be careful when you're watching it. and now you have a protocol. what is going good, interesting. what it means of communication is that's the case. you risk respect, that's a protocol. i think that if you really if you can get you can use it. you can walk,

it could read. what happens if god forbid the government arrests? you and you become one of those journalists incarcerated for doing his job. who is there to stand up for you and for your rights in a country that's really not known for its protections for journalists? who do you turn to? is there international support, for example, for congress journalists. i'm a member of a city shall know that i missed the 1st one. i think i got some problem. i think a statement about my arrested if i could arrest it or to a member for a race africa that is there. but if you can, yeah, we have a, i just need to re think what is happening. what's the problem of dental is for?

so i'm a local association of journalists here cohort. didn't miss your to print, you know, i think if i go to problem, i think we just up so maybe statement that also i've had a social media or so i think it really did it. i want to call me or we just generally is after that is a problem. yeah. we just log in use on the radio or so the i can see, okay, we can do like what we could without the baby to code and or so all state governments, you're watching the whistleblowers. we're going to take a short break and then continue our conversation with congolese journalists. could romero stated. 2

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today, security service of ukraine use is not only the statistic methods, but also the ideology of the nationalist a with a welcome back to the whistle, blowers. i'm john kerry, our group. we're speaking with could ramiro, he's a freelance journalist in the congo covering some of the most difficult and controversial issues in the country for such outlets as the associated press are sions, france, press, and writers. good to have you back hydra. i wanted to ask you some of the, about some of the controversial stories that you've covered and what the response has been from the congolese government. let's start with your coverage of the conflict in eastern congo and the m 23 rebels. there are very few journalists in

the region and you've written big stories. tell us about the response. yeah, i think i have to have your books. a lot of, you know, i think you are hopefully you get at least what yes, you are not allowed and you know, i'm no coverage if you get a. 2 completes, mixed up with government books, government local, the local, eat up to port under i, i'm not allowed to talk to 123. and that's, i think my,

my books will not help you much because i'm not allowed to make it that we've all, we've, we've but you do not want to talk, but you get, you have to talk to ripple if people government dr. b plus he's local or local local. this might not be for me. i think that's really the case that you see my reports. we don't all, all the people driven by reports daily,

but you'd be because i might come to that that doesn't make sense to me to finish my book but voting up might look like we made it out. i think we see what a part of my country knox makes up. tell us about some of the challenges that you face in the field. what's it like, for example, to cover stories like the, the conflict in eastern congo or sexual assaults by united nations peacekeepers? what's the reaction when these stories are published and your name is on the by line? you know, something like that. you need to find them somewhere. because the how many

contacts are spokesman up with new school. when, when the studies are out mainly by lead, a. 2 communication books, mom, dad just coming back to be just read the love you hope you have said it might be something that i missed, but you know, i've said that i have to go, you know, my make good. what was the judge and also some pain in who had

a great job. thank you all many challenge east lake or so for example, i mean, really, if i left to go on, so i have to use like, because the road is safe to use like a craft of way for unicef. a how to you have to go with a new school to build someplace like a half maybe challenge a to prepare my my travel a. so kelly's a sometime, you know, i'm a i can bridge in the mail it to do friday. if i sent, you have to replay me on monday or tuesday, not that many,

many tenants walk as isn't it to my friends of mine who are journalists, tell me that they stay as active as possible on social media. so that if something happens to them, people will notice that they're no longer reporting responding. they say that this gives them a certain modicum of security. do you agree with that? i've noticed that you're active on social media as well. you know, i said i used to have to be late or so we have what's up again, i need to share some news or so it's somewhat so, you know, today we have to make some as again, i just, you have to be connected to the other day or so we, we have to be keep as actually yesterday mess, you know,

what do we have to be retained? what is happening? and also to follow up a some news up something which is good, right? you've certainly not chosen an easy life. what advice would you give to other freelancer, independent journalists who are working in dangerous areas, are working on sensitive issues with little or no governmental support or protection? how can they protect themselves on the 1st of all, it can be in good relationship, ways with you. you have to be, you have to have good relationships with league, and that's also to be following up. if you have to go, what can i do to be safe?

and also do you have to me if you was supposed to have medical relationship? government government if something is happening or to do proficient, you'll walk, walk, walk, and it's all new because i think it will be good and also avoids they go they go when you become or do the way. 1 it just gets data i need to

get. i think that you would not when you are way i think that's you will not be good relationship with people. now you finally could ra, i wanted to ask if you cover stories elsewhere in africa. and if so, what are the differences from country to country regarding freedom of the press and protection for journalist who's doing it right. and who's doing it wrong? i guess in this less, it's not, he's not. that's some wanting to grow. one. 6 but, you know, people kind of have to have to fully you know, when someone is president, he will not want sounds good. i need to

speak to med later in news, but like, i need just to be nice to read the news, to me. but then at least we have anything we that's we have the following that's, that's, that's, you know, again i did it, but i guess that's because i'm done. i mean, i don't, i'm not ready to make use because i'm a journalist. we have a law. i wrote and you know what, what do you beat to it's not it's dangerous. thank you to our guest,

could romero who is doing courageous things with his life in congo, and thank you for joining us on yet another episode of the whistleblowers. remember the words of martin luther king junior who. busy said we must continue to speak out against all forms of injustice to ourselves and to others. and we will set a mighty example for our children and for future generations until next time i am john curiosity and this has been the whistleblowers. ah. 2 2 2 2 2 ah ah

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