me. 2 2 2 every week we tell you about whistleblowers from around the world, many of whom put their careers and lives on the line to speak truth to power. some countries protect their whistleblowers, others do not. but what happens when you are a journalist in a country that has no protection for truth tellers, a country where even reporting the news may put you at odds with the government. i'm john curiosity and you're watching the whistleblowers. ah. hello and welcome back to the whistleblowers. i'm john curiosity. the international federation of journalists reports that 45 journalists were killed while doing their jobs in 2021. 33 of them were murdered in targeted attacks in places as diverse as

afghanistan, syria, iran, and mexico. at the same time, $345.00 journalists were arrested and imprison last year, just for doing their jobs. it's tough enough to be a whistleblower, and to report on waste, fraud abuse and illegality. but what is it like to be a journalist where freedom of the press is not respected and we're doing one's job is so dangerous. we're going to discuss this and more with our next guest, congo based freelance journalist qu drum ali ro, kuda. thank you so much for joining us and welcome to the show. cooter. how does a freelance journalist or an independent journalist protect himself or herself in a country like congo where you're often called on to report from conflict zones, or on sensitive issues like mining labor unrest, or even threats to civil rights? to be history? or yet, if you had a few where is that, you know, with that so you don't have any, any,

any contract with the media. it's so little, it's hard for her to be to, to be journalists, thriller, so that's quadrants because something. ready you could be arrested or something has to happen without any supports and it's very have no this get liquor. a for example, make me, i, well, you still get us. it, it is we have, we are, we have to be a follow by you can, will, is government companies are also something musicians can just send you the message that's it's very had a can say to boot, generating the specter is to in years you have received threats, warnings from the police and the government, and you've been denied access to do your job. how do you deal with something like

that? how do you protect yourself and yet continue to do your job as a reporter? yeah, i remember the last when anchor illustrates when it was in to so that she few, i reports, i read books. i bought some news about about a lady. 3 but i can just say there isn't one ah identity. what's about that news? when you go out to break was cute. get some built us that the school abuse many little d r a c. and that's not, that's i do an investigation with chris. i just make somebody that you're on so i talked to selma, some people who defrost of,

if i ask them about about those stoked us. and that's not that i get to many 3, and i left, i think in june when people are out to break up, be a here outbreak, a coming in seattle area. i good to many problems. walk with that. i many times that you need to say whether or not that yeah, but you know, we can give you a preview because you do that fits so one that we don't want you to read about about what you see,

things like that. it's pretty walk like john i just back that would be the pick up when brooklyn there are several especially sensitive topics that you reported on, including fighting in eastern congo between government forces and m. 23 rebels who are supported by rwanda. the congolese government has threatened you with the rest because of your reporting. again, how do you protect yourself and continue to do your job? do you find yourself having to self sensor? for example. 6 when you, when you look at your new risk, that's what we get to see. if we got you with the

rebel stuff there, we are mostly up even i and you see things like that. you must be careful when you're watching it. and now you'll have a protocol, what is going good, interesting what it means of communication face. that's the case. it, that's a protocol. i think that's true if you really if you can get you can use it. you are so you can walk, it could run what happens if god forbid the government arrests, you and you become one of those journalists incarcerated for doing his job. who is there to stand up for you and for your rights in a country that's really not known?

for its protections for journalists, who do you turn to? is there international support, for example, for congress journalists. i'm a member. a city shall know that i missed the 1st one. i think i got some problem. i think a statement about my arrested. if i could arrest it or to a member for a race africa that is there. but yeah, if you can. yeah. we have a bad day. i just wanted to re think what is happening. what's the problem after my lease for so i'm not a lease here cohort. did i miss you a list?

i think if i go to problem, i think just up so maybe statement that also i've had a story social media or so. i think it really did it. i went to it for me on each of them is that then i just have a problem. yeah, we just use a regular oh so the i can see. okay, we can do like what we've been talking about. so all state governments, you're watching the whistleblowers, we're going to take a short break and then continue our conversation with congolese journalists. could ramiro stay tuned. 2 ah

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from the local news. latisha them yet from spanish, especially with ah, welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry aka were speaking with could ramos 0. he's a freelance journalist in the congo covering some of the most difficult and controversial issues in the country for such outlets as the associated press or since france press. and reuters good how you back hydra? i wanted to ask you some of the, about some of the controversial stories that you've covered and what the response has been from the congolese government. let's start with your coverage of the conflict in eastern congo and the m 23 rebels. there are very few journalists in

the region and you've written big stories. tell us about the response. yeah, i think i have to have to do our books. i do a lot of, you know, not get you on a list. what you yes, you are not allowed that deal with a c or a. 2 coffee or just make it with government spokesman government so much less a t t a. and the problem is i, i'm not allowed to talk with you and i

think generally speaks my, my reports would not have a stroke because i'm not allowed to make. so we, we, we spoke, but we do not need to talk, but in this case you have to talk to people. if people have to talk to somebody governments, you have to talk to a local or no, no local. i guess my reports, not because of that to be for me. i a guy that you see my reports without a lot of people, but you know,

he said yes, but you'd be because my company that doesn't make it easy for me to finish my funding up in like 2 weeks. maybe it would be out and i think we see what i spent so sort of not tell us about some of the challenges that you face in the field. what's it like, for example, to cover stories like the, the conflict in eastern congo or sexual assaults by united nations peacekeepers? what's the reaction when these stories are published and your name is on the by line? you know, something like that. you need to initial a how many contacts a spokesman or maybe that's the new school

when when the student is out, he's mainly by lead. 2 a good communication books, my dad just coming back to me just read you. lucky you did. you have a good luck with that john this but a. busy go, you know, my make good, my good was the judge. and also sometime yes, it will have

a great job. thank you. it's have many challenges. so for example, i mean, really, if i want to go to go on, so i have to use it because the road is safe to use a craft of way for unicef. a how to you have to pull it up for a new school to go to some place like maybe up a half, maybe 10 inch fast trip up by like travel a. so kelly's a something you know, i can bridge e mail it to do friday. if i send some, you have to replay me or monday or tuesday, maybe,

maybe tenants walk as isn't it to my friends of mine who are journalists, tell me that they stay as active as possible on social media. so that if something happens to them, people will notice that they're no longer reporting a responding. they say that this gives them a certain modicum of security. do you agree with that? i've noticed that you're active on social media as well. you know, as i did, i used to have to be only oh, so we have what's up i need to share some news or so if it's from one or so, you know, we have to make some as again i just, you have to be connected to the other day or so we, we have to be keep as actually yes, i miss,

you know, what do we have to, to be share every day. what is happening and also to follow up a new something which is good, right? you've certainly not chosen an easy life. what advice would you give to other freelancer, independent journalists who are working in dangerous areas, are working on sensitive issues with little or no governmental support or protection. how can they protect themselves? distrust on it to be in good relationship. we are, we speak was mia. you have to be a, you have to, to have good relationships with league us or so i to, to be to following up the new protocol. if something is chance you have to following up, what can they do to be safe?

and also, do you have a to me or if it's possible to have you have to you needed to, to have some relationship with governments of governments. literally. if something is happening or so, or to do proficient that your walk to walk where you walk and present respects all new in the country, i think that it will be good or not. so appoint between pm maker lego. when you are asked to have like, it had become or are you happy to to where to where little jackets, laker chris id be figured id i think that's you would not say when you

oh you are. you are wearing. it's exact. you will not be good relationship with people. now you finally could ra, i wanted to ask if you cover stories elsewhere in africa. and if so, what are the differences from country to country regarding freedom of the press and protection for journalists who's doing it right. and who's doing it wrong? i paid this in this less. it's not, you know, that's some wanting to grow. one. 6 but, you know, do you have to have to fully you know, when someone is president, he will not want some needs to be made later. but news.

but why does it need to be new to the news to me. but for me, again, at least we have a lot we that's we have the following. that's that's, that's not done. i did it. but i guess that's because i don't, i'm not ready to make use because i'm a journalist. we have a lot a lot and you know what, what do you be to it's not it's big news.

thank you to our guest, could romero who is doing courageous things with his life in congo, and thank you for joining us on yet another episode of the whistleblowers. remember the words of martin luther king junior, who said, we must continue to speak out against all forms of injustice to ourselves and to others. and we will set a mighty example for our children and for future generations until next time. i'm john kerry aku. and this has been the whistleblowers. 2 2 2 2 2 ah, i'm willing to do it, you know cranium. t doria, anemia is she ship a doctor? lean that ship with control?

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ah. in 1935 fascists, italy, led by dictator benito mussolini decided to expand its colonial empire in africa and take over ethiopia. by that time, ethiopia was the only fully independent state on the continent. back in 1896, it's inhabitants were able to defeat the italian colonists and defend their independence. since then, rome craved for revenge for the humiliating defeat. in the morning of october, 3, 1935. without any announcement, the fascists attacked ethiopia and bombarded it most severely. ethiopian armed forces fought courageously, but the brutality of the italians knew no bounds. they use not only massive bombing

attacks on civilians, but also chemical weapons, toxic gases. this changed the course of the war. as a result of the occupation of ethiopia by the fascists, 760000 people were killed. the capture of the african state was committed with europe stats at approval. britain and france recognized the annexation giving the green light to further fascist expansion in the world and bathing the way for the outbreak of world war 2. ah, [000:00:00;00]

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