aggressive attack against my country that went on for 8 months, in which tens of thousands of libyans, civilian and military personnel died. a country lays on groins. all sectors of the economy and society stated libya is a failed states, and its neighbors are also feeling the consequences of such a military intervention. we spoke for the whole world to the international community before the back 4 weeks. i personally, as the spokesperson for the libyan government, suggested many peaceful and lee and on the ground solutions to the international community and united nations. we were never taken seriously. we were ridiculed an attack, attacked in the main stream media and the centers of weston power. libya and

actually heated coal and many tribal conferences were held before and it was many libby and societal meetings and delegations were moving all around the country, trying to find a solution to the very small as a matter of fact, civil conflict of can call it that that took place in very small pockets of the libyan land. but the lies and the false hulu of the international meaning stream media media will let me just get to a live where you would say it was alive because, i mean, there was frances fukuyama that academic. there was a national endowment for democracy, is intellectuals. and there's of the i c, c, chief prosecutor louis moreno ocampo for my now he, he was saying, and this was the amplified by your mainstream meeting. we a paraphrase again. he basically said we have information, there was a policy to rape and libya. those who are against it, apparently her apparently gadhafi used it to or punish people.

and i know amnesty international came out against that. i. c. c prosecutor's, her quote. but that's the kind of thing that i, well, you were involved in is what was going round, the mainstream media, a regime that used rape. people are much more intelligent than that. libya now let's assume it's the scene of the crime has been for 12 years and the total control of the west, all of its institutions archive documents, t, v. 's street cities and villages have been under total control of the u. n. why haven't they? in 12 years found any evidence for the charges that accused us of not just rate. they accused us of killing $10000.00 civilians within 5 days of the start of the trouble. they accuse us of re being 8000 bee and women ridiculous. they accused us

of flattening whole neighborhoods in tripoli, with air raids in the 1st week. they accused us of importing more than 20000 free can mercenaries into the country. we are not supernatural magicians option if these crimes own this scandal occurred. in 12 years, they would have found the victims, their families, the streets in which these crimes where taking place and libya is a very tribal, very islamic, very society, people are very linked to each other. they are all cousins and friends and neighbors. you can never commit such a run the crimes in the 1st place, let alone hide them and hide the evidence. for 12 years, my understanding is even without evidence of the journalists who are amplifying those stories of all one awards for their work in amplifying. would you say are in

fact complete lies. so what happened to the elections? i mean, safe, good efie who, you know, came down from his mountain headquarters and suddenly the elections that would do to be held suddenly don't happen. and everyone, again in mainstream media was saying there's a process, everything is going to be ok. i don't know whether that men install a western puppet, but save good their fees just by as president, seem to stop the elections in quotes. yeah, think of the confederate, the international community, of course it's the west that is the international community. they said that they were 100 percent ready to hold free and democratic elections in libya. almost 50 years ago. everything was in place that you were n i was, you know, had it's a point in the country. and suddenly civil slam, of course, with bravery and courage and with the support of people getting the sun in case

people don't have a list of some stuff you know, june, yet he went to the official election place was other than his formal pay. but that is just the, just as any residential candidate. this should have been welcome as a good progressive piece for the step to avoid, including all the factors of libya, society, and any possibility of conflict. on the contrary, immediately the american ambassador in libya and the british ambassador, they said, oh, there are now complications, and the gods too, who can present themselves to be better than to leave us. and we need to reconsider the whole process to make sure that there are no complications in the future. who are you to decide in the future of libya and who are you as a foreign ambassador to decide who that will be and people can choose. you see this take us back to the very idea. she was the west one,

libya is chaos and maintenance of the scales they want for a year from military conflict, them from to be in cities. then for another year, some fake elections done for the parliament for both of them. and then for another year, some tribal conflicts on the borders with nisha chad and then some smuggling smuggling of african workers to be sold as slaves on the coast and city cities of libya. and they changed the game the face of the game of the game every year when they want the election 3 years ago. this was just another phase that they wanted to learn and, and therefore maintain chaos and libya. federalist duffy would have ended this game completely. and would have one with a landslide elections and libya, libya know that libya be us talk to each other that we meet with our enemy, the libya. they are not our enemies anymore. from 2011,

we have negotiations. dialogue. we rely on our religion on our common identity to you in our history of you had that getting the invaders from outside and the west is care. the west is scared of our common identity. a common goal, common interests and works very hard. just like a did in iraq, like a didn't see i could didn't. i'm gonna stand like it's trying to do in many other countries. and simply slum is not an individual is a movement and he is, he's present wherein g y, where, where is he in any case? i mean, i should say, i mean, i remember him in london when he was kind of with the, the liberal elite in british society. does he still support the things you were just expressing where the old ideas of is the father rather than he could easily just become another american puppet. and where is he?

why honey, come on this program? well, for, i will give you this for the international media fearful as lamb is not there. you can't really interview with him at the moment, but he is planning to talk to the live cable directly through whatever means he deems appropriate bucks. save it as long as not them hiding every single libyan tribe. and i mean it's even the tribes that where he's enemies and 2011 everything . libyan city. all of them they have met and are still meeting with 7 on a daily basis on daily basis. they have dialogue, they have to go see ations. they are writing down projects and ideas in total agreement about the future of the, of the country. many of them actually are supporting 50 for the president of libya . many don't, many don't, and that's fine. that's fine by says very fine. but only because what we want is an

inclusive political system that is independent of for intervention, not just the libya, but there africa. just remember she, this is about africa, not just about libya. well, the un envoy of delay bodily as senegalese gentlemen. he seemed to accept his presidential nomination before the elections were ab stopped. who is this you and envoy? because he was shown recently. i think he was showing a picture of him self shaking hands with the ca, assets. kelly, for hafta, who many in socal, mainstream media, a russian asset. but of course the famous be worked at the ca for the ca. so what do you think of this un envoy who is wandering around your country talking about the future of your country? his just another action he is, the a, you know, you and representatives in libya,

they come and go imagine 8 representatives in 12 years. they doesn't work though. no, he does not want you to think i can use a free can politician. i personally do not blow his politics, he's a liberal leanings and his love for the western values. i think he is detached from the african continent and detached from the real struggles of the african nations. and if you actually read about, he's not history and politics, you don't see him fighting for the independence of africa or for the 20th. i think a nation. so for me is just another figure is the 8 and they come and go because they use them. they use them, they come, they present solutions, fake solutions. they just make sure that the game of chaos is maintained and they make them sometimes americans like stephanie williams, sometimes arabs like some fella sometime and i think and like,

but usually sometimes your opinions, the idea is as the west is the controller of the whole scene they work very hard to keep things going, so people cannot stop and cancel this conspiracy against the country and be what i'm not aware and able to change the key points of the game. talk to miss abram, i'll stop you there. more from the late mom. i get off is for miss were expressing after this break. ah the ah

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ah ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with libby as former information minister and official spokesperson for the late one. gadhafi. dr. ms. abraham. tell me about half deck as the wall street journal, the murdock paper reported that the biden c. i a boss, bill burns, more or less ordered after to expel the russian wagner group, which is it was fighting in ukraine from here. whoa, whoa, what is half does rule role and of the russian sir, been totally hoodwinked by ag,

after hafta is was and as i see i search, he is just playing his part. what is planned for the country, which is to keep it divided and keep it like an easy prey for western powers. he is a little bit more intelligent and a little bit more popular in the east of the country than politicians and generals . because he was a friend and a comrade of daffy for decades. then he switched sides towards the late eighty's. so he is a little bit more complicated, but certainly can he be brought around? surely if he came round to the idea of the tribes of safe gadhafi and i should say, nato bowling said they've got isn't as popular as you maintain. could be built round. would he be useful in this struggle for a truly independent sovereign? libya, well, the popular base that has to has in the east of the country is actually kinetic

base. that i myself trust. there's just so high as i mean. yeah. let's see. and we had to deal with him because he had the power, he had the weapons that were provided to him by the west. he had the money that was provided to him by the americans. so they dealt with this reality. and they were able, indeed to clean if you like me east part of the country from islamic terrorism. i think the wagner forces, later on plato ruined because there was a lot different regional and international power of us to intervene in the country to increase their kills. so the turkish military has a presence in libya, the military, the italian, the french, and some african countries as well. they have different levels of, of presence in the country. but then when the crane, the issue came up, the west changed this course and started the landing that any wagner should leave

the country under the split pastor in a tight corn because he had his dealings with the french with, with, with these groups as well. and now he has to decide, i believe, because he is originally i see, i said he will decide to side with the americans and the west. what happens to be an official today if they don't support nato policy? as regards the war against russia through ukraine? are we don't have to guess very much care. the western ambassador, especially the american ambassador, rich of norland and the british ambassador that they have been talking to be an official. and they have been warming everyone that they should get in line and should support the west efforts against russia. as a matter of fact, if you listen to the statements issued by a libyan politician from left on the east and west,

you can hear the fear of their voices. and you can see how scripted, their statements are, and they are highlighting their support for ukraine and, and highlighting the libby as financial support and just more of the support but financial support. i'm just speaking support a debate, but the president of the unity government was appointed by the west. of course he actually went further than that and send him so that they are sending hell by logistics and financial support to the ukranian people. and so what more more than the victims of the earthquake in turkey or in syria who are obviously syria or our lives in palestine or our brothers in africa and our borders. we have people in trouble in egypt and the new year. and so these are our neighbors, maybe ukraine is here, libya who knows, i'll get to the money proper and i'm in

a moment. but then nordstrom attack, when you heard about the well see what her saying, the joe biden to the blank and victorian unit, jake seller, destroyed, you believe that was in a sense, the libby, a playbook being played out in europe, that kind of destruction. we saw the greatest infrastructure terrorist act in his strong and to use chaos and maintain it. this is the playbook of the west. they do this through different means whether it's direct attacks will be destroyed, police station destroyed military situations. infrastructure. so chaos is introduced and then them in detail in this case with political games. the same thing for, for ukraine, the same thing for iraq and syria. but the idea is the same. you have to shock people, you have to, but fear in their hearts. you have to divide them whether by their tribes or their

religion or day of geography or whatever you can find to study and find. that's why a kid that makes in the west are actually in alliance and intellectual with the military power of their, of their country. so i believe that the gradient thing was planned not a year ago, not 2 years ago, but a long, long time ago, but certainly since 2014, in which the west supported, the turmoil and ukraine supported the targeting of civilians and ukraine in the east a few grand knowing that this will be why the country may be a will for russia to intervene to protect the civilians. and then the case is there . so what you do is you maintain it, you manage it, you know, of course, that many people will die, doesn't matter. the idea is that the ukraine would be fully and the under your control. and you will push other countries like russia to go into war and then you

have to punish them and you get the world behind. you have failed except yeah, i mean it's slightly different. just libby or example where arguably the entire world left you alone because even in washington, they're talking about all is, is flux and change and new deals in the breaking of us sanctions. i've got to ask you what you thought of china brokering a steel or it is a diplomatic deal between the kingdom of saudi arabia and iran, where i'm speaking to you in the u. e. that already had diplomatic representation back a few months, a back. what does it mean for libya that said that the arab world and the islamic world is getting together? if you have the chance of reading my articles published in the last 2 or 3 years, you will see that i time and again talk about the building of

a new world order in which the south the globe south is counted and has a place. what is happening between silver abn, iran under the supervision of china? that is no small indeed. this is a shift of international power. this is not the wishful thinking. i think the east and the south are gonna come together and build a new system. it will take time, it's not something easy. and this is something gradually. i think there's a shift of power. russia is playing a huge role in this positive. i believe china is also important. china is working slowly and gradually trying to antagonize the west as much as possible. i think in the next few years, we're going to see brazil, south africa, and they g, possibly egypt, and many other countries joining in, in this shifting power structure. i'm hoping that this would allow the global south

to free itself from the shackleton of global capitalism. hell, but develop itself and find the maneuvering space away from the west. it's not a rosy picture, there's a lot of work to do, but i believe china, so you're able to run this moment is a major movement. it's very similar to, you know, the mystery woman of the 20th century like the swiss canal, for example, which ended the british empire as a cue to join the shanghai corporation organization to the ages of the communist body of china. just given that it's the anniversary, soccer z, then president of france, may be facing jail for corruption in any case. but do you think that david cameron and obama will ever be punished, face any justice or punishment for their role in the destruction of your country? well, i hope they will one day what we are working on is to hold them responsible in front

of our people and the people of africa. and i need them to do that. i think if they're all the money, i want to get all the money just finally very briefly, the money where is all the money? i mean by and said about oil fields in syria. we're going to walking by the oil fields and we're going to take them from syria and they're stealing them right now . that's what's the drugs are pictures of. who's ceiling lea libya? oil right now, who's made all the cash? i don't know where this is. libyans over and well, funds money is i don't know where the oil is, how the oil is getting out through the mediterranean. who's stealing it? the stephen, stephanie williams. she was the you and representative of libya just before about tv. she herself admitted that $570000000000.00 were lost from libby

since 2011. most of it through loss of oil revenue or through the 5th of libyan assets, or through what they call corruption, which is of course linked to western powers. and libyan wealth indeed was the smuggler away specially. and the 1st fear that after the invasion, $1215.00 on the 14th. but now with dealings with the official contracts, that the libyan government is signing with everyone with the states, u. k. a problems. and lastly, actually just a month ago with italy, libby the money is leaving libby and pockets without any positive return for the lithium people. any honest journalist to go to live in cities look actually be in the schools or hospitals, roads, and to sions of all kind. they will see a country that has been robbed that had been failed in every aspect.

libya as she, let's remember, was about to issue the african golden dinar, the frog and was building the biggest gold reserve in the, in the continent to support the issuing of the golden, the not. libya also is the founder of the african union and $999.00. libya was also about to initiate the foundation of the african natural resources organization and the african unified army. all of these projects were real and they own and took the 1st steps toward being realized now from a leader of the equipment and libya is in ruins, is devastated. and even want to try to move forward. like what's happened with the west. make sure that this does not take place. they introduce more elements of the

chaos they make sure like. and the last few days is as we speak. now, there are scared machines in the capital of libya and other cities and fuel citizens have already been killed. and there are also try build conflicts in the, on the board of libya. and we know for sure that we have the slave market of africa workers is still going own. that's the, that's what, as famously people said, that's what a black president of the united states did, ironically create, say, markets back again in africa. nader nations obviously deny the corruption. but just how many se, cia or am i 6 offices? do you think are currently in libya? and why do the tribal groups? why can't they meet with them? well, again, again, i'm going to quote for you, i was the west themself. stephanie williams said that they believe in libya,

there are 10 foreign military bases. that's 10 for military bases and 20000 foreign fighters in the country. that's a country of 70000000. this is a huge army. foreign military bases belong mainly to italy and france and turkey. these 3 countries, but there is a major intelligence presence of the british and the americans, more than direct military present aeroplanes, war plains, land on the la olivia every, every day in the city and in the airport and in tripling. so there is a substantial presence that no one and the western media talks about, well, no one discusses. after 12 years of promising libyans democracy, prosperity and human right. well, as you know,

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