formation from behind bars and some of them indeed betray israeli prisoners like 5 star hotels. we show one such claim to it out. he watched him carefully. so very big delay because the deserted boards ers, we told the one door builder a very strong inside montoya libertas tina produced notice in order to make it easy for the world, the really community and for others underwear to understand the attack when the bliss to notice at dameon is that a mala based angio that defends prisoners rise in israeli and international chords . and in the media, they documented piles of violations and discrimination in more than 3 decades of work. if you re compare with the treatment of the is that only prisoners inside the israeli prisons, even those that they are arrested for security cases. even those that they are convicted with attacks against palestinians,

they would be treated differently from their palestinian prisoners. this is part of the apartheid regime that we're talking about that the israeli state is imposing amnesty international and human rights watch issued numerous reports condemning some israeli policies regarding palestinian prisoners. however, the international criminal court which is examining the legality of israel settlement, for example. so far decided not to investigate the prisoner situation. hoarding to their arms there, took it, transferring the prisoners is a war crime. torture is a war crime. arbitrary detention is a war crime. these are violations are systematic and wide spread and it's used for decades. so there is a very powerful base to claim that in the case of the prisoners, there is a commitment like israel is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. this

is all for praise and the only israeli jail, technically situated in the west bank palestinian prisoners behind these walls as well as in other israel prisons have been suffering from violations. their human rights. as these are, as new conservative government intensifies, it's cracked down if their conditions are not improved, the anger may spill out into the streets healthy occupied westbank fueling can already dramatic escalation on the ground river ocean r r t, from the palestinian administration. well of it and he is out in the valley is on cross talk. next will be back at the top of the out. we hope you'll join us for ah,

i hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the chinese president's visit to russia is historic for a number of reasons. first to accent, the growing russia, china strategic partnership, and 2nd, to demonstrate what both countries publicly advocate the transition to a multi polar world beyond american hegemony. i cross sucking russia china relations. i'm joined by my guess, matthew errant in tokyo. he's a senior fellow at the american university in moscow and director of the rising foundation of canada in hong kong we have and re lung. he is an international and independent china strategist. and in houston we cross to robert who's alco. he is

a professor of history at the university of houston, as well as co host of the green and red podcast. i, gentleman cross sack rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate andrew, let me go to you 1st and in hong kong, you know, there's a very interesting juxtaposition, if you turn on american television, they're all wondering, of donald trump is going to be arrested later this week for yeah, hush, money and things like that or they're talking about hunter biden's lab top still and at it as they are doing that, we have a world historic meeting going on here in moscow with the chinese president's visit . i mean, how out of touch is the west when it comes to the burgeoning relationship between moscow and beijing? go head andrew in hong kong. well, i think that the west led by the united states is seized our by a bit that the mantra of a, that the american there as a so called liberal order

a to stay forever and led by american hedge money. because the west is regard of is the best system the world should be imposed on all countries. and the whole rivalry with china and, and russia is, is, is hi to be a contest between democracy and authoritarianism. so there was a lot of force rhetoric and our explain why, because as of only about a few days ago, according to the latest research by paris based m. m. a dependent research institution called i, p. s. o s. looking at the happiness index of countries around the world as to what extent are people in different countries are few happy under their government? and guess what? china came on top and the number 2 is saudi arabia were the start to are not

democracies, but yet there people have never felt happier than before. so this is because their lives of the as far as china is concerned at the lives of the vast majority of the people have been miraculously transform under the tutelage of the chinese communist party for the past 4 years. and this has been confirmed also the support of the people, the government on for also by harvard kennedy school study at a year and a half ago. and by the an element e l m a n a barometer base in new york. so this rhetoric about a contest between democracy or call proceed and see the more democracy my country in the world typify by the united states is the happiest, most successful country. as you just said, i mean, previous i'm president donald trump is about to be arrested. come come,

we also solve crimes and let alone immoral acts. well, that's the whole point and he's trying to make, i mean, there seems to be and you know what countries and think what countries are and think which ones aren't. ok. and let me go to a robert in houston. i mean, this is, this is a very important event in the, with the backdrop of china is proposed a 12 point piece process for, for ukraine, just recently broker to deal between saudi arabia in iran. president assad visited moscow recently. there's a lot of things going on in the world here, and it's not necessarily, you know, the west pcs, it is a threat to. there had gemini, but a lot of other actor is welcome this as a real a realignment to forces in the world. i mean, it's something a lot of people in the world actually embrace and i'm not afraid of. go ahead, robert. yeah, that's a key point. the media right now is covered the jeep meetings,

but it's kind of research, see metal or rhetoric. and you know, i think that's what americans don't understand because we kind of get a very different approach to the warranty or from the media, which is very much, basically just kind of more terms good and evil. and it's very simplistic. but you know, way that i think the rest of. ready clearly, she's differently, you know, so you have when you're with united stage, but that is presented kind of is the data. it's not all leads, way what you get into that's clearly not the case. so the united states waiting this war economically, especially against china, for about a decade or so now. and you know, they are still has to be used economy of the world of dollars still used for global as go currency, a manufactured weed on united states. the chinese are trading in asia with rush all over the world. leader with united states has peach tree bouts with us as well as lenders piece proposal,

along with the appropriate negotiation. saudi and iran show kind of america such as was what all of these ways united states, this is jenny charles is my cheater. and so you know it's, it's kind of using the one thing left of his pocket, which is this match a robert budget. robert, don't you find it really interesting is that, you know, just on a and the last new cycle on fox news they were, i guess we're talking about the loss of american hegemony and i think it's so kind of out of sync again, let me go to matthew on this is that a, the world is tired of american hegemony. that's why it's being chao and jan. that's why different centers of power of coming into being, particularly there's the strategic relationship between russia and china. it's really interesting how that they, the west always finds is threatening, but for other countries, particularly russia and china, they find it liberating to be done with american hegemony. it's really amazing the

different mindsets here. go ahead, matthew. yeah, no, absolutely. i mean, a anglo american i'll say anglo to say infuse a little bit of, i think her drama into the causal nexus of the post world war 2 age has been, has had 80 plus years to prove itself and demonstrates its superiority as the best of all possible orders, and what we've seen is just simply hundreds of regime change operations carried out since most a day in iran and, and even in nicaragua before that and all the way up to the present order assassinations of leaders of different heads of state, including america's own leaders who tried to resist this internet this, this deep state column built up inside of its heart. so you've had a lot of time to prove that the system is the superior order and we've had libya, iraq syria thrown back into dark age chaos. situations in, in the name of the democracy building of the rules based international order. and i mean, if you just read the chinese a globe both a global security initiative but also the,

the u. s. had gemini and its perils. another document out wanting its philosophy of how governance and especially on security, should operate back on february 21st 22nd. it really lays out that look, the only thing it works is when, when cooperation and looking at points of collaboration which manifest in things like iran, saudi arabia on taunts the turkey syria relationship, beginning to re hill slowly. right. did this work africa where i need the development for africa works. and so i think what we see coming in with shooting things visit to russia has been a real hope for the 3rd world that ever, i only want to say the 3rd world, but the world it's been prevented from developing and become modern for the past. matthew, i refer to it is the global majority and because that's exactly what it is here, let me go back to andrew and in hong kong, i guess what really gets american foreign policy people upset is that china is proposing piece around the world, you know, brokering day, you know,

saudi arabia and iran, you know, that that was a tough one to do. the united states was not in a position to do it because it, puget, sides, china didn't choose aside. that's why we have a piece processed there, potential piece process, put it that way. go ahead andrew. well, i think that done. it's your politics lot usually dictated by philosophies as this dictate that usually about a change of power. our power in them, you can all the power and to political power and all these dynamics are changing all the time. out of the 2nd world war, of course, the only and largest and most powerful country have been the united states and they were happy and able to call the shots. and, and they thought that, ok, i'm less bring china into this system. and so that, and any kind of for cheap goods can be outsourced to china together with the polluting industries. and then they reap the best of the benefits. so sitting on

top of the pile, without realizing that china, having joined the w t o as growing this economy, now the 2nd largest and is grown to be the world's largest trader. i had the united states and the largest manufacturer and, and the center of the supply and very chain and, and everything is always making almost everything is making china. you go to the markets and, and, and even if the product is not mark big in china, taurus, if embedded in, it's somewhere in terms of logistics in terms of components in terms of materials and so, and that, that's the reality. and, and then of course china now and seem to be eating american sluggish, no longer exporting only cheap goods, but also high technology goods. and in some measure in this, and then let me jump in here and again, i want to get robert in before we go to the big it. andrew brings up an interesting point. i mean, why does one country have to be number one?

why can there be a multi polar world? i mean, that's a, that's what the chinese and the russians are as you. why does why, why do we need a head human, robert? know exactly, and especially for the last 30 years, the only guy united states that you know, career all damaged and were that child, especially from china and you have the really great prob, global warming. you might just release another really dire reports which are being set aside and we have this reserves or rhetoric based on military aggression and special military power basset defense by just because i think like i said that's, that's what you got to laugh at. it's, it's last major, you know, play, which is, you know, military power building weapons building miss out. we are weapons bases all our bases overseas based. okay. robert, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a break here. but why do you think being number one, have to be the military? why can it be prosperity or trade? i mean that with that is for quite some time i'm going to let you get an answer

that when we get back from our break, generally we're gonna go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new state with ah ah, [000:00:00;00]

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china relations with ok. let's go back to robert in, in houston. i want you to finish off your answer before we went to our break here. i mean it's, you know, i, you know, matthews already touched on it. robert, but you know that this whole had gemini model with rules based order, whatever that means it's not working. it's not working for the vast majority of the world. and that's why we see these movements to get away from it. maybe financial control in the dollar. all of this because that's just a weapon, it's a cudgel ok. and more and more countries say they don't want to be fall victim to that. they want prosperity and they want security. that's not ideological for the vast majority of the world. but american hegemony has seen in, in, in, in washington, in london, in brussels, maybe even kev is very ideological. go ahead, robert. yeah, well, it's not really united states for america. it's either, you know, it might be for the top one percent or the top 10 percent like read a grill and crises right now. you know, bank wages, the health care system,

united states, it really terrible condition housing debt. and so in lieu of taking action that would, you know, kind of alleviate the problem because he's got it staged our re servicing the cold war and mccarthy's of, you know, that would be social, straight off here with the socials of the u. s. so instead, you know, you kind of make this plate for germany based on military strength, is military power. you create to use these charter when she adams called the monsters to destroy long ago, right after world war 2. george kennedy was to question, do you have 6 percent of the population and 50 percent of the wealth and our task is to maintain this position of disparity. and that's where we still america policy to, to maintain the power to meet the electrical power. and it used to sell the idea to america, get prosperity from detroit, the steel mills that base like that, that's not there anymore. now it's based on fear and, and all these other problems that emerge. and so you talk about things like china, russia rather than think global warming,

which is obviously great prices for any of the extinction of the entire planets. and in the us, we're just not really discussing it or doing much about it. yeah, well i don't really see any meaningful political discussion in the states if you watch cable news anyway. you know, matthew, i started out by talking about, you know, a multi polar world and how both rush and china are working towards it. now i think that's a very smart idea. it's for security reasons. it's very, but it's very practical and pragmatic because the, the west war against russia is to take russia out, break it up, and then good take on china and the chinese and the russians both know that. go ahead, matthew. yeah, that's right. i mean, divide and conquer has been the age old formula. it's been applied again again for centuries. obviously the nuclear bomb hadn't really distorted or thrown off that formula for the past 80 years. but the being present, he said it directly in 1087 that you know,

you laid out the designs for what is it something like 12 micro federations with ethno nationalistic orientations that should be put under the dominance of the u. s . a. b i m f. if the yeltsin doctrine, the soros doctrine that had taken control of russia back the 1980s had been not subverted by actual patriots. nationalists who didn't want to sacrifice their, their heritage on this altar of the new world order. so it, instead again and again in various ways we have similar us think tanks that have images of a carved up china, a highly reduced in size with maybe 6 little micro federations under the control of the world bank. and i m f and trying to cease that the, the ukraine formula is being applied in its own back yard, in the, in the guise of both taiwan and japan, which have their own sort of similarities to ukraine situation in their own way. and any complete, you know, full spectrum military dominance, a military build up around their perimeter, just like in russia. and we have the same discussion,

the arctic. so the see where the, where things are going and they see that the u. s. is sitting on the biggest time bomb called the financial bubble. oh yes. only matter. oh yeah, lapses. oh yeah. so that's a big factor. yeah, yeah. i look, look who has problems with dad and i can tell you who's going to be a problem in the world. ok. it, you know, andrew, it, it's very interesting to me is that, you know, um that it, everyone likes to say that this is a marriage of convenience, the russians and the chinese. but it actually, i look at it this way is that, you know, that russia and china are accused of being a revisionist powers, revisionists powers, actually their status quo powers. they, they want to appeal to the united nations charter. and the rules based order has nothing to do with the, with the un charter. but, you know, with western propaganda, it's actually quite as sophisticated in its ubiquitous, you know, but there is a huge distinction between looking towards the charter and this rules based order andro. well, of course,

the am special relationship between russia and china as the product of, of so food, very powerful dynamic forces. first of all, the relationship already started very close relationship already started well before the current. and you claim, whoa, i mean, and because both countries are extremely complementary. economically, russia has been the world's largest one that was largest exporter of energy and all gas and oil, and as well as minerals, but also agricultural products. and russia is the world largest exporter of agricultural fertilizes. and then china is the world's largest customer, both both energy and the agricultural products. so actually the 2 countries are intertwined together well before the ukraine war. now and then andrew, andrew,

i'd like to point out that neither one of these countries want to export their model to the other one. okay, that's a, a respect of sovereignty and k. and again, that doesn't go along with the rules base order, because you, everyone has to be recreated in the image of the the liberal order which the world does not want. we know that. okay, yeah, let me go, let me go to robert. right now. it interest in reading the pages of politico, it's interesting to the zalinski regime is very hesitant to criticize china. so we have a client state 100 percent client state of the west of the united states. and they are hesitating now because they see the role that russia and china are playing on the world state. it tells you everything you really need to know. a client state is beginning that wants to hedge their bets. very interesting, robert, go ahead. yeah. china is that they did she say, sure, american policy makers more anything else because china is now

a threat to american germany, american power especially can all of our manufacturing trade everything else. and so that's why talks really big shot out of us before they begin to wall street journal, the official war, going to be american ruling elite. they said, you know, dr. a not start with you know, the chinese model has worked that, as you pointed out, i think it's kind of what the u. s. did it, the end of the 19th 20th century is sending out trade sheets and sending out diplomats belton road initiative. the general, these piece docs between the saudis and iran ears. and so would say, hey, we know, you know, in central and central asia and out in the middle east to say we have something to offer you. and your writers are really based on, you know, kind of a commitment to have the same kind of political system or politically. all, it hits this idea, you know, united states called the open door. you know, at the end of the 20th century 19th, 20th and early 20th century, and that's kind of what the chinese you're doing. they're not saying, hey,

we're going to come in here. we're going to blow you to best. we're going to say, you know what, we're fine. proxy armies. ready they're saying is we're gonna, you know, extend trade, we're going to help you develop some kind of manufacturing base that will help you know, the word back of the 20 central would be modernized and it's working on and much of the world. now. china has this diplomatic initiative, this political issue that obviously terrifies united states now. and so you know, you have issues like ukraine, which has been a real boom for great viani, general dynamics and companies like that for beta, right? it gives a reason to adjust another reason to exist but. ready for the globe interview, for the people in the united states here, like i said before, we're not benefiting from this military industrial complex either. you know, you could say in the 50s or sixties, the u. s. was typical american was but now you know, personal, that student, that a deteriorated health care system, horrible infrastructure train, derailments every day, horrible pollution problems. so it's a fairly great political crisis in the united states is focusing on these parks

between your you know, kind of it, it's taking these ancillary issues with blowing up or rather. ready dealing with, with the real problems we face, which is, you know, absolutely. now a really significant child for this, the liberal order, as well as an alternative to this kind of american system. this was kind of, i mean, i mean, it, you know, the new liberal order. it's just as bad for the united states as it is for other countries. exactly. that. yeah. yeah, yeah. i mean, i, for the life of me why the american congress pays ukrainian pensions, but it won't take care of pensioners in america or veterans or any other group. okay. really? yeah. sort of billiards around, but nobody for palestine ohio is trained. goodbye matthew. you know, one of the, one of the biggest difference we see right now is that, you know, ever since the end of the cold war,

the great powers didn't confront each other. they had proxy wars all over the place here. they didn't go toe to toe, but now we see elements within the american administration and want to go toe to toe with russia and china at the same time. the great powers traditionally don't go after each other. you know why? because you can fail. it's existential. that's why we live in a very dangerous time. we have great powers, the united states confronting other great powers that's. that's a no no, because you can lose matthew. yeah, no, absolutely. i mean, again, as i mentioned earlier, the, the advent of the nuclear bomb really change the calculus of how global empire could ever function again and for throughout the cold war period of the mutually assured destruction of formula that was set out by folks like bertrand russell it sorta had a balance of terror that didn't result in destroying everything. but now we're at a point where we have a systemic break. and i think that that factor of transatlantic systemic banking meltdown. but as much as the banking, the physical in struck the physical means of production,

which have been atrophied consistently for 50 plus years, are now variables that are shaping the thinking of certain fanatics who unfortunately have access to the watch mechanisms of many of these nuclear warheads who can do nothing but doubled down on the script that they had laid out back in 109192. when the world was one, it was the, you know, end of nation states and one world government was here and of history. and they seem to still hold on to the delusion at that script still applies to the current age despite the fact that reality has completely changed from their ivory tower. and i think you see some signs of major infighting amongst different factions of oligarchical interest. right now we're some are saying, oh well maybe we should like live to fight another day to board this plan. i think the jeffrey sachs angle is, is playing a role in that. and then on other angles, you have the more fanatical neil con drive of just, you know, we can do nothing but what we're program to do, which is had gemini with no negotiation. and that's scary. it's a very,

very proud of, that's how we end the program. it's scary, it's certainly as gentleman, it's all the time we have a want to thank my guests and toko houston and in hong kong, and want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our tea. see you next time and remember, ross stuck rules ah ah ah. i had to miss the phone with me, another boss with you. i wish to them, but i did. miss stewart with key at the washington keep the process is to dealer monday concrete cranes give us a little bit. i was put in mind to do a spoken of crashes to phone us in the fall claims. did you video with soon as you

a professional in the city and the list of all but with ah ah, we need to stop by the u. k as a now it's not only the supply of tanks to cream, but also shells with depleted uranium. it seems that the west has really decided to fight russia to the last ukranian laws go all that the u. k. will been violating international law if it sends you rainy. i'm, i'm new nation to ukraine and if so, that will be an appropriate response. changing thing, wrapped up his a 3 day visit to moscow saying that china and russia off they hadn't changed is