this river low bit down that way. so obviously the next task is to gain a foothold on the other bank with flew it yet. if urban embankments, mine fields and cranes soldiers is not enough to hold the ground. if they need more

men, they get as many as they feel like and just throw them straight into the grind stones of war. the story of this ukrainian soldier captured outside bill, a gore of car, is one of thousands grisly camilla guerrero pico. they brought us near belanger of car, into gully, where we unloaded. they said to hide between the trees and wait for the command. when we got there, there was no supply, no food, no water, no normal amount of ammunition. when the shalon began, the losses and wounded began. nothing got better and this obviously did not raise the moral of any one. they panicked as always, everywhere. people are seriously young. they were not ready to perform such tasks. immediately upon arrival, they began to disassemble them into assault groups and send them on missions for which they were absolutely not ready. people on i was considered at all when those

of ours in the last batch were sent. we basically all had health problems. one of those who went with me, he had long problems, he could not breathe. he was 57 or 58 years old and had a heart attack right in the middle of the road than he was evacuated right before reaching the destination. the situation is galling for ukraine's troops here and on other parts of the front. even president zalinski, normally oblivious to cray sees, has admitted to this, does resorts on us, woody and those are both very tough in the east, very painful, it is necessary to destroy the military power of the enemy and will, will destroy letter glory of queen mary of dave, go and bar morgan, who did already come anchor when all other places were al future is now been decided, were all future is fighting all the ukrainians. i thank each and every one who is now in the battle. over a newsletter,

a small set of soviet era apartment blocks just south side. the next key force is effected local residence to turn the place into a citadel military experts have been a buzz over ukraine's planned spring counter offensive. and indeed, key of troops have already begun to pro brushes defenses in the south. yet with mounting pressure of the russian army elsewhere, ukraine's capacity to attack is bleeding badly. i'm august done of reporting from the dumbass r t. well, i wrapped up by this new thou, abner fidela val is on cloth walker, my colleague royce, the shea. we'll be with you here. the top of the hour i am road. i'm ari. what are you all a great day? the who's

hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered 9 peter lavelle. the chinese president visit to russia is historic for a number of reasons. first to accent, the growing russia, china strategic partnership, and 2nd, to demonstrate what both countries publicly advocate the transition to a multi polar world beyond american hegemony. the cross talking russia, china relations. i'm joined by my guess, matthew errand in tokyo. he's a senior fellow at the american university in moscow and director of the rising foundation of canada in hong kong. we have andrey loan. he is an international and independent china strategist. and in houston we cross to robert who's alco. he is a professor of history at the university of houston as well as co host of the green

and red podcast. i, gentleman cross groves and effects that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate andrew. let me go to you 1st and in hong kong, you know, there's a very interesting juxtaposition, if you turn on american television, they're all wondering, of donald trump is going to be arrested later this week for hush money and things like that. or they're talking about hunter biden's laptop still. and as they are doing that, we have a world historic meeting going on here in moscow with the chinese president's visit . i mean, how out of touch is the west when it comes to the burgeoning relationship between moscow and beijing? go ahead. andrew and hong kong. well, i think that the west led by the united states is see our by that the mantra or a that the american there as a so called liberal order, or should that to stay forever and led by american haitian money.

because the west is regard of is the best system, the world. it should be imposed on all countries. and the whole rivalry with china and, and russia is, is, is hi to be a contest between democracy and authoritarianism. so there was a lot of force rhetoric and our explain why, because as of only about a few days ago, according to the latest research, by a paris based and independent research institution called the i, p. s. o s. looking at the happiness index and of countries around the world as to what extent are people in different countries are few happy under their government. and guess what? china came on top and the number 2 is saudi arabia, where these 2 are not democracies,

but yet there people have never felt happier than before. this is because their lives of the as far as time is concerned at the lives of the vast majority of the people have been miraculously transform under the tutelage of the chinese communist party for the past 4 years. and this has been confirmed also the support of the people of the government on for also by harvard kennedy school study a year and a half ago. and by the an element e l m a n trust barometer base in new york. so this rhetoric about a contest between democracy or cocker c as the, the more democracy, the democratic country in the world typify part of united states is the happiest, most successful country. as you just said, i mean, we list a president. donald trump is about to be arrested. come to come. you also are crimes and let alone so immoral acts. and that's the whole point i was trying to

make. i mean, there seems to be and you know, what countries in sync or countries are in sync, which ones aren't. ok. i let me go to a robert in houston. i mean, this is, this is a very important event in the, in the, with the backdrop of china is proposed a 12 point piece process for, for ukraine, i just recently broke or to deal between saudi arabia any ran for president assad visited moscow recently. there's a lot of things going on in the world here, and it's not necessarily in the west to sees it is a threat to there had gemini, but a lot of other actors welcome this as a real, a realignment to forces in the world. i mean, is something a lot of people in the world actually embrace and are not afraid of go ahead, robert. yeah, that's a key point. the, the media right now is cover. she could meetings, but it's so, you know,

kind of research, seattle, or rhetoric and, you know, i think that's when americans don't understand because we kind of get a very different approach to the war here from the media. which is very much based in kind of moral terms good and evil. whether it's very simplistic ah, but you know, it, i think the rest of. ready work clearly teaches differently, you know, so you have when you're with united states, but that is presented kind of, it's a dot only way of looking at things that's clearly not the case of the united states, but where you were economically, especially against china per decade or so now and you know, you still have the beast economy of the world, the dollars still used for, for global as go currency of china, a manufactured weed on united states. the chinese are trading in asia with rush, all included with the united states trade bouts with us as well as lenders piece proposal, along with the brokerage negotiation, saudi and iran show chemical america such as well. so all of these ways united

states he's, it's a gemini beach out my cheater. and so, you know, it's, it's kind of using the wanting left of his pocket, which is to smash with robert budget. robert, don't you find it really interesting is that, you know, just on, in the, in the last new cycle on fox news they were on the guest were talking about the loss of american hegemony. and i think it's, it's so kind of out of sync again, let me go to matthew on this. is that a, the world is tired of american hegemony. that's why it's being chao and that's why different centers of power of coming into being, particularly there's the strategic relationship between russia and china. it's really interesting how that they, the west always finds is threatening, but for other countries, particularly russia and china, they find it liberating to be done with american hegemony. it's really amazing the different mindsets here. go head matthew. yeah, no, absolutely. i mean, a anglo american i'll say anglo to say infuse a little bit of,

i think her drama into the causal nexus of the post world war 2 age has been, has had 80 plus years to prove itself and demonstrates its security as the best of all possible orders, and what we've seen is just simply hundreds of regime change operations carried out since most a day in iran and, and even in nicaragua before that and all the way up to the present order assassinations of leaders of different heads of state, including america's own leaders who tried to resist this internet this, this deep state column built up inside of its heart. so you had a lot of time to prove that the system is the superior order and we've had libya. rach sirius, thrown back into dark age chaos. situations in the name of democracy building of the rules based international order. and i mean, if you just read the chinese a globe both a global security initiative but also via the u. s. a gemini and its perils. another document outlining its philosophy of how governance and,

and especially on security, should operate back on february 21st and 22nd. it really lays out that look, the only thing it works is when, when cooperation and looking at points of collaboration which manifest in things like iran, saudi arabia on taunts the turkey syria relationship beginning to re heal slowly. right. did this work? africa were, i mean, the development for africa works. and so i think what we see coming in with shooting things visit to russia has been a real hope for the 3rd world and everything. i only want to say the 3rd world that the world it's been prevented from developing and become modern for the past. matthew, i refer to it is the global majority. and because that's exactly what it is here, let me go back to andrew and in hong kong, i guess what really gets american foreign policy people upset is that china is proposing piece around the world, you know, brokering day, you know, saudi arabia and iran, you know, that that was a tough one to do. the united states was not in a position to do it because it,

puget, sides, china didn't choose aside. that's why we have a piece processed there, potential piece process, put it that way. go ahead andrew. well i think that, damn, it's your politics a lot usually dictated by philosophies as it is the think teeth usually about a change of power, our power in them, you can all the power and to political power and all these dynamics are changing all the time out of the 2nd world war, of course, the only and largest and most powerful country. and i have been the united states and they were have been able to call the shots. and they, they thought that, ok, i'm less bring china into their system. and so that, and any kind of for cheap goods can be outsourced to china together with the polluting industries. and then they read the best of the benefits. so sitting on top of the pile, without realizing that china, having joined the w t o as growing this economy,

now the 2nd largest and is grown to be the world's largest trader. i hate the united states and the largest manufacturer and, and the center of the supply and very chain and, and everything is always making always everything is making china, you go to the markets. and then even if the problem is not mark big in china, taurus, if embedded in his somewhere in terms of logistics in terms of components in terms of materials and so, and that, that's the reality. and then of course china now and seem to be king american sluggish, no longer exporting only cheap goods, but also high technology goods. and in some measure in this, and it will let me jump in here when i get, i want to get robert in before we go to the bay area. andrew brings up an interesting point. i mean, why does one country have to be number one? why can't there be a multi polar world? i mean, that's a, that's what the chinese and the russians are asking. why does,

why, why do we need a hedge, a man, robert? know exactly, and especially for the last 30 years, the really guy united states that you know, career more damaged and were not child, especially from china. and you have a really great crowd global warming. you at just released another really dire reports which are being set aside. this reserves, or rhetoric based on military aggression and special military power. bassett, detached by just because i think like i said, that's, that's with us as a lapse. it's, it's last major, you know, play, which is, you know, military power. i feel the weapons building missile. your webpage base is all our bases overseas based. okay. robert, i have to jump in and we're going to go to a break here. but why does it being number one, have to be the military? why can it be, you know, prosperity or trade? i mean that with that is for quite some time i'm going to let you get an answer that when we get back from our break, generally we're gonna go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new state

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ah, welcome back to cross side, we're all things considered. i'm peter le beltran manager. we're discussing russia, china relations with ok. let's go back to robert in, in houston. i want you to finish off your answer before we went to our break here. i mean it's, you know, i, you know, matthews already touched on it. robert. but you know that this whole hegemony model with rules based order. whatever that means. it's not working. it's not working for the math, vast majority of the world, and that's why we see these movements to get away from it. and then financial control and the dollar. all of this, it has access to weapon. it's a cudgel, okay? and more and more countries say they don't want to be fall victim to that they want prosperity and they want security. that's not ideological for the vast majority of the world. but american hegemony as seen in, in, in,

in washington and london in brussels, maybe even kev is very ideological. go ahead robert. yeah, well, it's not really united states for america. it's either, you know, it might be for the top one percent or the top 10 percent read a green on a crises right now, you know, bank wages, the health care system, united states, it really terrible condition housing debt. and so in lieu of taking action that would alleviate the problem because he's got it staged out resurfacing, the cold war mccarthy's of now that would be social, straight up here with the socials of the u. s. so instead, you know, you kind of make this plate for germany based on military strength, is military power. you create these, these jobs when she adams called the monsters to destroy long ago, right after world war 2. george can stick with us at 6 percent of the population and 50 percent of the wealth, and our task is to maintain this position of disparity. and that's where we still america policy to maintain the power to electrical power. and it used to sell the

idea to america, get prosperity from detroit to steel mills of basis like that, that's not there anymore. now it's based on fear and, and all these other problems did emerge. and so you talk about things like china rush it rather than the global warming, which is obviously great prices for any of the extinction of your entire play on it . and in the us, we're just not really discussing it or doing much about it. yeah, well i, i don't really see any meaningful political discussion in the united states if you watch cable news anyway. you know, matthew, i started out by talking about, you know, a multi polar world and how both rush and china are working towards it. now i think that's a very smart idea. it's for security reasons. it's very, but it's very practical and pragmatic because the, the west war against russia is to take russia out, break it up, and then good take on china and the chinese and the russians both know that. go ahead, matthew. yeah, that's right. i mean, dividing conquer has been the age old formula that's going,

apply it again again for centuries. obviously the nuclear bomb had really distorted or thrown off that formula for the past 80 years. but the being present, he said it directly in 987 that you know, you laid out the designs for what is it something like 12 micro iterations with s no nationalistic orientations that should be put under the dominance of the u. s. of the i m f. if the yeltsin doctrine, the soros doctrine that had taken control of russia back the 1980s had been not subverted by actual patriots. nationalists who didn't want to sacrifice their, their heritage on this altar of the new world order. so it, instead again and again in various ways we have similar us think tanks that have images of a carved up china, a highly reduced in size with maybe 6 little micro federations under the control of the world bank. and i m f and trying to see that the, the ukraine formula is being applied in its own back yard, in the,

in the guise of both taiwan and japan, which have their own sort of similarities to ukraine situation in their own way. and any complete, you know, full spectrum military dominance or military build up around their perimeter, just like in russia. and we have the same discussion, the arctic. so we see where the, where things are going and they see that the u. s. is sitting on the biggest time bomb called a financial bubble. oh yes, only matter alexis. oh yeah. so that's a good actor. yeah, yeah. i look look who has problems with debt, then i can tell you who's going to be a problem in the world. okay. in andrew, it, it's very interesting to me is that you know, um that it, everyone likes to say that this is a marriage of convenience, the russians and the chinese. but it actually, i look at it this way is that, you know, that russia and china are accused of being a revisionist powers, revisionist powers, actually their status quo powers. they what they want to appeal to the united nations charter. and the rules based order has nothing to do with the,

with the un charter. but, you know, with western prop, again, it's actually quite c, a sophisticated in it ubiquitous, you know, but there is a huge distinction between looking towards the charter and this rules based order. andrew, well, of course, the special relationship between russia and china as the product of, of so food, very powerful with dynamic forces. first of all, the relationship already started very close relationship. well, really started well before the current. and you claim, whoa, i mean, and because both countries are extremely complementary. economically, russia has been the world's largest one that it was largest exporter oh, energy and all gas and oil, and as well as minerals, but also agricultural products. and russia is the world largest exporter of agricultural fertilizes. and then

china is the world's largest customer, but both the both energy and the agricultural products. so actually the 2 countries are intertwined together well before the ukraine war. now and then andrew, i'd like andrew and i to point out that neither one of these countries want to export their model to the other one. okay, that's a, a respect of sovereignty and k. and again, that doesn't go along with the rules base order, because you, everyone has to be recreated in the image of the the liberal order which the world does not want. we know that. okay, yeah, let me go, let me go to robert. right now. it interest in reading the pages of politico. it's interesting that the zalinski regime is very hesitant to criticize china. so we have a client state 100 percent client state of the west of the united states. and they are hesitating now because they see the role that russia and china are playing on

the world state. it tells you everything you really need to know. a client state is beginning that wants to hedge their bets. very interesting, robert, go ahead. yeah. china is that because she put united states for american policy makers, anything else because china is now a threat to american germany, american power especially can all of our manufacturing trade everything else. and so that's why talks really big shot out of us before they even begin to wall street journal, the official war going to be american ruling elite, a box or a non starter. you know, you get up with you know, the chinese model has worked that, as you pointed out, i think it's kind of what the u. s. did. it was 20 centuries in sending out trade sheets and sending out diplomats belton road initiative. the general, these piece docs between the saudis and iran ears. and so would say, hey, we know, you know, it's central and central asia and app in the middle east to say we have something

to offer you. and your right is not really based on, you know, kind of a commitment down the same kind of political system or politically ology. it's this idea, you know, united states called the open door, you know, at the end of the 20th century 19th, 20th and early 20th century. and that's kinda what the chinese you are. they're not saying, hey. ready going to come in here, we're going to blow you to bed. we're going to send you military. what we're fine proxy armies. what they're saying is we're gonna, you know, extend trade. we're going to help you develop some kind of manufacturing based that will help you know the word back of the 20 central would be modernized and is working on and much of the world. now. china has this diplomatic initiative, is this political issue that obviously terrifies united states now? and so, you know, you have issues like ukraine, which has been a real boom for great viani, general dynamics and companies like that for beta, right? it gives a reason to adjust another reason to exist but. ready for the globe interview, for the people in the united states here, like i said before, we're not benefiting from this military industrial complex either. you know, you could say in the 50s or sixties,

the u. s. was typical american was but now you know, personal, that student, that a deteriorated health care system, horrible infrastructure train, derailments every day. horrible. you know, pollution problems. so it's a fairly great local crisis in the united states is focusing on these parks between your you know, kind of, it is taking these ancillary issues with blowing up or rather. ready dealing with the, with the real problems we face, which is, you know, absolutely. now a really significant child for this, the liberal order, as well as an alternative to this kind of american you know, system is what i mean. i mean, it, you know, they need liberal order. it's just as bad for the united states as it is for other countries. exactly. yeah. yeah, yeah. i mean, i, for the life of me why the american congress pays ukrainian pensions, but it won't take care of pensioners in america or veterans or any other group. ok,

really? yeah. so are billiards around, but nobody freestyle spent a while. trained. good point, matthew, you know, one of the, one of the biggest difference we see right now is that, you know, ever since the end of the cold war, the great powers didn't confront each other. they had proxy wars all over the place here. they didn't go toe to toe, but now we see elements within the american administration and want to go toe to toe with russia and china at the same time. the great powers traditionally don't go after each other. you know why? because you can fail. it's existential. that's why we live in a very dangerous time. we have great powers, the united states confronting other great powers that's. that's a no no, because you can lose matthew. yeah, no, absolutely. i mean, again, as i mentioned earlier, the, the advent of the nuclear bomb really changed the calculus of how global empire could ever function again and for throughout the cold war period of the mutually

assured destruction of formula that was set out by folks like bertrand russell it sorta had a balance of terror that didn't result in destroying everything. but now we're at a point where we have a systemic breakdown. i think that that factor of the transatlantic systemic banking meltdown. but it's much of the banking, the physical in instruct, the physical means of production, which have been atrophied consistently for 50 plus years. are now variables that are shaping the thinking of certain fanatics who unfortunately have access to the launch mechanisms of many of these nuclear warheads who can do nothing but doubled down on the script that they had laid out back in 109192. when the world was one, it was the, you know, end of nation states and one world government was here and of history. and they seem to still hold on to the delusion at that script still applies to the current aid. despite the fact that reality has completely changed from their ivory tower. and i think you see some, some signs of major in fighting amongst different factions of oligarchical interest . right now we're some are saying, oh well maybe we should like live to fight another day to board this plan. i think

the jeffrey sachs angle is, is playing a role in that. and then on other angles, you have the more fanatical neil con drive of just, you know, we can do nothing but what we're program to do, which is had gemini with no negotiation. and that's scary. it's a very, very proud of that. so we end the program, it's scary, and certainly as gentlemen, it's all the time we have a want to thank my guests and toko houston and in hong kong, and want to thank our viewers for watching us here in archie. see you next time. remember rostock rolls ah ah, ah, when i was shooting wrong, oh, just a whole new world yet to shape out disdain because the african and

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