what i do, that's why i'm here with headlines right now when i came to national moscow says that is escalating the conflict by promising to send depleted uranium. i munition to ukraine. russia highlight the devastating health consequences for civilians and the military off of they've been used by the west in yugoslavia and iraq. president eugene, date reps up is 3 day visit to moscow saying that china russia and leaving the changes that the world hasn't seen in overall 100 pulitzer prize winning the award winning journalist seymour shows new details of the north stream pipeline sabotaged push says germany, it's helping america, the height the truth with

why we are 30 working away in the evening hours here at moscow with a full program of enlightening and troubling storage as well. let's get straight to them for you right now. i'll top story kicking off of this our basically, and that is moscow has condemned the u. k. move to supply ukraine with toxic depleted uranium. ammunition is a serious step towards escalating the conflict of the russian foreign minister pointed out the devastating long term health effects on civilians and the military from the use of those weapons in iraq and yugoslavia. it, sir, this is a step towards a serious build up of escalation city statements by western colleagues that it's okay, nothing is forbidden. we don't violate any conventions, but we all remember what consequences the use of depleted uranium supplies lead to in yugoslavia, iraq were tens of thousands of civilians and military personnel suffered from the use of this ammunition and depleted uranium rounds have been previously used by

western military so typically against armored vehicles and tanks thus, despite grave environmental and health concerns. russia's foreign ministry warned of the impacts of using these kinds of ammunitions through cheaply meaning shall, was depleted, uranium destroy only car and generations, but also future once these weapons have already been used in recent history. they inflated in comparable damage in contrast with conventional weapons. but they also have a direct impact in human healthy the targets eliminations will suffer as well. those currently residing in the affected area as well as future generations. in addition to killing people, these munitions also destroy the land. they affect the soil and the ground water from mental years. they are glad it was incredibly strong words there, highlighting the potential long term impact on the use of depleted uranium in ukraine in talking about the increase levels of radioactivity in all the problems

associated with that. now she said that depleted uranium could cause a genocide for the population there, but she expressed concern that ukrainians are not really fully aware of the potential impact of the use of such munitions on their territory. they're only being told da sir. the west is there to help them and is to bring prosperity to ukraine, but she described a propaganda operation. of course, there's only one news channel in ukraine. the rest was shut down by presidential decree following the special military operation on february 24th. let's listen to what she said. i mean, you bring you my, you craniums are being told, have the west is advocating billions in foreign currency to become a prosperous state. what 1000000000 to be ready to use depleted uranium on the do you know, the poland began to export fertile soil from beer as the nazi troops to during the 2nd world war? do you understand why you were in such a hurry?

because after the use of shells was depleted, uranium the crop, if any, will only be poison. washington keeps on saying, save that. this conflict in ukraine is about a battle for ukraine's future democracy. one might fear there's not much of a future if the whole line is going to be irradiated by the use of these depleted uranium tips ammunition shells. one of the long term consequences, steve, of using something like this will of course, the use of depleted uranium on the battlefield remains a kind of a legal gray area, but it's still incredibly controversial. now the united states use depleted uranium perhaps most famously in the iraqi town or felicia, and that led to arise of birth defects arise, miscarriages arise in cancer. now in 2010, you study by leading medical journal found a 38 fold increase in leukemia. now to put that into perspective, that's higher than the figures that were found in survivors of the rossimer nuclear bomb attack, of course,

drop by the united states at the end of the 2nd world war. now i was there last week i was in flu. i spoke to medics on the ground and they said it was undeniable that there was a cause link between depleted uranium on the defects and abnormalities that we've heard about. but what they also said was that they were placed on the extreme pressure by the united states not to speak out now. the 2010 report i just referred to a course. betty created a murmur in the, in the mainstream pricing. the western press, meaning that the scandal of lou just being subjected to cover up. but let's listen to what some of those people on the ground is about. what happened to them did it by my, their lover. we didn't expect our 1st child to be born deformed before the us invasion . children were rarely born with deformities in fallujah may be one or 2 cases out of a 1000 births. a year later, we decided to have another baby, but the 2nd baby was also born, deformed as when my father was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in 2021. they told

us that he is sick and feeling poorly. the reason is that felicia was a battleground from 2005 to 2013, especially in the district. we are living in. now of course, it's not just the united states, nato has admitted to dropping 31000 uranium bombs during its campaign in yugoslavia and 90909. now, more, more than $300.00 italian soldiers were of died as a result of exposure to the munitions that involved in a court case against the military alliance. one serbian law maker who was involved in investigations and research, found that the country's natural environment was damage. that was pollution to the air, the land, the solar and water. now, some experts have said the depleted uranium poses a major global threat describing the use of depleted uranium as a trojan horse of nuclear war and saying that it could slowly wipe out humanity.

perhaps on surprisingly, britain has been among those leading opposition to cause for a band or even a moratorium of the use of depleted uranium on the battlefield. britain who previously claimed that shell wilson depleted uranium do not even have highly was levels of radioactivity than all the household goods. like microwave ovens, for example, and the defense ministry has defended its use of depleted uranium. once more, it's accusing russia of deliberately spreading this information and it insists that the impact on personal health and the environment is low, but of course, to do otherwise. otherwise would leave them open to war crimes charges. the world health organization has, however, expressed some concerns over the use of depleted uranium, but experts, again, it said that that body was also pressured into down playing evidence into the effects. and this is just simply adding fuel to those claims over cover up now the campaign for nuclear disarmament c n d has called for

a moratorium on the use of depleted uranium and it's called on the british government to instead fun studies into the impact of its use that said that, sending such munitions into a war zone, would not help the people of ukraine. we've seen statements coming in from across the world, expressing concern including from some african nations. and it's worth noting that the announcement, the prison was to deploy depleted uranium came a time when chinese president teaching ping was in moscow discussing his 12 point piece plan to end the conflict in ukraine. russia has insisted that it remains open to negotiations, but the west continues to violate international law acting with impunity. but it's a people and into the world that continue to suffer. the consequences had this conversation further here on our team to national and crossing life to the head of the russian delegation that the vienna talks on a military security and arms controlled area is mr. constantine got real of joining us live from vienna, where it's not just about 10 past 4 on wednesday afternoon,

a very warm welcome to today. so thank you very much for joining us here on this program. you know, very good afternoon to you as well. the u. k claims the supply of depleted uranium . michelle's ukraine will not lead to a nuclear escalation in this conflict, and all of this on the heels of russia response. moscow saying it will react accordingly. i want to ask you, mr. gabriella, what do you think is london's motivation here to send depleted uranium ammunition to your crime? this story started. so when we started to monitor it, it's in general information about the so called depleted uranium armor piercing shells. and we had an intervention in the forum for security cooperation here, warming to that, it's very dangerous it's, it's a dirty kind of dirty bob. and i had already seen the consequences of using this in

the u. s. law. i am and i was here in the and i and i was a witness. they used it. i haven't seen the consequence in that time, but it started 90 and i was here and it was in iraq, a logical. this is a lung cancer sit or increased specially in children. there are some consequences. the soil is a poison in it's very dangerous. there is no conventions or hitting this, but if from the point of view or environment in the human lives, or cetera from this point it's, it's, it's very dangerous. and we said that time on the 29 of february of 29 of january at the meeting. reformed it's a very dangerous,

it will have serious, serious, serious consequences. now, they didn't pay attention to this now, or they even didn't want to discuss it. but now, when they were intentionally or possible, i highlights possible supplies to, to your grade. these are the training shells in coinciding for the visit and see to russia. it's not just careful. i think it was made the intention that it and the here in vienna, in having negotiations, receiving the table and see the position of having to think is good. what is best for russia and the head of the, of the camp? russian detractors here saying to them that itself. well, well mr. phillips, i think you say some very straight statements,

and we appreciate you being so forthcoming here on this program on our international you talk about the dangers and the serious consequences of if indeed depleted uranium shells are used and just about any zone around the world. but they will use that, as you said, by the us on the british in iraq as well as in the balkans during the 1990 s. the shelves are blamed for increased birth defects and kansas in the wars. and as you said, but maybe mr. got real off, maybe we're all wrong because according to the u. k. officials in london, the risks to people and the environment are extremely low. in fact, london says the risks posed people from depleted uranium ammunition of the same as household appliances in your kitchen. they can see in the sink, i accustomed to. yeah. and you know to hear that the black is white and the white

is black and it's normal. great. then the light is more terrible. it's more reliable. they think it's nice to discuss this issue. it's very serious. issue, but nobody on them. i'm in the system to discuss what the consequences, etc, is even they don't want to react. but i think the time came when the eve eve, i highlight this and this is a you have the comments on. these are president minister level show you to show speaker ministry in them to her. it's very clear i have is my humble opinion, nothing to at least it's clear, it should be more should become just the thing to think we've got a lot. i mean,

you think neighboring european states neighboring ukraine. do you think they're ok with depleted uranium kept ammunition being dropped near the borders because why do european officials seem so quiet or even seem so? ok, with the use of such weapons close to their borders. i don't know why, but it's in their interest to say to say to pronounce against it, but i think it's just the bed frame, a government, they don't want to make a contradiction to, to, to, to go to the conflict, to be the position on lessons here. and it's seen during the discussions, but the clothes, everybody understand it's necessary to do something, can be express position, not just not to them, their own diplomatic careers. and that's it. they're afraid of this

very simple. and the time come, time comes that it will be obvious that it's necessary to do something and it will help them to understand better the situation. it's not a situation for them, especially not only for radians, who will suffer from these cost of oil in the eastern crate. it can be applied. well, we've got a slight contrast in positions. as i understand mister got real off. i was checking out the news already this morning as i do just about all day long with this job. but i was going to say that i read a report that the pentagon has said we will not be sending depleted uranium tip ammunition to ukraine. meantime, the u. k. is poised to do it. why do you think washington is in effect distancing itself from what the u. k is about to do? sometimes i think you're washington is more reasonable that london, london. it has

a long tradition. i do need to make programs for russia. you have 300 years history. and the, one of the great politicians, 100 years ago says that the breach didn't feel uncomfortable when there is no. there are no conflicts in europe. it's easier to manage the situation than there is complex conflict in europe and now had the conflict in the ukraine and everything was done to move it forward. now they just continue this practice this way. they had all, everybody would you, would, you, should, we, i should say, should we expect any reaction from the wider international community. you mentioned a few moments ago, mister godfrey gabriella, that you thought the timing was suspicious that the u. k. make this announcement

when president jim ping was a, was visiting here in moscow. do you think we can expect some sort of outcry at the very least from the global community? yes, i think yes, it will be for sure. just a normal normal people and the, the, the company is aligned to the european and american paradise. they can walk, especially african america and asia to the account. that is such actions and to career position is not acceptable for the future of the people in the majority. and we personally rushing a diploma. we'll be working on this. what do you think? what kind of steps can moscow take? i mean, a, for example, to pressure the international community to stop the u. k. deliveries of depleted

uranium michelle's to, to ukraine. i mean, i, it's tough to imagine the options that moscow has to respond to this. so what do you think the president putin clearly said yesterday? it's a, it's unacceptable, and i understand minutes the show was instructed to, to develop the measures to prevent development such developments in ukraine. i'm not in ministry of defense. i think the necessary mr. smitty. all right, well, the head of the russian delegation of the vienna talks on military security and arms control. mr. constantine got real of joining us live here on our team to national a great pleasure, haven't you on the program. thank you very much and thank you. thank you but german chancellor of schultz has helped the u. s. government conceal the truth of the sabotage of the north stream pipelines. that's

a further revelation from award winning investigative journalist seymour hersh, who earlier stated washington was behind the attacks on the russian pipeline. i was told by someone with access to diplomatic intelligence that there was a discussion of the pipeline, expose e. as a result, certain elements in the central intelligence agency were asked to prepare a cover story in collaboration with german intelligence that would provide the american and german press with an alternative version of the destruction of north 32, in the woods of the intelligence community. the agency was to pulse the system in an effort to discount the claim. did biden had ordered the pipelines, destruction alive out to a corresponding caleb morphin for details on this. caleb good to see you there in the nation's capital in washington dc. seymour hersh. he's been teasing now for in recent weeks that he had more details if he was ready to disclose them what, what else can you tell us? well, the wednesday article from seymour hersh basically puts forward that

a meeting took place between the german chancellor and the u. s, president, in which they discussed how to put forward an alternative version of events to distract from seymour hersh and the evidence pointing to u. s. involvement in the destruction of the nordstrom pipeline are now an 80 minute meeting did happen, the tween biden. and the, the chancellor of germany and this meeting are happened behind closed doors. here's what hersh puts forward in his article. it was a couple publication by american intelligence that was passed along to the germans and ain't a discredit in your story. i was told by source within the american intelligence community did is information professionals inside a cia understand the propaganda gambit can only work if those on receiving are desperate for a story that can diminish or displace and wanted truth. now us mainstream

media continues to deny that the united states was involved. we have the new york times sticking with its new version of events. i'm trying to run interference, so to speak. here's what we've heard from the new york times. the time she bought us in washington were at the mercy, a white house, officials who had access to intelligence. but the information they received originated with a group of ca, experts in deception and propaganda whose mission was to feed a newspaper call the story and to protect the president who made an wise decision and is now lying about it. now julian barnes, who as the new york times national security correspondent, has continued to appear on podcasts and elsewhere, arguing that the united states was not involved in the attack on the nord stream tube pipeline. he puts forward aversion of a dance where all this was done by other forces and his story has many asking

questions. this is julian barnes. could this have been done by non stayed after this have been done by a group of individuals who were not working for a government kind of like freelance saboteurs. so where did you take this new question? well, we started asking who might these saboteurs be? or if we couldn't answer that, who might they be aligned with, right, could they be pro russian saboteurs? could they be other saboteurs? and the more we talk to officials who had access to intelligence, the more we saw this theory gaining traction. now the u. s. mainstream media continues to seem desperate to talk to concoct version

of events where the united states is not responsible, and hershey's revelations are not the case. however, the evidence is mounting. the bombshell revelations from seymour hersh seemed to stand up pretty well to fax. another piece of information that was pointed out in hurst, his recent article is that biden has not ordered any investigation end to the destruction of the nor stream to pipeline, and who carried it out per se, argues this is because biden himself knows what really happened or not corresponding caleb muffin. thank you. on the heels of the chinese president visiting russia and presenting a peace plan proposal for ukraine, the white house that china is an ally of russia and therefore should not be taken serious. you can reasonably look at it. china is impartial in any way, and they haven't condemn this the now china wants to play

a constructive role here in this conflict. the ne auto press russia to polish troops out of ukraine and ukrainian sovereign territory. they should urge urge president poo deceased bombing cities, hospitals and schools to stop the war crimes in the atrocities and end the war today. you could happen late now. i beijing put forward a 12 point a piece by now i should say it was last month actually for the whole ongoing conflict in ukraine. the plan including a ceasefire closer resumption of direct dialogue and the end of sanctions. however, president zelinski has complained that china ignored ukraine's earlier piece plan that it sent through diplomatic channels. this comes as president g has praised bilateral ties between russia and china, saying they're both guided by the principles of the un charter. and that the 2 countries are on the right side of history. dead. oh, can i reach you? the chinese russian ties have gone far beyond bilateral relations over the last 10 years, and all of crucial and vital importance for today's world order and the fate of

mankind. our contacts and cooperation are advanced on the principle of friendship. a relationship is built on contributing to the progress of mankind. we guided by the principles in the un charter and a day to an unbiased view will always ready for peace and dialogue. we firmly stand on the right side of history. i count on continuing close contacts with president putin and on long term at china, russia relations. we heard from a pair of analysts to hear on the program who say that the west is nervous about the rising influence of china and russia. as the 2 countries continue to strengthen their relationship across the board, a great deal of false narrative in the west led by the united states. sort of demonizing china, demonizing, russia. this is as a reflex action kind of fear that the u. s. lead has many, it seems to be under siege and you can see that they are playing this false

narrative in blackening demonizing, china over human rights office in jan over hong kong, over walkway and even over tick tock. and then anything you know can be twisted to implied at devilish china set out to destroy the world. now the reality is far from the case. it is absolutely a fear of the emerging multicolor world that would put us in a 2nd place. just one of many. so at this juncture, fear and panic is kind of driving that. remember, originally the u. s. wanted to make sure that russia and europe did not come together. europe manufacturing prowess with rushes, resources would have been, i threat to us gentlemen, economically. so unfortunately,

what they've done is they pushed together china and russia, which is even more fearsome cooperation. and at this juncture, they're in a panic. and as of course, you know, the chinese president, eugene ping has been here in moscow for the past 3 days. he has officially gone back home, but off for a couple of days have a big business visit signing new much agreement, strategic partnerships, and economic agreements. details waiting for you on line. from the a chinese president's visit to russia is historic for a number of reasons. first to accent, the growing russia, china strategic partnership, and 2nd, to demonstrate what both countries publicly advocate the transition to a multi polar world beyond american hegemony

operation. the aerodynamic began shortly after world war 2 and lost it almost 3 decades. it wasn't a major effort to try and split the ukraine off from the soviet union, u. s. intelligence, together with hypnos, executioners, drain, hundreds of savages to be deployed in the soviet union, just focused on the east of monday. so we'll have started with today's security service of ukraine use is not only the statistic methods, but also the ideology of the nationalist. a with the titans for medius believed in men and sided with m. o. he stole fire from the

cruel gods, and gave it to humanity. ah, the gods chained the titan to a rock. and a huge eagle devoured his liver every day. but the darkness when had wandered before, had already been dissipated by the bright flames. they had obtained from him for if we say we're strong, if we say we're brave, well we should be looking out for people that are less fortunate or that can't defend himself. oh, there are always people who think this way but it's only in

hollywood movies in which the brave expose those in power and they are rewarded with fame, money, prestigious jobs, and respect. in reality, this is not the case in one way or another. prometheus is tragedy, almost always repeats itself in real life. oh, do i want to work? and it's actually for even journalists that are supportive, they were given of options. either shut up and to give us the stories we want or go work somewhere else. in american journalist, george allison has been covering the events and don bass for more than 8 years in america. he worked in construction, but once he gone to don bass here.