but other neighboring states as well the day before you. so this motivates and what you did was something that just clearly indicates further and further that this state does not believe in peace. but this state is provoking not only its people, but it's a booking. it's a states including jordan, we're putting our, our implying a picture of the use and from your channel. we as jordanians, are ready for any option. we are, daniel will defend this country. we are a way of jordan and i'm calling for young children and to go back into the army and be prepared for this is not a country that can be sucked in by a company that occupies the order by provocation. this lie to in government currently, and it is a government that has to be stopped at the place, the international community and the united states have to take action before things

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[000:00:00;00] with hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . the chinese president's visit to russia is historic for a number of reasons. first to accent, the growing russia, china strategic partnership. and 2nd, to demonstrate what both countries publicly advocate the transition to a multi polar world beyond american hegemony. crossed, sucking russia. china relations, i'm joined by my guess, matthew errand in tokyo. he is a senior fellow at the american university in moscow and director of the rising

foundation of canada in hong kong we have and re lung. he is an international and independent china strategist. and in houston we cross to robert was alco. he is a professor of history at the university of houston, as well as co host of the green and red podcast. i gentlemen crossed out girls and a fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate andrew, let me go to you 1st and in hong kong, you know, there's a very interesting juxtaposition, if you turn on american television, they're all wondering, of donald trump is going to be arrested later this week for hush money and things like that. or they're talking about hunter biden's laptop still. and as they are doing that, we have a world historic meeting going on here in moscow with the chinese president's visit . i mean, how out of touch is the west when it comes to the burgeoning relationship between moscow and beijing? go ahead. andrew and hong kong. well, i think that the west led by the united states is seized our by

a bit that the mantra or a that the american lead as a so called liberal or order, or should that to stay forever and led by american haitian money. because the west is regard of is the best system, the world. it should be imposed on all countries. and the whole rivalry with china and, and russia is, is, is high to be a contest between democracy and authoritarianism. so there was a lot of force rhetoric and our explain why, because as of only about a few days ago, according to the latest research, by a paris based and independent research institution called i p. s. o s. looking at the happiness index and of countries around the world as to what extent

are people in different countries, are you happy under their government? and guess what? china came on top and the number 2 is saudi arabia where the start to are not democracies, but yet there people have never felt happier than before. so this is because their lives of the as far as time is concerned and the lives of the vast majority of the people have been miraculously transform under the tutelage of the childish communist party for the past 4 years. and this has been confirmed also the support of the people of the government on for also by harvard kennedy school study a year and a half ago. and by the an element e d e l m a n trust barometer base in new york. so this rhetoric about a contest between democracy or cocker c as the, the more democracy them upon

a country in the world typify part of united states is the happiest, most successful country. as you just said, i mean, really the president donald trump is about to be arrested. come to come get you also sold for crimes and lead to load, so immoral acts. well, you know that you've been, that's the whole point i was trying to make. i mean, there seems to be and you know, what countries in sync or countries are in sync, which ones aren't. ok. i let me go to a robert in houston. i mean, this is, this is a very important event in the, in the, with the backdrop of china is proposed a 12 point piece of process for, for ukraine. i just recently broker to deal between saudi arabia any ran for president assad, visited moscow recently. there's a lot of things going on in the world here, and it's not necessarily in the west to sees it is a threat to there had gemini, but a lot of other actors welcome this as a real,

a realignment to forces in the world. i mean, is something a lot of people in the world actually embrace and are not afraid of go ahead, robert. yeah, that's a key point. the, the media right now is covered if she could meetings, but it's so, you know, kind of research, seattle, or rhetoric and, you know, i think that's what americans don't understand because we kind of get a very different approach to the word here from the media. which is very much based, it's kind of moral terms good and evil. whether it's very simplistic ah, but you know, it, i think the rest of. ready work clearly teaches differently, you know, so you have when you're with united states, but that is presented kind of, it's a dot only way of looking at things that's clearly not the case of the united states. you know, has been waiting this war economically, especially against china. per decade or so now and you know, you still have the beast economy of the world, the dollars still used for, for global as go currency of china,

a manufactured weed on united states. the chinese are trading in asia with rush. all with united states has peach tree bouts with us as well as lenders piece proposal, along with the brokerage negotiation, saudi arusha cover diplomatic, essential as well. so what all of these ways they cheese, it's a gemini, be charles if my cheaters. and so, you know, it's, it's kind of using the, wanting left of his pocket, which is this mass, a rubber budget. robert, don't you find it really interesting is that, you know, just on a and the last new cycle on fox news they were on the guest were talking about the loss of american hegemony. and i think it's so kind of out of sync again, let me go to matthew on this. is that a the world is tired of american hegemony. that's why it's being chao and jan. that's why different centers of power of coming into being, particularly there's the strategic relationship between russia and china. it's really interesting how that they, the west always finds is threatening. but for other countries,

particularly russia and china, they find it liberating to be done with american hegemony. it's really amazing the different mindsets here. go head matthew. yeah, no, absolutely. i mean, a anglo american i'll say anglo to say infuse a little bit of, i think her drama into the causal nexus of the post world war 2 age has been, has had 80 plus years to prove itself and demonstrates its superiority as the best of all possible orders, and what we've seen is just simply hundreds of regime change operations carried out since most a day in iran and, and even in nicaragua before that and all the way up to the present order assassinations of leaders of different heads of state, including america's own leaders who tried to resist this internet this, this deep state column built up inside of its heart. so you had a lot of time to prove that the system is the superior order and we've had libya or rat sirius thrown back into dark age chaos. situations in the name of democracy

building of the rules based international order. and i mean, if you just read the chinese a globe both a global security initiative but also the, the u. s. had gemini and its perils, another document outlining its philosophy of how governance and especially on security should operate back on february 21st 22nd. it really lays out that look, the only thing it works is when, when cooperation and looking at points of collaboration which manifest in things like iran, saudi arabia on taunts the turkey syria relationship beginning to real slowly. right. did this work africa where i need the development for africa works. and so i think what we see coming in with shooting things visit to russia has been a real hope for the 3rd world and everything. i only want to say the 3rd world that the world it's been prevented from developing and becoming modern for the past. matthew, i refer to it is the global majority. and because that's exactly what it is here, let me go back to andrew and in hong kong,

i guess what really gets american foreign policy people upset is that china is proposing piece around the world, you know, brokering day, you know, saudi arabia and iran, you know, that, that was a tough one to do. the united states was not in a position to do it because it's huge. his sides, china didn't choose aside. that's why we have a piece process, their potential piece process. put it that way. go ahead, andrew. well i think that and it's your politics are not usually dictated by philosophies as it is the think teeth usually about a change of power are power in them. you can all the power and to political power and all these dynamics are changing all the time. out of the 2nd world war, of course, the only and largest and most powerful country. and i have been the united states and they were have been able to call the shots and they, they thought that, ok, i'm less bring china into their system. and so that,

and any kind of for cheap goods can be outsourced to try to get a, with the polluting industries. and then they read the best of the benefits. so sitting on top of the pile, without realizing that china, having joined the w t o as growing this economy, now the 2nd largest and is grown to be the world's largest trader. i had the united states and the largest manufacturer and, and the center of the supply and very chain and, and everything is always making always everything is making china. you go to the markets and, and, and even if the problem is not mark big in china, taurus, if embedded in, it's somewhere in terms of logistics in terms of components in terms of materials and so, and as the, as the reality. and then of course china now and seem to be eating american sluggish, no longer exporting only cheap goods, but also high technology goods. and in some measure in this,

and then let me jump in here when i get, i want to get robert in before we go to the bank that you, andrew brings up an interesting point. i mean, why does one country have to be number one? why can there be a multi polar world? i mean, that's a, that's what the chinese and the russians are asking. why does, why, why do we need a hedge, a man, robert? know exactly this for sure. sure. the last 30 years, the really guy united states is that you know, career more damage and we're not child, especially from china. and you have a really great crowd, global warming. you at just released another really dire reports which are being set aside. this reserves, or rhetoric based on military aggression and special military power basset defense by just because i think like i said, that's, that's with us as a lapse. it's, it's last major, you know, play, which is, you know, military power on building weapons building miss out, your weapons bases all our bases overseas based. okay. robert, i have to jump in and we're going to go to a break here. but why is it being,

number one, have to be the military? why can it be, you know, prosperity or trade? i mean that with that is for quite some time i'm going to let you get an answer that when we get back from our break, generally we're gonna go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new state with with i'm exemption and i'm here to plead with you. whatever you do, you do not watch my, your show seriously. why watch something that's so different. my little opinion that you won't get anywhere else. look of it please. or do you have the state department, the cia weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your facts for you, go ahead. i change and whatever you do, don't want my show to stay mainstream because i'm probably going to make you

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in houston. i want you to finish up your answer before we went to our, our breaker. right? well, it's, you know, i, you know, matthews already touched on a robert, but you know, this whole had gemini model with rules based order, whatever that means. it's not working. it's not working for the vast majority of the world. and that's why we see these movements to get away from the financial control and the dollar all of this because that's just a weapon. it's a cudgel. ok. and more and more countries say they don't want to be fall victim to that they want prosperity and they want security. that's not ideological for the vast majority of the world. but american hegemony as seen in, in, in washington, in london, in brussels, maybe even kev is very ideological. go ahead, robert. yeah, well, it's probably pretty united states for americans, either. one percent, 10 percent green crises right now. you know, banking wages, the health care system,

the united states, and really terrible condition, our debt. and so when we were taking actions that would alleviate these problem because the nighted stage about what kind of resurfacing the cold war mccarthy's and you know, that would be social, straight up here would be socials in the u. s. so instead, you know, you kind of make this play for germany based on military strength is military power . you create these, these john quincy adams called the monsters to destroy long ago, right after world war 2. george can still have 6 percent of the population and 50 percent of the wealth, and our task is to maintain disposition of disparity. and that's really still american policy to, to, to maintain the power to maintain that power. and it used to sell the idea to america, get prosperity from detroit to steel mills of basis like that, that's not there anymore. now it's based on the fear and, and all of these other problems that emerge. and so you talk about things like china, russia rather than the global warming,

which is obviously great crisis for any of the extinction of the entire planets. and in the us, we're just not really discussing it or doing much about it. yeah, well i, i don't really see any meaningful political discussion in the united states if you watch cable news anyway. you know, matthew, you know, i, i started out by talking about, you know, a multi polar world and how both russian china working towards it. now i think that's a very smart idea. it's, it's for security reasons. it's very hard, but it's very practical and pragmatic because the, the, the west war against russia is to take russia out, break it up, and then go take on china and the chinese and the russians both know that. go ahead, matthew. yeah, that's right. i mean, divide and conquer has been the, the age old formula that's been applied again again for centuries. obviously the nuclear bomb had really distorted or thrown off that formula for the past 80 years . but it became presents, he said it directly in 1087 that you know, he laid out the, the designs for what is it something like 12 micro federations with s no

nationalistic ab orientations. that should be put under the dominance of the u. s. of the i m f. if the yelton doctrine, the sort of doctrine that had taken control of russia back the 990, had been not burdened by actual patriots nationals who didn't want to sacrifice their, their heritage on this altar of the new world order. so instead again and again in various ways we have similar us think tanks that have images of a carved up china, highly reduced in size with maybe 6 little micro federations under the control of the world bank. and i m f and trying to see that the, the ukraine formula is being applied in its own back yard, in the, in the guise of both taiwan and japan, which have their own sort of similarities to ukraine situation in their own way. and any complete full spectrum military dominant, military build up around their perimeter, just like in russia. and we have the same discussion, the article, the see where the,

where things are going. and they see that the u. s. is sitting on the biggest time bomb called the financial bubble. oh yeah. the only matter lapses. oh yeah. so that's a big factor. yeah. yeah. look who has problems with debt and i can tell you who's going to be a problem in the world. ok. you know, andrew, it's very interesting to me is that everyone likes to say that this is a marriage of convenience, the russians and the chinese. but actually, i look at it this way is that, you know, the russian, china accused of being revisionist powers, revisionist power is actually better status quo powers. they will, they want to appeal to the united nations charter and the ruins base order has nothing to do with the, with the un charter. but, you know, with western propaganda, it's actually quite sophisticated in it's ubiquitous, you know, but there is a huge distinction between looking towards the charter and this rules based order andro. well, of course,

the am special relationship between russia and china as the product of, of so food, very powerful with dynamic forces. first of all, the relationship already started very close relationship already started well before the current. and you claim, whoa, i mean, and because both countries are extremely complementary. economically, russia has been the world's largest one that was launches explorer. oh, energy and all gas and oil, and as well as minerals, but also agricultural products. and russia is the world largest exporter of agricultural fertilizes. and then china is the world's largest customer, both both energy and the agricultural products. so actually the 2 countries are intertwined together well before the ukraine war. now and then andrew, i'd like andrew, i'd like to point out that neither one of these countries want to export their

model to the other one. okay, that's a, a respect of sovereignty and k. and again, that doesn't go along with the rules base order, because you, everyone has to be recreated in the image of the the liberal order which the world does not want. we know that. okay, yeah, let me go, let me go to robert. right now. it interest in reading the pages of politico. it's interesting that the zalinski regime is very hesitant to criticize china. so we have a client state 100 percent client state of the west of the united states. and they are hesitating now because they see the role that russia and china are playing on the world state. it tells you everything you really need to know. a client state is beginning that wants to hedge their bets. very interesting, robert, go ahead. yeah. china is that because she put united states for american policy makers, anything else because china is now a threat to american germany,

american power especially can all of our manufacturing trade everything else. and so that's why talks really be shot out of us before they even begin to wall street journal, the official war going to be american ruling elite. they said, you know, docs are not started. you know, you get a chance. and you know, the chinese model has worked that, as you pointed out, i think it's kind of what the u. s. did it the end of the 20th century is sending out trade sheets and sending out diplomats belton road initiative. the general, these piece docs between the saudis and iran ears. and so would say, hey, we know, you know, in central and central asia and out in the middle east to say we have something to offer you. and your right is not really based on, you know, kind of a commitment down the same kind of political system or politically. all it hits this idea, you know, united states called the open door. you know, at the end of the 20th century 19th, 20th and early 20th century, and that's kinda what the chinese are doing. they're not saying, hey. ready going to come in here, we're going to blow you to bed. we're going to send you military,

what we're fine. proxy armies. ready they're saying is we're gonna, you know, extend trade, we're going to help you develop some kind of manufacturing based that will help you know, the word back of the 20 central would be modernized and is working on and much of the world. now, china has this diplomatic initiative, is this political issue that obviously terrifies united states now? and so you know, you have issues like ukraine, which has been a real boom for great beyond general dynamics. and companies like that for beta, right? it gives a reason to adjust another reasons that exists but. ready for the globe interview, for the people in the united states here, like i said before, we're not benefiting from this military industrial complex either. you know, you could say in the 50s or sixties, the u. s. was typical american was but now you know, personal, that student, that deteriorated health care says the horrible infrastructure train derailments every day. horrible, you know, pollution problems. so it's a fairly great political crisis in the united states is focusing on these parks between your you know, kind of,

it is taking these ancillary issues with blowing up a rather. ready dealing with the, with the real problems we face, which is, you know, absolutely. now, a really significant challenge is the liberal order, as well as an alternative to this kind of american you know, system is what i mean. what i mean is the new liberal order. it's just as bad for the united states as it is for other countries. exactly. that. yeah, yeah, yeah. i mean, i, for the life of me why the american congress pays ukrainian pensions, but it won't take care of pensioners in america or veterans or any other group. ok, really? yeah. so are billions around, but nobody for palestine is trained. goodbye matthew. you know, one of the, one of the biggest difference we see right now is that, you know, ever since the end of the cold war, the great powers didn't confront each other. they had proxy wars all over the place

here. they didn't go toe to toe, but now we see elements within the american administration and want to go toe to toe with russia and china at the same time. the great powers traditionally don't go after each other. you know why? because you can fail. it's existential. that's why we live in a very dangerous time. we have great powers, the united states confronting other great powers that's. that's a no no, because you can lose matthew. yeah, no, absolutely. i mean, again, as i mentioned earlier, the, the advent of the nuclear bomb really change the calculus of how global empire could ever function again and for throughout the cold war period of the mutually assured destruction of formula that was set out by folks like bertrand russell it sorta had a balance of terror that didn't result in destroying everything. but now we're at a point where we have a systemic breakdown. i think that that factor of the transatlantic systemic banking meltdown. but as much as the banking, the physical in the physical means of production,

which have been atrophied consistently for 50 plus years, are now variables that are shaping the thinking of certain fanatics who unfortunately have access to the watch mechanisms of many of these nuclear warheads who can do nothing but doubled down on the script that they had laid out back in 109192. when the world was one. it was the, you know, end of nation states. one world government was here and of history, and they seem to still hold on to the delusion that that scripts still applies to the current age, despite the fact that reality has completely changed from their ivory tower. and i think you see some signs of major infighting amongst different factions of oligarchical interest. right now we're some are saying, you know, well maybe we should like live to fight another data board. this plan. i think the jeffrey sachs angle is, is playing a role in that. and then on other angles you have the more fanatical neil con drive of just, you know, we can do nothing but what we're program to do, which is had gemini with no negotiation. and that's scary, it's a very, very proud that's how we end the program. it's scary, it's certainly as gentleman,

it's all the time we have a want to thank my guess and tokyo houston and in hong kong. and want to thank our viewers for watching us here. in our see, see you next time. remember ross stock rolls. ah ah i rick sanchez and i'm here to plead with you. whatever you do, you do not watch my your show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. my little opinion that you won't get anywhere else, work of it please, or do i have the state department, the c, i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you, go ahead. i change and whatever you do. don't watch my show stay mainstream because

i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you think a u. k is escalating with conflict by promising to send depleted uranium ammunition to prank russia, highlighted the devastating hold consequences for civilian and military after they've been used by the way, in a trip to russia. they're a tree is foreign minister says that western partners are getting faith against each other and of the conflict the new prey. and the changes in taiwan are clear example. let me take this opportunity i created just to produce reposition on the ukraine pretext a pretext that has said in the 2nd place in the grade