west is the proper suitor for other countries. it's. there's a built in bias. if you think about it, go ahead handy. no, there absolutely is. and i think, you know, i did a video for c, g t n a last month about how western media is subtly and invisibly poisoning its audiences with these in, you know, these insinuations and these distortions been this phrase, marriage of convenience is exactly one of those well, john, the same question to you because they've been talking about this marriage of convenience for a long time and all a while russia and china has reached out to each other. they've reached out to the entire world. you know, the, the, the marriage of convenience is more like the united states and it's nato allies. i would say that's a shotgun marriage of convenience. okay, absolutely. i mean, you're, you're best how i destroys a pipeline of yours. what, what kind of marriage is that? okay, but how to more serious know john?

i mean, again, this is a very arrogant narrative about how the world should revolve around the west, but it's not so much anymore, and that's what really irritates them. go ahead john. i wouldn't characterize this as a marriage because otherwise most conscious would be accused of hard income. i guess the china maintains discount operation ships was many countries. but i think what's unique here is that the russia is company, as we all know it, you know, engaged in a water ukraine. the entire west is fighting essentially my views. if i didn't get an attorney takes on your chart of the position on china, you maintains a, in a fairly good relationship with most countries and the scope in this case, particularly was, was russia. i think, you know, it's a, it's a very special relationship in the past in the, in the, in the sense that washer, that accuses china being of siding on the russian side. which is something that you

categorically deny, that we're going to have something called both countries. look at the kilometer. you should practical relationship post friday. so i think you know, beverage, but certainly it's an example of maintaining a gratian issue, a strategic relationship between great powers. you know, you miss conflict in this client. i'm glad john you talk about the great powers because the west doesn't like that. okay. that's but smacks and experience of influence and stuff like that. actually, you know, we're going back to traditional geo politics of great powers, and i think it's healthy because it breaks a gemini. and when one country has to gemini, it is dangerous for the entire system. and this is what we're thing, danny. you know, the russia and china and other countries are challenging the west, but they're not only challenging the west. they're presenting an alternative. and this is what the west doesn't tell their publics that there is an alternative way

of doing geo politics that is more peaceful and absolutely more prosperous for, for all people in the world. and it's no wonder that russia and china appealed to the global south, or the global majority is i think it should be called go ahead, danny. well, that's exactly right. and what russia and china are doing is through their strategic partnership. they are actually leading by example in a way that is hitherto not existed prior. during the cold war, there was a lot of confrontation in a lot of antagonism between the rising powers to the east, china and russia. and of course, the united states. now russia and china have turned in this direction of multi polarity and have made it very clear that they're not targeting any 3rd party in that they would if they could have relationships, real strong relationships with the collective west in with united states. but what they are actually doing is taking the high ground here, and that is driving the neo con, foreign policy establishment. absolutely mad. because what russia and china are

actually doing through their c teaching partnership, is showing the world that the united states in the collective was, aren't actually needed at this time. that to rising powers, developing countries that are fast becoming leaders in the global south can actually chart a path forward internationally that doesn't include the problems and the consequences of unipolar her gemini, that the united states has shown quite clearly, is a disaster for the planet whether we look at ukraine or they look at the rest of the world and how it is staring under us domination, leading by example. you're absolutely right, andy, this is, this is what's really important here. is that what we're, danny just told us, you know, not, not targeting a 3rd country, but the west. they want to have a relationship that it suits them and their interests only. and everyone else has to adapt now for a good for the post more environment. yes, that was, that happened quite a bit, but it's no longer happening anymore. and more and more people are rejecting this,

this kind of arrangement on the global stage. when one country decides everything it is, there is no check on that one country. and that what, that's what makes it very dangerous for the international system. and i would even say for western publics as well. go ahead, andy. well, that's absolutely true peter. and i think the key phrase here or term is hypocrisy . and this is not just on the international stage, but domestically is well, i think this is what are the u. s. and the handful but dwindling handful of countries that stand with it are so afraid. and i think angered by in that when we look at the exploitation domestically, that most americans are really, are in a state of debt peonage. and that this is replicated on the global stage as well. ah, that what china and russia and other countries are showing is,

there is another way that works just as well, if not better than the quote unquote american way. and if enough americans see this, i think this is going create real problems for the sustainability of, of the american power structure. and we're seeing this change as president see mentioned these changes unseen in a 100 years yet law that could also spar a re appraisal domestically in the u. s. as well. and i think this is what is so threatening. yeah. well, you know, it's threatening. john, is that in a very short amount of time on china broker to do between iran and saudi arabia presented the world with a piece of plan for ukraine. oh, my goodness. why the chinese doing this? how dare they get involved in these they, this is what is so astounding. watching american cable news their hair is on fire is that we're supposed to do this. yeah, you've been doing it for like 70 years and you've screwed up the world pretty badly . maybe you should pass the baton to somebody else for

a change. i think that will resonate with, with the american and public if they were explained in, in a very truthful manner. what's going on? of course they're not. go ahead, john. well, i can come most of what you said, but i let this be a little bit on a scares that the on saudi arabia and iran, happy engaged age for open behind. don't you go? sions what a while actually are just by themselves and i think but what's significant here is that finally they, they did cut the ribbon, they shake hands in b, g, i think biggest the most significant event. and i think this is with it from right . we're at so far it's, it's mostly of the saudi arabia's choosing actually, and i think and although the prince over there, people caught him, am vieza that this, the deliverer he did, he make this a thing happening paging to make a point to washington that the house is another all broker here in the middle east . in all honesty, i don't think china wants to play a sort of

a substitution or role of bees of you washington. i think, you know, as you maintain gratian ships was practically every party, every player in a middle east. i mean, you talking about pals, the jewish, the arrow sort of the turks in the charming teams grange with each one of them. and there is a major trade on they've not the largest trading partner with each one of these countries. so i think, you know, china's engagement miller is, is mostly from a commercial point of view. it's also from a sort of a, you know, a good diplomatic relationship. what have you. nevertheless, i think again, i want to emphasize that a disadvantage is significant. the sense that the emacs, the andy of an arrow, an error america, you know, totally dominating the landscape of the middle east on now. oh, as a new player into hell, i'm glad you brought up that point there. danny. i mean, i'll be more specific in my question to you, but basically the same theme is that, you know, at china is not replacing the united states. it's not what it's trying to do. but

china is a great power in involved with the saudis and iranians. they're not choosing side. see the u. s. always choose aside. ok. and generates a com that the chinese are saying now you guys can shake hands and you could do it in our capital, but it's up to you to move it forward. and i think that's the message that beijing was sending in beijing is not picking aside in the conflict. that's very wise for over a great power. go ahead, danny. yeah. and in what china is doing to, is there demonstrating what exactly is important in international relations? what exactly is the most important factor in developing stable international relations in that is economic cooperation. and so a china has done all around the world through its various mechanisms like the baltimore initiative is mirror the stability that it is experiencing right now internally. so all of what is being laid diplomatically for china,

all of its ascendancy in the diplomatic sphere and in a leadership sphere economically. and politically is all made possible by its domestic stability. and that's one aspect of this that doesn't get much conversation here, but china doesn't take sides because it understands in order to have stability internationally. there has to be cooperation at a very broad in a very deep level. that doesn't mean that china doesn't take positions that has taken a position on the ukraine crisis. it has made clear that it takes all the security interests of all parties concerned. it also has taken positions on issues like sanctions and has opposed them in it. it opposes any kind of unilateral aggression . so china has taken positions world wide, but has understood that in order to have stable international relations in order to develop in a peaceful manner. and in order to ensure that all the interests as, as fully as possible, are mary wells, artes danny dana. i had to jump in,

we had to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. multiple arity stay with archy ah ah ah, and i to live with with key at the ocean. just keep a closer to the dealer, molly, complete with

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with okay, let's go back to and in beijing you know, and i'm a child of the cold war i make. i don't really hide my age. okay. i was brought up during the cold dry. remember the rhetoric, i remember some of the, the crises as well. and it would seem to me that, you know, when i was being brought up, you know, it was the communist bloc, the ideology and merciless this and the grayness and all it was really evil. it was really pitched that way, but you know, now with the end of the cold towards the west, it's become intensely ideological and intensely bias. i mean, again, i work in the news business. i'm a media person and i watch a lot of media and just the, the how vapid western media is when it comes to countries like china and in the china is the least ideological on the world stage of, of the great powers. go ahead, andy. well,

i think you're absolutely right and you know, i think one of the big differences is the u. s. during the cold war and today really demonizes and seeks to divide. where's the chinese approach is based on 2 foundational principles that are related. the 1st is benevolence, and the 2nd is maturity. and i think this is very, very different. we see this reflected in china's foreign policy approach. and i want to go back to john's point about saudi arabia, that this was highly symbolic. and i think what so important here is that it also may mark the unraveling of american hegemony, which is based on the petro dollar. so we go back in history. ah, that nixon by abandoning the gold begging the dollar to golden, making it a fee on currency essentially worthless piece of paper that the only way of the u.

s. could keep the game going, was by a strong arming the saudis into taking dollars for oil and that was allowed the dollar to to continue. and now we may see the end of that as the saudis are symbolically a showing a greater independence and practically accepting the un. ah, for oil that we may be on the cusp again, of these changes unseen in a 100 years. well, in get to that point, john, i mean, this is that, you know, again, have i stated also already in this program is that, you know, that the west turns it into a confrontation. but so many countries like russia and china are saying, when i don't know, we don't want confrontation with you, we're just going to do things in a different way. and alternative way. you can join us if you want. but if you don't want to join us, a lot of people are going to follow us. i'm, you know, i'm thinking of the bricks and things like this where there are, there's a world beyond the west is a very long literature about this, actually. and so,

you know, avoiding confrontation in looking for a more hum, harmonious way of moving forward. and again, you know, the last 70 years or, or been so turbulent. it's time to change your way of looking at the world. had gemini, is dangerous. it multiple arity is the way forward. i think this is what the great powers of john china russia are saying. go ahead john. that's it. you're absolutely right. you know, that's exactly what's happening here. but you know, this is a scenario. so tell me, washington like it and it's trying to, at least in the, in the global media was trying to show it as, as, as, as a, something else. and essentially, you know, this confrontation in the ukraine is somehow a frame as a addle between the democracy. whoa. and also a terry. a woke up interest in a and i did a bit of speech just recently actually of moscow a few weeks ago to vote for our my argument is,

is that look and you look at all the countries, it's talk about middle east here, all the punches, who thought it would take a position on this more particular policy regarding the, the sanction thought is war unanimously. been under the countries in the middle east has taken a sanction approach towards russia. and these countries ranch from full democracy us as sports yup. on his will to monarchy such as so saudi arabia fall in ohio to religious countries, to secular countries, from washington's arch enemies, to walk his closest allies. and from all kinds of political spectrum, i think, you know, this, this, this, the right you, this the red chip or fog democracy against author return to the zone is totally not sense. you my well, you know, danny, i mean, you can think of the january 6 prisoners or hostages if you want to call them in the united states. not very democratic there. i mean, democracy is challenged within the united states that alone exporting it to other

countries. danny, what is the, the term rules based order mean to you? because i, i've been hearing this now for the entire bite administration, and i can't get a straight answer. what does it mean? because when i listen to president, she, i listen to president putin. i understand what they want to do, non interference of other in other countries. sovereignty respect, respect, collaborative other countries. but then they throw in the rule based on what it means to you. well, rose based order is essentially code for us lead order, us dominated world order. that's really all it is because united states has trampled all over international law for more than 70 years since the end of world war 2. and the united states, even at this moment, is so open in blatantly u hubert, thickly arrogant about issues like the ukraine crisis, for example. where on the one hand, they say they respect ukraine sovereignty and on the other say they could never allow ukraine to, to tack onto or agree to

a chinese lead proposal for peace. so really all the u. s. is talking about when it talks about a rules base order is a u. s. dominate order one, where the u. s. makes the rules in the u. s. enforces its own rules, which generally means dominating other countries, the stabilizing entire region, and economically and politically benefiting from these imperialistic ventures. you know, and i, we listened to salt and the head of nato. he's on the way out, but he has great ambitions for the, for the alliance going into the pacific now. but i thought nato was a defensive alliance. why does it need to go to the other side of the world? what does it defending there? okay. i mean, there's a double speak that keeps coming out of western capital. no, no, no, we're just defensive. where defensive year? well, they why they have a string of bases around china in the south china sea, always called the south china sea because it's next to china. right. go ahead,

andy. i think there's a couple of interesting things going on with this peter. so 1st of all, we have to recognize that nato is really not as independent as it might want to portray itself that the u. s. plays are very decisive role. and the u. s. recognizes that just as it cannot compete with china fairly economically, that it has to resort to these kind of underhanded tactics to try to slow down china's development rather than improving itself. it also recognizes that it cannot engage in these military efforts to contain china on its own and has to marshal what resources it can. i think this is where we see nato coming into play here. but the other thing we have to recognize to, to come back to this idea of changes unseen in a century is that the original logic for nato was to keep germany down

russia in the u. s. in. and i think there's a growing awareness in europe and in germany that should germany be kept down forever. and that isn't time for germany to take a greater role. and in fact, a reproach more with russia makes a lot of sense. and i know many german business people that it's very impolitic to say these things, but you know, they recognize the reality of we may be again witnessing and unraveling in a realignment here. ah, of, you know, that may see the end of nato. well, you know, john absolutely would, and he just said here, i mean that, that, and this is the whole point of this, this conflict in ukraine that was provoked by nato expansion after the illegal coon, in cabin 2014. i'm and then you have the suddenly, you know,

the pipelines blow up here. well, everybody knows what, why that was done. and it was exactly for the reason that, and you decided is to break any kind of a strong relationship between germany and russia. well, they succeeded. okay. and the future of germany's economic base is in question right now. without cheap energy, it's not going to be the power house of europe. ok. but, you know, when you see a head demand that is declining, we can see that it gets quite dangerous of being provoking a war and ukraine blowing up pipelines back in the international criminal court where they're not even a member of it. i mean, this is really reckless. i would be worried if i were you in beijing? well, i'm notion that does the nato, as a defense organization is already one of the biggest jokes ain't obviously not on an when stano boat talking about i thought well,

when he was talking about you know, a natal hotness, we're actually in the asia pacific region. oh it's, it's about to water some to, oh, so every time you know, talking about security architecture. so called a security architecture that we secured, if i'm home yet to ask this question secured from home, right? so immediately stood up a little bit and talking to antagonistic relationship with somebody. and that's my reward. so i think that we have to be as, as asian here i, i'm a firm belief that you know, lead the asian matters. that agent of nato has no business in the pacific region is no business in indiana, which has no business in the pacific ocean. so love, you know, this whole notion of, you know, security architecture, you know, they told us here in this region, it doesn't make sense that all. there was a last in a, apparently, this is a direction that i think that net is going to take off and doesn't very bode well

for the peace and prosperity in this region. less very wars. so danny, we have 40 seconds left yet you can finish it up for is i agree with what andy and john just said here were very, very dangerous times right now. 4540 seconds to you, danny shore. well, the united states in a collect the wes are backing themselves further and further into a corner, the more aggressive they become toward russian, china's partnership, the more actually they bring them closer together. and furthermore, it's not as if russian china don't have strategic interests of their own, which necessitate cooperation and actually leave the united states and collect the west on the sidelines. and that's exactly why there's such a problem with this partnership from the united states. decide. that's right, because they don't have to be a suitor. they think that they're indispensable, indispensable, that they are and so necessary. no, they're not. and that's what we're finding out. they're not necessary. the west is not necessary for the world to move forward, and that has a very, very bitter pill for the west to swallow. gentlemen, that's all the time we have want to thank my guests in beijing and to new york and

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