is considered to be a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians. the french colonists are responsible for the debts of one and a half 1000000 algerians. oh i sanchez, i've been doing news for 30 years in 2 languages around the world. and here in the united states, i've interviewed for presidents founded a $1000000000.00 business. i believe new should be honest, direct and impactful. this is direct impact. ah, we sent this newscast with a name, seymour hersh. the reporter who wrote the very detailed story of how the cia under the direction of the, by the administration blew up and or treme pipelines. he has a new article out. it's called the cover up. and tonight,

he's going to join us to talk about his latest reporting. by the way, this new article by seymour hersh, which you can read for yourself on sub stack. and you should, could easily be called the cover story instead of the cover up because it seems to reveal how our government had to come up with or plant a cover story to compete with the one written by mister hersh originally to explain who blew up the pipelines, interestingly enough, that cover story is now being widely disseminated, tre, spiegel, and germany, the new york times. and it goes something like this. the people who blew up the pipeline have nothing to do with the cia. it's a rogue team of saba tours who are pro ukrainian, but they don't represent the ukrainian government. now at this point i want to add something on a bit of a personal note. i like to jog with the new york times podcast. try to do it daily . in fact, it's called daily. so recently i was listening and i heard one of the guys who

wrote the story, this new story in the new york times, same people who ignored the previous story, presented by mr. hersh. suddenly he's asked while i'm listening to him on this podcast, why he's reporting that the summer tours did it, and how he sure that the see, i didn't do it. his answer to my absolutely started from it was live because he asked his us intel sources and they say they didn't do it. now i should add the times is not the only news entity that ignored the blockbuster. see more her story, cnn, and the rest of the cable ers did the same thing. in fact, there was a time when cnn would have wanted to know more about mr. hershey story and they would have interviewed him. i know, because i was part of that c n n. i interviewed mr. hersch on several occasions at cnn. apparently they don't do that anymore. let me show you something if see,

and i did want a reason to look into whether our government had something to do with the destruction of the north stream pipelines. all they really had to do was go into their own coverage coverage of mr. biden saying this, if russian vase that means tanks or troops crossing the on the border of ukraine again, then there will be we, there will be no longer a nor stream to we will bring it in with her will you? how will you do that exactly. since the project in control of the project is within germany's control, we will, i promise you will be able, do he got all of the smoker. that was after. according to mister hirsch's reporting, mister biden had already been involved in meetings on how possibly they would destroy the pipelines. 3 the way you got to love just the way he presented, right?

and then one final thing about why the, her story should probably not have been ignored. and this is important because i know many of you are watching us from all over the world, probably millions and millions and millions of you and, and maybe you're not familiar with mr. hurst. maybe not familiar with mr. hurst his work. so let me add something. seymour hersh is journalistically speaking. a legend . and this may sound almost weird because it doesn't happen any more. it seems like it doesn't happen any more or less. but reporters are supposed to question their governments leaders not to p. r for them, in fact, they're supposed to have an adversarial relationship with them. that's what we're actually trott when we, when we study the stuff in journalism school, have an adversarial relationship. sy hersh a petima epitomizes that type of journalism. mean this guy broke the meal. i massacre story exposing lies on our military told which help to bring an end of the vietnam war. he broke the abu ghraib story exposing the futility of the iraq war.

he was in the pentagon papers, the watergate, henry kissinger syria. i said i could go on, in fact, in large measure the story matters. i mean, this story matters. i have to say this because of sy hersh. and yet journalistically speaking the guy's kind of a legend. and he's also good enough to join us now to talk about some of his a latest reporting. i thanks so much for being with us. you better tell everybody. we're not brothers in law. pretty overwhelmed. deduction. yeah. you have to be for the class of people who believe in journalism, which doesn't seem to be the class that exists today. i think in all fairness, chum scared the hell out of and most of the most of them, most of the, the more or less straight press acreage is terrified by it. so they're back, you know, that's, that's just one reason. but you know, i said i work for the new york times, just 7 or 8 years and wrote all kinds of stories and,

and i would say of the $800.00 stories or whatever, maybe 5 percent had a source in that by name. most of them were written because you can't get people in the community. so the, the rap i me and this story was unnamed sources which is really tiresome. because you know, how could, and the fact that story, you mentioned that the, that the times wrote the recorder sort of disavowed what you even written. that had 3 names, sources in it too. it's just, so we're in a really funny stages. it's a post trump stage there, i think the new york times and washington post the liberal media. and i would, i would include c, n, n and m s nbc as opposed to fox news. although i must say tucker carlson and foxes reported what i wrote right away. right up front. yeah. but the other man enters didn't, and you know, they just did not and asked me if to said it or the house have done anything about of the democratic senate. chuck schumer, thou speaker,

the idea that they would ask for an investigation into a democratic president. we've come a long wait wrong in the last $34.00. let us go, let's go to this latest story and i would love to know what you think from your own experiential standpoint of why the united states seems to have and i'll use this word and you tell me if it's over used in this case, invented or planted this most recent story. why are they doing this? because they the, the united states, those who did it, they know the president did it. you know, another way of asking this question that no reporter is asking a press conference. the, the we blow up the pipeline and pipe and biden's. okay. a group of ca, officers and other agencies are put together. and really this year, last year, a year ago at this time and they did the, they did the hard work in norway. i've written about that, but so after you know,

all you have to do get is to ask if you are in the white house press corps, said the president or to the press secretary one day. have you guys ever done as the president of or tasks that's the word they use in the military and the intelligence community, the white house, to test them to do all sorts study of who did the bomb, blew it up. and you know, we have incredible intelligence. we have signals, intelligence, we have assets, we have most of the countries in europe work with us. we could have, we could have had an answer that, sorry, you know, in a few days. but of course nobody's asked and the white house is not going to do it because they know who did. why asked to do it, why have it on the record? so it's all and the story is falling apart and there's pressure. what happened? do you think so? so very few of us seem to want to cover this story. and when i read the story that you wrote, it's a fascinating story. and what i find best about the story is it's fairly detailed.

you have conversations, meetings, dates, et cetera, et cetera. it's hard to question that. and yet it seems to be taking a long time for people to say, oh my god, we did it again. our government or cia did something we probably should have done at the, at the order of the president. and in the story, i wrote the last sentence, if i remembered that this is the initial story written, i've been writing for a subset for not that i didn't know much about. it's quite a, it's quite a medium. i think a, a, me and history story within 20 hours. that's because there's a lot of journalism that isn't being happened. is it going out right now? and there are many people and not just in america, this is that international thing. many people around the world understand that they're not getting from the american press and the new york time, washington post to kind of report the mission, get particularly on the war. if you read the new york times, you would think that, you know what mom is doing quite well, but it's, it's going to be could call. and that doesn't mean like, you know, this is started the 1st bloody is worried head in western europe since world war 2

. and you can't, you could always fault him for that. it's not about that. it's about us. and you know, and, and by the president is my explanation for what's going on is biting is, is, is he wants to be re elected. again, it is on for command. we can see it. i mean, he's ok, but he's not in for command. he's tire is, is close to 80 and and there's a lot of problems in the countries not dealing with. and presidents always find that war is a big plus when you go to war, you get a lot of points. you always, your bill clinton learned this in the worst days of his presidency once he started bombing a bomb di rack. what 5 months into the presidency when he was of a great trouble because of his demand that the army accepts. don't ask, don't tell. remember, he was being read judy credits, always. yeah. and he didn't have to say he did not have the guts to tell it the

members of the joint chief, if you don't like my policy, give me your resignation. said he just waffled on. when he did a bombing in may, i remember i was at a ballpark, but my kid, there was announcer made anybody know, go home. i was that a must have been both to go home. and so i knew something was up and i was then working for the new york. well yeah, new yorker and a magazine. and the next day, sure enough they had bomb. baghdad killed a people. and the 1st time america had ever struck a major city in the middle east. the next day he goes to church, and sunday was a saturday that the bombing took place. he goes to church, and he's a hero. the presser all over there, all over, every word that works or so by jumped on ukraine. he's got a subordinate. what not just on ukraine. i mean, then this particular case that you write about, i mean we go to norway, we find divers, we take the ones here in my state, pensacola area,

florida. we combine them, we send them on this mission, they go 260 feet under ground. they plat, essentially bombs, see for on concrete blow up these things. then this whole story is i don't know like a something out of a double. 07 movie. and yet we're doing it thinking no one's going to find out what i could tell you. one thing about the cia when it wants to do something down and dirty, they know how to keep it. they know how to keep it small. that you know what i'm saying. yeah. the people who know very small and the president wasn't really getting briefed. the director was the final point. yeah. the guys are the fee and the less that the white house knows the better because it's a talkative white house. and so the president knew they were ready to do it. that's why they buy so. so you might think it was talking directly to the operational guys . and that said, none of his chief of staff or the rest of those folks were really involved in this

because they would have, it would've leaked well that the fear was there they, you know, we happen to have a very unique bunch of guys are all very very anti communist and they're yapping a lot and we have a, a secretary of state who was supposed to go to beijing to meet his counterpart. and he didn't go because of a balloon. you know, remember that he didn't go because of a balloon on how are you kidding me? and we are very hostile to all things. so communists were very hostile. the chinese, the language is very, the language is enough to provoke to hello everybody. and you know, we're in a situation now we're, we're not top dogs. what happened in the last couple of last month? china cut a deal with saudi arabia, which is sunni. yeah. and so needs to go to shia iran and cut a deal for oil and energy right behind our back. and natalie that i'm told that i think it's probably going to happen soon. china, which by about 20 to 25 percent of saudi arabia is enormous. of oil they put out is

going to start paying and yen and not in a dollar. and so what is saudi? it, what is where the saudi arabia out of it. the iranians then cut back on their people . they support in yemen, the booties and the war ends. there really is so much to talk about. we're speaking with legendary investigative journalist seymour hersh ah side, do me a favor, stick around when we come back a little deeper dive into this conversation. this is after we come back from break, but before we go, i want to let you know i have a podcast where as a journalist of latino, as an entrepreneur, i tell my story and i share some of the things i've learned. good and bad. plenty of bad. it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to check it out. don't go away. ah. with

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good. come for the dickies off, but i was on the way to wait for us to work by found in your cheerios. i was on monday, i saw xanda capital 2 children. i spoke with 23 feet looking union involving my food single credit. ah, what back i'm rick sanchez, we're talking with the investigative journalist, seymour hersh, about his recent work uncovering who was behind the north stream, pipelines, destruction, and we return now, you know, sigh. i mentioned this a little while ago, but as i was reading your story, i was thinking, i would hope that we still have people within our own government. maybe people in the intelligence community who feel the need that the desire to

speak out when they see some of the things that that, that we do that, that we ought to know about. that our question, i imagine that is what led some of the people to talk to you. am i right, i'll put it another way because i don't like to talk specifically about anything, but after i did meal, i mean i was a massacre we did. yeah. in the and i've been in the army my, i'm old enough that i had to go in the army compulsory and i, i know how to shoot an m one and, you know, put together machine gun, but my, my eyes blindfolded. so i, i could imagine the army that i was in, in the early fifties, was an army capable of murdering 500 people in cold blood and not only murdering but raping the woman and then mutilating many of them really horrible stuff. and i couldn't imagine it and, and so when i did that story, almost anybody who had any sense in vietnam, the officers in particular they knew how bad it was. and so i'm, i was

a voice for them. so over the next, you know, when i went on the right for the new yorker magazine and the new york times, etc. the people that come to me and our governments for the people like this, not in the intelligence service in the state department. i mean, everywhere, when you take the oath of office in america, you have to do it every year, right. at a certain offices do these guys. it's for then, it's not to the general or the admiral or the to the president is the constitution . and there are those people there and you know, if you're a 3rd, 3rd, a 3rd generation american or 4th generation whose the, whose family has been in war and been in combat for america. you go in there happily and then you get, rather they get disillusion. you do, you do your job, but you do have, you do have a sense that there is that your, i just can't get into source. but you're, you're not wrong in the idea that the people i talked to are people that want their

job to be better. and i'll put it another way they want their president to make better choices. i don't think that i think that's fair enough. you right. well, you're right about of course correction by the way that i was fascinated by. they had really originally planned to blow the things up within 48 hours. and then somehow there was some information sent to them saying no, apparently because we were doing military exercises just prior to that and seemed like a whole world would no soon as a military exercise, then something blows up was. was that the reason and take me through that if you could. the whole idea was the problem was the difficulty of the emission and it was, by the way, what, what the intelligence community did. there was quite spectacular, even though that they, they didn't like the end, but they were given assignment, come up with an option. if you want to blow up the pipelines, you have to do it in such a way that we can't be blamed. right? and what they, what they wanted to do, the fear was that at some point, as a,

as a war, ukrainian war against russia continued. and despite all the optimistic report you get from my old newspaper, the new york times where i work, 7 or 8 years, it was a great newspaper back then i don't know why they're in this tack. they are now of just being sort of a playpen playboy for the, for the democrats in the white house, which they are enlarge. the war is by september when, when biden said, let's do it, gave the order. the war was certainly sold out. and we've put now 12015120 1000000000 dollars into that war. and western europe was being asked to give more and more. and the concern was, they could see in western europe. and in germany, what we want being told too much at this war was going nowhere so, so they were concerned if it blew up right after our ships or our military exercises that we were doing, there happened everybody was no,

we weren't. all right. exactly right. about that they so the idea was the wait, but why he picked 3 months and 3 and a half months to wait was the question. i wondered, why did you suddenly do it in late september? because to get back to the point, the war wasn't going well. and even though the press was describing how ukraine was really great, wonderful standing up, wish they were. i mean, they don't like russians anymore than america, like the russians are different. yeah. why? she's a good government is we're not talking about people were told by government, but so what happened is the, all the best guess i have the best guess the people who were involved in this were very dissolution by it is he was afraid that europe was going to begin to walk away, particularly the germans, germans, after world war 2 are not interested in the big military. and they were being asked to produce more tanks and, and the, the pipeline that, that shows control full of gas and windows coming up. now they happen to be a mile with their was, which is okay. but winter is coming up for europe and yeah,

the was, he was going to open up the pipeline and make us do his job as chancellor. he was going to make the people warm, make the businesses happy, and so we didn't give him that option. we took away the option by just the only explanation, it makes sense to me and other a lot of other people involved is that he blew up the pipeline whether schultz knew about it at the time or not is not clear. i don't know, but he's certainly afterwards is not been. he's not been part of the, the people screaming for an investigation. he's done it being a stop it. and so what western europe, we always had, western europe doesn't have the gas and oil. we've always had western europe's back, you know, we supported west and it's been a model of the martyr. see what we did after world war 2 is we've really turned a lot of countries. jim all european countries in the model with this action, are we cy leaving them out in the cold quite literally, leaving them out in the garden? it's desperate there. now it's inflation like you've never seen. they there trying

to get by with l. n. g, liquified national gas doesn't produce it. and it costs $34.00 times as much, then was going to have enough gas to keep their people warm and not only in germany, but western europe in the russian gas is so much that germany was able to sell what they call downstream. they had companies sell the rushing gas, we have too much up, down, see the other companies. so all gone now in france right now. they're paying 5. some places are paying 5 times as much for electricity because they've always had gas and ever from germany. turbines that produce electricity run by gas by coal, and they shut down some nuclear sites. they may reopen, but they shut them down because they were dangerous. i got to ask you, i got to ask you about the existential potential differential effect of something like this. i worry as an american look, i don't want world war 3. ok. i don't want to go to war with china. i don't want to go to go war with russia, but it scares me to think that my beloved country would be

doing something like this. where we would destroy the infrastructure of another country, no less a country with more nuclear warheads than we have. and the potential effect that could have oftentimes, the 1st act in wars is the destruction of infrastructure. well, my god, if we did this as you report, that's exactly what this is. how work should we be about this kind of your, you know, your, your, your, my, your, my pitch man and the stuff man, that's great, that's exactly what we're done. and i don't think biden thought through the consequences of the hatred of russia, the age of the communism, and they'll forget the war for him in the beginning. everybody was for let's go show the counties. yeah. but it's not work. oh, well, that's the thank you, haven't worked at mcdonald's, maybe gone, but there's still people who fill in hamburgers there and the country is not dying . it's the people are living. i'm sure it's the economies down a little bit. he's not getting the same money, but he's making, do you have me,

he was, i'm just, you just made me think of something. do you think if the american people knew that we did this rather than not knowing because they watch cnn and m. s. c. and fox and read the new york times and there's no way that they can know unless, you know, they're a very small minority. do you think of our people, if we americans knew what we did, we would hold it against our government right now. we would call by them to question for it. i think it's, i, it's not happening now because they don't know really very much about it. there's been no press coverage. right. and you know, i'm a guy to one off my wife or maybe hank up any prices. anyway. i got boxes. no, none of them in the house. i want an awful lot of prizes in my life and, and that's what i really am i doing. are we as americans are going to act on this type of information? if we were to know, i don't know. oh no. is that all i know is that the kind of the company does,

i mean the language that comes out of biking and it's because secretary state blinking and his national security adviser jake sullivan, who was a big push for expanding nato in his earlier life. and the under secretary of state victoria, a new car and sponsor, and i'm involved in the overthrow of a pro russia government in 8 years ago. 2014. i call that game when blinking, blinking, blinking, and you know, as a child worry because they're all the same page. so i mean, isn't screaming and yet, you know, what can i tell you? you're great. and i'm sorry to say we're out of time. we could, we can, i know i will say one more thing. you can cut it if you have to go ahead this, this summer and fall is going to be a disaster for europe. and it's going to be fond by the fed. and what do you want to do is to lock up a chance reelection or be re nominated? he's going to blow it. he's going to blow and it's not going to happen. he's your

word, your prediction seymour hersh shop. legendary old world journalist, as we like to say, there may be a few of us left. thank you. thank you. sigh for joining us and sharing your wisdom and your knowledge. just teach me how to think if i would pretty but because i haven't done it yet. that's what i want you to think about. but well said we so appreciate it. before we go, i want to remind you our mission here. it's pretty simple. we kind of want to de silo the world. we've got to stop living in these little boxes truths. don't live in boxes, they're everywhere. i'm rick sanchez. i'll be looking for you again right here. where i hope to provide you with a direct impact. ah ah

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