ah, the claims of the king of the belgians leopold the 2nd to the congo were finally authorized by the leading european countries in 1885. in the very heart of the african continent, a state under the rule of the belgian monarch was declared. since the beginning, the congo free state was total may him for the local population and functioned as a universal concentration camp. the majority of the population, including women and children, were forced to work on the rubber plantations. those who failed to fulfill their quota were beaten and mutilated to keep the congolese people under control. the king set up the so called for spook leak, which were punitive detachments that cast terror on the captured country and its inhabitants. fearing that their subordinates would simply waste bullets hunting for wild animals, the officers demanded that the soldiers gave an answer for every bullet used. and

as proof presented a chop hand of an african. it was not uncommon when trying to justify the use of the ammunition, the colonist amputated the hands of not only those who were dead, but also of those who were kept alive. the atrocious exploitation of the congo turned into a real genocide in only 20 years. the policy of the belgians led to the death of nearly 10000000 people alongside the holocaust. that genocide of the congo population is considered to be one of the grimmest pages in the history of mankind . ah. 2 2 2 2 it's not uncommon for different govern mental elements to work against each other. bureaucratic fights are common to every government, but what happens when one governmental entities. so mission is to stop the flow of drugs. a competing agency is one of the major facilitators of drugs. the result is

chaos ah, welcome to the whistleblowers, i'm john kerry yahoo! one of my favorite television shows is called marco's, which has appeared for several years on the netflix streaming service. one of the things that's clear in that series, and it's based on true events, is that just as the drug enforcement administration or d e a is on the verge of successfully completing an operation to disrupt a major drug transaction, or to arrest a major drug kingpin the operation goes bad, the bad guy gets away and the senior cia officer pops up in the scene. i know from my experience of 15 years and to see that the scenario was completely true and accurate. the d. e. a mission is to stop the flow of drugs into the united states

and to prosecute those people who are responsible. the c a's mission is essentially to do whatever it once with little or no oversight. the cia has long been obsessed with communism. and beyond that, with terrorism, if drug king pins are willing to identify communist and alleged terrorists, then the cia is willing to cast a slot with drug king pins. and the d e a is supposed to just sit there and take it . we're going to talk about this relationship with our next guest. michael levine has been described in the u. s. media as america's top undercover cop for 25 years . a career veteran of the drug enforcement administration. he's a respected author and lecturer, having appeared as an expert witness in more than 500 civil and criminal trials in the u. s. and abroad. he's lectured on undercover operations and human intelligence for the u. s. defense intelligence agency and the federal bureau of investigations, advanced undercover seminar as well as for the new york state division of criminal

justice services and the royal canadian mounted police. there aren't many people in the world who know more about undercover operations than michael levine. michael, thank you so much for joining us. my pleasure at sun. i have so many questions for you that i barely know where to start. i suppose we should begin with this relationship that the cia seems to have had for decades with people and organizations that are active targets of the da. i remember when i was at the cia drugs were of literally no concern to us transferring into the cia counter narcotics center was considered to be a career ending move. and as it turned out, the cia was working against the d. e. a for much of that time, tell us about that. well, i'm gonna give you my personal experiences and as i would forward testifying in court, i initiated a case while i was these d a station chief when, when osiris and i didn't tina and the case was in to

a member. the name of hubbard pope suarez roberto suarez subsequently was called the biggest drug dealer alive before secret session of congress. da, at that time, didn't even know it was when i got involved with suarez. i learned that he was dealing massive amounts of cocaine all over the world. he was literally controlling the flow of cocaine globally. as i started reporting this to the drug enforcement administration, my 1st orders came down that i was to open my files to central intelligence. my, this meant that i opened this massive wall sized wall and they just came at their will for their station within the embassy and began to

go through the files. the rebuttal, suarez case began to make copies take them. there was nothing. i could say i had been ordered by dee to open those files. so it's kind of ironic that after i retired from d e, again writing a, i put a foyer request that ca for my, my files. anything that are under my name. and it came back, we have not seen what i found out in working the roberta, worst case, strange things started to happen to differentiate between deep cover and undercover anybody who puts on a suit and carries a gun, calls himself an undercover agent. a deep cover agent is the guy who goes into the enemy's church and seduces him literally out of his life. i,

you in da collins. they have when you get on the radio, when you're a deep coloration, you say i'm going it often. those are the last words of that man. the undercover agents are the people who say outside and core, i quote, cover the deep cover man. it at which they really can't do it often. what happens is they do a batch job of covering the, the, the deep cover agent guys inside see them outside getting burned as you know what that means. sure. they, they get burns and the agent dies. consequently, yes, you will, you will read about none of this in the newspaper. with the rebels, worst case, what began, how it began to manifest their presence in the case was

d e a headquarters assigned us a plane that really couldn't do the mission? that is the mission in this particular case, it was the 1st time that was done was to fly a plane into the jungles of bolivia. pick up the 1st load of cocaine from roberto suarez and they're deliver them to the united states. the pilots came to me and this is all in my book, the big white light, which is the list though silly and the the pilot came to me and said, displaying is the wrong place. not only that, it's got an n number that was used to ferry bolivian police a couple of years ago. but the, this is all in the book. and if you go through

a book like level reading, you know that you go to a more stringent proof of what you put in then any, any case you would present in course, oh yes. was money, money money's involved. well, the we, and this is captured in the book, i told the guy, so going to actually get on the plane and fly into the jungles. i wouldn't blame you. he didn't read the bravest men i've ever known. not whether they flew that plain into the jungles, picked up that load of cocaine and against everything that the drug enforcement administration and central intelligence could do, made it back. and i thank god to this day. if people are seriously interested in seo hays involvement on the 1st hand, witness is a book. it's only in spanish. okay. then i spoke to eva the king of cocaine

by either levy, suarez, she, she was crescent during his meetings. this monster drug dealer, with central intelligence, the control of him and his operation, was manifest in it. yes. what along along those same lines, the c i a has long been accused of either running drugs or of turning a blind eye while their sources and their cooperators run drugs. gary webb, for example, famously said years ago that the cia had allowed the contra rebels to bring massive amounts of drugs into the united states. and after his reporting was criticized on the same day by the new york times in the washington post. he committed suicide by somehow being able to shoot himself multiple crimes has uria. as your experience been that this cia willingness to tie itself to some of the most notorious drug

traffickers in the world. been a disservice to the united states. what, what is the fall out? been over the long term. do you think rick, this service to the states, the air america, read anything you can about air america. a cia proxy airline, which was flying literally flying. harry, when heroines precursors across the golden triangle area i, when i was when i was transferred to d e a headquarters, i was charged with tracking the flow of the shan united on me. at that time, there were trafficking heroin, right across the, the jungles of, of cambodia. island to, to bank up to, you know, an air base in thailand. and this was where we 1st as a d e agent. i 1st me said words that they were,

they were putting the drugs in the bodies of g, eyes being sent back from vietnam. my god, who is this? this was the herman jackson investigation, right. it was my, it was my investigation. but it was the only one the, the investigation you see in the movies with flying drugs in the co fans, et cetera. that was, i mean, it was really bo, it's a matter of fact i along with a couple of other d agents who were all corrupt and what not we. we started a lawsuit against the film company, which if you have a trust sewer film company, you better law firms. that's right.

and yeah, i mean, the question is this. see, i get involved with drugs every way possible. every way they use it, yet they use it as political to we're going to take a short break. we're speaking with legendary drug enforcement administration officer, michael levine. we're going to take that short break and continue the conversation . stay with us. we'll be right back. 2 2 2 ah, lisa hunter, russian state, i never, i've stayed on the north lansky with so sense and i think within the 55, will this be the keys on that is the final speed you went home with. we will van in the european union, the kremlin media machine, restate on russia today, and c,

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ah, ah, welcome back to the whistle blowers, i'm john kerry. aku, we're talking about the antagonistic relationship over drugs and drug trafficking between the c i a and the drug enforcement administration or d a and were joined by one of the most highly respected drug enforcement professionals in american history. that's michael levine. thanks again for being with us. thank you, john giving me a chance. this is so much cheaper than a psych ha i. i'd be interested to know about your bureaucratic experiences with the cia over the years. certainly, you've gone head to head with the agency on these issues. what was that like and what kind of administrative and perhaps political support did you receive if any?

well, i once asked when i was in, when i was stationed at the embassy and argentina, i once asked them for the lens of a listening device. because they, they give me and i tried a few times tamra listing the vice, nothing. you get got nothing from the ca, it, not that that's so, so very important. but they had all of this going on in the american press about how the cia is now involved in the drug war. and you had all these international d, e, p, cover agents, all laughing and say, well yeah, they are the way that what i want to impress on that impress a, i want you all to know the audience. you know to that i right now function as

a child consultant, an expert witness. you could see my bona fide east on police trial expert dot com. it will tell you the kind and the level of cases in which i am now testifying . and if i said anything that could be used against me on a witness, then they'd grab it from this, but there's nothing that i'm saying that's not so well documented that we can, we can open up a separate court case for it. and it's a really important for the audience understand that. and other than that, let it rip, i'm again really happy to be very happy to be a john on thank you. one of the accusations that you made against the cia, and i have to tell you, i believe every word of it was that it negatively in food influenced a very important da operation. you said that the cia was instrumental in the

creation of something called the called lock core to put, i see on it's a, it was a bolivian drug cartel, which you, what's called the general motors of cocaine. can you tell us about that? yes, it's again, it's in the book, it can be quite like that. sorry, if i live long enough, i should write a whole other you know, dating it. but it's all been the general motors of cocaine, a colon, the general motors of cocaine. because at the time the cia was doing its best to destroy the case against roberto suarez, he, he was a, it was everywhere i. he was putting together cocaine, manufacturing, cocaine organizations, cocaine trafficking roots all over the globe at this point. i think that's why i call it the general. they were the general motors cocaine, particularly at

a time when america we, when you or you saw in the newspapers was press about the scourge of cocaine. right . what it's doing president was saying, is she worse than any kind of, of a, an attack by an enemy? it's the worst thing that our country was facing, is the number one enemy, and this central intelligence with their asset pulling together. and the only way to quote is the general motors of cocaine. there was, there were globally influencing trafficking that with trafficking just with general motors in lucky feel. it's joni, joni, joni metaphor, the only alan. and that analogy i could come up with at the time that was the jap you've written, you've written several highly acclaimed books. and like all of us involved in national security, you had to have those books cleared by the da. they cleared all of them. and the

books still had explosive new information in them. in one you alleged that reagan era attorney general ed meese who's actually still walking around washington, you run into him every once awhile. he had blown the cover of a da undercover team that had penetrated the office of the president of mexico and in 2011 bolivian president evo morales. held up a copy of one of your books for the press and used it as justification to throw da out of the country. in fact, if yes, if he had read the book, he would have cathy said, da, in the country and he would have thrown the cia out of the country. tell us about those incidents. exactly. there was a shock to me, actually. oh, i saw writing that book. nobody was watching. you know, i thought was wrong with the speed the my entire career. i had been under investigation from day one. the investigation continued 2 years after,

but yet nobody was aware of what i was doing. i don't know how that happens, john, you could probably explain that better than me. this isn't just enough that smart. i'm with the fact bureaucrats, mostly bureaucrats. i've met a just really not that smart. they come from a class of people that all they seem to think about is the wrong self aggrandizement, right? our. and if you feed them, you know, i was very good at the cover was because i knew i knew how to seduce people. i knew how to seduce very bad guys. me. well, it's almost the same logic when you're dealing with a bureaucrat yours. oh, yeah, yeah. so if he explained me, i can't, i really can't explain me. i'm just incredibly lucky. or

they weren't watching the store. the right, what else? yeah. well, what else can you say about that? you know, i think when older james was the cia agent and 7 years at that time he spent working for working for the k g b, right. when they finally on him, when they put him, they put him in charge of cocaine, of the drug, see where you don't have to even have to think about it a i don't answer just like talking to you because i like to sit privately with you and i love it, i'd love it, and you know what? let me, let me add something to your, to your thought there. a c, i, a psychiatrist once told me that the cia actively seeks to hire people who have what he called sociopathic tendencies. not sociopaths. because sociopaths are

impossible to control, but the problem is if you're a sociopath, you have no conscience. and so you blow right through the polygraph exam. and so while the see, i says that it doesn't want sociopaths. in fact, the place is full of sociopaths. and that's how they get themselves into these predicaments. yeah. he, having a conscience is like dragging an anchor around in that world. that's right. your world. you can't, you just can't. oh, you're exactly right. that's exactly what it is. i can't, so some of the things, you know, muscle, a veteran, and i am getting peachy care from veterans administration. right. who considered, who considered my experiences as a deep cover agent? what remarried didn't bender, military experiences. and so i believe that red and in their logic they say what

you are serving your country so you know, it all comes that's right. all comes under this, but that's right. you know, i've, i've awakened in the middle the night more than once shouting, where's my gun, which just used to panic. my, my wife and tell us what you're, what you're doing to stay busy. now i know that you continue to testify as an expert witness all around the country. you right, you continue to speak and you have a radio show. how else can our viewers keep abreast of the work that you do? i michael levine, books dot com. excellent. as videos of it ill, it is you the everything about the book itself, it's really important if you're interested. a glitch, trial expert, that com least trial expert that com is my professional website. yes,

this is what i do now. i am deeply, deeply involved. my wife and i are writing another book. excellent. i know it, ellen will live long enough to finish all this things. i'm not sure what that is. okay. to what, what, what i want to say was when i was assigned to argentina, i was told to activate these special special action units as ac unit. the size happened to be serial killers. they were, they were, they were the ones offering all the argent time. they called, they gave her sushi dirty were what the 3 guys were, the guys that i was paid to have is my assets. and were some of the things that my job expose me too.

i can even talk about it. it's it you, i think you'll get it from reading the books. so you deep cover and the big white line. and as john pointed out, they both pess excruciating libel review. so then they are the real deal. and again, if you can yet, oh great. they like ocarina by aida levy suarez, she's a 1st hand witness to cie. people coming into her house while he was running cocaine across the world. and it is no wonder book was that translated to english. because this, this, the only thing wrong and her book is she thought i was the cia. oh my goodness. well, there's, i only regret that we have such a short period of time to talk. so i want to thank you,

michael levine for joining us today. and thanks to our viewers for tuning in substance abuse is of very real trap and a curse on our society. drugs are very much like an abusive lover, who treats you well at 1st and then beats you up apologize as treats you nicely for a little while longer and then beats you up again. the trap is hanging in there for the good while trying to overlook the bad that can never work. and we're fortunate to have people like mike levine and the officers nations of the da trying to protect us. i'm john kerry aku. and this has been the whistleblowers, we'll see you next time. i rick sanchez. and i am here to plead with you whatever you do,

you do not watch my your show seriously by watch something that so different opinions that you won't get anywhere else. look of it please. if you have the state department, the cia weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your facts for you. go ahead. i change and whatever you do. don't watch my show, stay mainstream, because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change she dwayne, think ah, [000:00:00;00] with

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