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court on the 30th of april, the bank to fight the elections. my body will sweep them because in horror, been bullied by bodies boys to win to cause majority by august on. hence, they're wanting to get rid of me out of the 37 by elections in the last few months . my body has swept 30 all them. so you know, you know, the reason you asked me in the beginning how real is a threat. the tread israel undulations because they're wanting that if the election stake base i come back into ball there would be held accountable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as p t i, leader, if our chaudhry says in the indian papers actually caught up in the story of us, that you are going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on a process for new elections? and does that make any difference as regards yourself because your band from going for these elections by pakistani authorities?
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well, i'm not bad at all, but there are 443 cases against me filed by the government. under 43, it must be some ward recall. i remember i have been in the public eye for the last 50 years. i'm the most well known august sunny in our history. and people know me. i have never broken any law. and suddenly, in the last few months, it drank to ruby from the lation, raise them $543.00 cases so far, which start from last me to sedition do there is a most of them are terrorism, will support is in the peace movement in say, nature country say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and anthony blinking. but what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments when you a p. m, between 201820? 22. what. what about those judges is $75.00 on history. the law says that
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when a head of state law, any one and bala ministers, all army generals, anyone when they receive gifts, then the law says that you bear a certain amount of do those state. it used to be 20 percent, and my diamond was 50 percent when you paid 50 percent the guess for your us to do whatever you want. but guess you did not claim walk in and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. and i'm waiting for this job. this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out and people would find out the only head austin, possibly the only hosted who went by the book who declared everything and who made did everything legal is sitting here? well, of course, some i'd say that you appointed people when you were prime minister,
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that i don't know whether you think they were part of a conspiracy, a former spokesperson n, a d mouth. so john white is he saying things like i was impressed by a emron cons. anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo, but then saw that welcome publicly talked about the poor. privately. he surrounded himself with wealthy investors. what, what do you make of that in others? are that you, you appointed? i mean, you, you appointed people that now criticize you. this guy came from one of the party joined me before 2000 elections. and then he lost the elections. and so as a consolation, i gave him some advice issue and then he went back to the party to the body game from when he, when you go back, what are you going to say? why, why did you leave your body? you know, why are you back? what else is you going to say? i'm really disappointed. i thought this was this. i mean, you know, these are politicians. what are they going to say?
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remember, the only government that has been removed and i, history and not sure who took her up. she was my government. when my government was removed, in 17 years, we had the best economic performance and that's documented in economics avail. august on an annual report published on the economy published by this government. so it has the best economic reg bought in 70 years and was not removed on corruption. obviously that severe be disputed by the opposition you tweeted on sunday. fascism is at unprecedented levels under the premiership of your successor . noah's sheriff's brother shabazz, i'm just heading through the ios, i boss nadeem and u. z, a fascist. and what is the role of the military here because to have fascism, you need a strong military. are you saying that there are others beside the prime minister, the new prime minister that are part of fascism in modern day pakistan?
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never in a democratic government and have a fundamental rights of the citizens, a democratic rights? never the freedom of speech. never has it been so much at stake, right? as right now, i mean, all these rights have disappeared, but his son is passing through the worst human right catastrophe in a democratic history. yes. in some military dictatorships, there was probably similar circumstances, but in general, my sheriff's dictatorship and was liberal compared to what we are going to right now. well that's, that's obviously quite a crisis statement. have you had any or any contact with us authorities because the optics of your overthrow were that you were with vladimir putin as the response by russia to nature provocation as russia. so it had happened in don bass, and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand,
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you have tempered your initial charges that washington was, or the sole conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my government was removed. so just to give you a, he was exactly what happened, a cipher which is a, which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was regarding a conversation in terms that it was there were no takers on both sides. so it was an official meeting. this is donald lou, right. dot anthony blinking sir. diplomat. yeah. so that, oh gosh. one which is called the cypress secret correspondence. arrived at the foreign office and at my desk. no, what did it say? daughter louis telling the budget sonny investor that if you do not remove him,
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ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence, there will be consequences of by august on the next. it is a vote of no confidence against a government that has the best economic performance in 70 years. as you know of as you know now shes sharif is saying they have a leak already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use as one can understand you wanting to use it after all as a conversation, which was state by the secret agencies and then the doctor did, you know, you know, now if you, if, if, if that dave, your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence. you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape, but so,
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so not when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then there were, you know, you can easy doctorate. but the point is, i mean that cipher public i and michael i of course, a good polish of what was it, a of the the exactly correspondence because it's a secret goal. but we put that cipher in front of our a cabinet us national security council by his son officially demolish the u. s. y, interfering and, and internal affairs. so that is the cipher. but later on we discovered it with what you were referring to. we discovered that it was our own army chief who was campaign against b, who was a min architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him an air? no, no, i'm talking about general budge wise, the ex army chief. ok. he was conspiring, he was getting beat us. he had high to lobby score. lasana,
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connie on up here on my going to payroll, who was rolling against b. washington during the americans. i look in ron, when do rush on is on a gordon as if the whole of foreign office all, all the stakeholders were not on board and that was in the cipher today. and he campaign that iran is at the american and general america. and so devil, now we just go and then they look, boys in against the big light above good relationship with the trump administration . former prime minister, i'll stop you. the more from the 22nd prime minister pockets on the chimney, the p t. i m on con after this break. ah ah, ah, the bees full fish turn brought western word order. and
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a bit of you wish you would that word order is now or you are seen in you. 3 is the lock desk, but by d americans. and if you will, west a lead, try with the being that order is a more heat in order that has no relation with ah, but terribly. and that of course we use and i made it fail him, but i he knew chaslek if all knowledge was for more of me and cocaine. so i cleared him of a crowded the hi eva c a r c. i was, i was just letting connecticut or you can throw it up here,
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but i keep calling you about a possible bill. now, the key, for example, pres watson is indeed a box. you open up, would you send me about a fire that key? your panel for cold? and i guess i'm a do not need the inside until a genia. i don't call my bad plastic currency to deal with the game, reviled immanuel good. come close to dick is off, but i was on the way to go to waste oil by salvage in your cheerio. i was on the money saw van capital children i spoke with lucy shantrel. very few assuming in the modern wishful
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thinking. ah, and i to business in history with should be another boss with you. i british need them. good. i did. miss stewart with key at the win washington's keep the process is to do let molly complete the cranes join us a little bit. it was put in a minute and it was for the day of classes to phone. it's in the hall. could i use it? did you deal with what she used to proceed? professional lithium to walk you prevalent zavala, but yet what they used to level the diesel ah ah, welcome back to going undergrad,
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i'm still here with overthrown back. it's sunny by minister m ron con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations about the fact you were threatened by consequences. as appearing in that cipher or code, the biden spokesperson k bedingfield is on the record, the saying, there's absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we were involved in a regime, jane and bugs on. obviously they were denied, but the factors, the cipher was the ocean conversation between our ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me. and the exact words were that you should get out of your prime minister in a board of, nor gone. and surprisingly, the next day,
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there was a lot of new confidence. well, let's go to the economy then, because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back in power in pakistan of the of asset budget con, already been in bay. jing of china giving pakistan $500000000.00 to facilitate it. seems a loans possible 1200000000 dollars from the u e, where i'm talking to, from the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in, or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position? you see from what i can get. i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries. so i can see why that order reacting, but i can assume the what is happening is the countries outside august on
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financial institutions outside august on and all the businesses will focused on have lost faith in the us government. and why the last way? because the economy has been so badly managed that we are wanting to the worst economic crisis in our history. so our, our currency is plunged. our growth rate has gone down ah, exports, you know, where creation, how do you get? well, but producing by exporting, well all you did i want to give is to facilitate the i am floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif, is saying you're derailing your own i m f program. if you are prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries the
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whole object of getting an i'm as lawn is a bridging lawn until you make your structure changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just a breathing long for you to get on your feet, but you know, that's not what the i m. f does to mobile subculture. no, i know that's not what the i m f does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what will be trying to do, and i just give you an example of what we were trying to do. raise your revenues, so exports remittances raise the number of donors coming in because i am, it only comes in when you have a shortage of dollars or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is what happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is then when you are exposed to go start going down. when your remittance has started going down, in other words, you're going to income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you go unless you grid,
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where are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we've got to stuck in right now. we have all these loans accumulating. we are boring money, which is why the other countries are $11.00. but i capacity to pay back is being reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you harm? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief general. my job since then has been brought up by the suffrage. but they're 12 party scholarship, which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoys. they're all over the place. if the service been withdrew support from his government, if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the establishment keeping them together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment, there is so much political uncertainty, no one just the government,
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the only way forward. a free and fair elections allow government government, which is bumbling, mandate. the confidence of the people that is a government then which can start restructuring the economy, making difficult. joyce's, you know, difficult decisions and, and only a government public mandate can get us out of this mess. and many say that you are the most popular politician in pakistan. you obviously won the majority of the votes in 2018, but you also know the history of assassinations of pakistani lead is he still refusing personal? what he gods? i was the assassination of them when i was extremely lucky to be alive. this young man, when he saw him draw her gun just by the 30 feet where feet away from me. had he not, has put his hand on the gun, it would have it be on the dog body and other people because he put his hand on the
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gum in the last minute. it had my legs and other people blood. that was it. i'm going to shoot in the front, so, but it's in the legs, man, i went down and then a bullet from the shooter in front window, the head. since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a blue screen and i am taking precautions because the guy who planned these as a nation all in power laws who are supposed to defend me, are the ones i am in the greatest danger from. they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the am your children's uncle is the you a you came in is to for overseas territory is not gold. now, lord goldsmith, he, it's been on this show. why no. why nothing from him? you know, the problems in pakistan have to be solved by the people by august on harvey. am i
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going to ask other countries? look, i was, i was asked, he's no, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to as you know, nature governments have a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all, i'm one of them. you know, countries abroad to talk about other the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now in my country. we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country. glam known on media agenda has been put into jail. one of our best investigative journalists are chetry, founded out in kenya, assassinated, or a hot dog dentist had left the country and who killed i, shad? sure, if you believe it was a that im and you the boss of the i a saudi. i believe it was the same guy that tried to kill me. they would deny that, but you don't have that. the evidence asserted. well, this is, this is
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a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course, for those who don't know him, so unless you have a proper investigation, how can you find the bruce? and when the investigation was going on, in my case they came and savage, i dont bruce this gum and then destroy all the all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee this. this is completely minister reader. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation mazili same as with a journalist or chetry his his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now i know out influence of con, local p t i, leader in the have alien, has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed or would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret service is in pakistan, which you, you after will lead luckiest on these structures. were there on the or leadership?
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good look, we have an august on, we have a history. we gave the starter of the security state. we had this big fear of never 7 times our size, which we had ado dykus 3 wars against them. so they will usually the gun do naturally would have a fear that it by so not exist. and you know, because the naval was so huge and therefore it started off as a security state. and then whenever the politicians, most of the army came in and, and both marcia laws, we had 3 much laws out of the last 60 years. ah, we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still evolving. it still hasn't evolved properly. and we had just let me just compare. we had the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again,
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to us more into the security stay for the agencies that the intelligence agencies play the huge order. so we are now trying to have more of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment is only librium at the moment. in this case of this government, it is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing there is a consensus in by august on it is on nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees us security. so there is a consensus across body line. everyone, everyone focused on believes that we must keep them secure there. and can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they are in control of the nuclear weapons. no problems, but with the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where
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the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear since i'm concerned there is a consensus august on that we need to look after them and get them secure. but that because that ensures our security and safety, well, as your family are attacked, as your recovering from being shot says, you're under threat of assassination. how is it to view she, gen, ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding, almost a new well daughter which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that, that we've seen since 1945. i see, you know, great changes taking place. i mean, of course, of china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing countries into blocks in their home. john,
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i brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best developments as far as body side is concerned, because iran is a never and saudi arabia is one of our closest friends for years. so them together eases tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step forward. but what i do not want these blocks developing countries like us, you choose either one side or the other because india has, i mustn't mind yes for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born, warren countries, when rocks, india sort of standards in the making itself a country which is non aligned and, and their voice intent relationship with everyone. and that's what i want my son to be. we don't want to be like we were in the cold water, were lined up with a u. s. and therefore we cannot have relationship with the entire central ation blog which was with, with the soviet union. so now i would really like, for,
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from my son's point of view, we, you know, we need to have trade trade with her on train with central asia right up to russia because thus, these are our neighbors in china, of course. and one day i hope that we have read with india and we have a proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword. well just very, very briefly. if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged? you is subjected to by the bible administration, would he be overthrown if he wanted to be not aligned? well, bravo, bunch of, i assure you, said his brother and officer doughty is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on, and western capital properties. they've got their brochure, a guns, and what is not just bug sunny, bought a dish loose dashed, money laundering from the countries and do a western capital and offshore accounts. this is the problem with the most of
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developing world. and the moment, the leadership as money outside this country and the sort of billions of dollars, i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions. you know, they have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people. well, of course, all this politicians deny any wrong doing. they're all welcome to come on the show are prime minister american. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. meanwhile, you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch on or going other grantee on rumble dot com to watch new. and all that fits of going underground see on monday. ah ah ah ah
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ah, her, a unrest across the global financial system continues. as the largest german bank loses 20 percent of its value in less than a month. that's after several us banks crash, resulting in 2008 style bailout divided administration blew up the north st pipeline to gain control over western europe, especially germany. that's according to investigative journalist, seymour hersh pipeline that, that shows control full of gas and windows coming up. now he was going to open up the pipeline and make it do its job is to transfer even gonna make the people warm make the businesses happy. and so we didn't give him that.
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