with attempts made to arrest and assassinate him, we must tell you that if you're watching this broadcast on saturday, this episode was filmed on wednesday, the 22nd of march, 2023, former prime minister, and chair of the pakistan to re kay in south party. in oregon joins me now from law . capital of fungi, province in pakistan. thank you so much. i am on for coming on the show. it's been so long since i interviewed you lost in, in london. when you wanted to be prime minister since then, you've been overthrown, you've been shot and injured. your family has been targeted. our real law, the assassination plot against you. right now as we speak. b as a solution. lot sir. unfortunately, i rail the dent on me when i was very lucky, i'm lucky to be alive when she put it in my legs. i was wanting for almost 2 months before the attempt. i give the exact manner in which they were gonna try.

and as i said it be another to blame it on a religious fanatic, but it was all done by a people in the prime minister. they minister and one senior intelligence agency guy, and they had planned this murder nation. and i was lucky to be alive, and unfortunately they're still in a position of power. and so therefore, even though the investigation started, but this got really messed ation because it was pointing in the direction of a proper conspiracy along the lines which i had predicted. and therefore they just they said, what does the investigation? so try to israel because these people are sitting and bala, the petrified. but if i wouldn't the elections there would be in trouble. well headed accountable. so they have been doing since then, which i will say by the almighty,

just in the nickel dime they had to do. but be on 11 on saturday, there was a problem. did i almost walked into the dentist drug and the time i got back because they had planned, you know, getting me them. and then i discovered that they were going to do another action against me on wednesday, they were going to do this action where my supporters were there and they were planting people in my supporters would fight the police and the police in their delegation would have given my support that eventually come off to me. so i mean there is a difficult time in august because we have a government which is addressed. we have a government which get on the when you get on a goal, but they could make situation in the country, which is we're passing through the worst crisis in our history. the was governance system and history. and then we have people who are petrified of elections. so the

elections on the 2 men problems that have been announced by the supreme court. on the 30th of april, the petrified elections. my body will sweep them because in order been bullied by bodies boys who wouldn't do the majority of august on hence then one thing to get rid of be out of the 37 by elections in the last few months. my body has to deal. so you know, you, the reason you asked me in the beginning how rid of the thread, the thread is ran until the elections because they want that if the election stick come back into power, they will be held accountable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as b t i lead father george says in the indian papers actually called up the story of us? did you all going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on a process when you elections? and does that make any difference as regard yourself? because because you're banned from going for these elections by pakistani

authorities. well, i'm not bad at all. but 443 cases against me, 5 by the government. under 43, it must be some water. i call them. i remember i have been in the public for the last 50 years. i'm the most well known buckets in history. and people who know me, i have never broken any law. and suddenly in the last few months, in trying to remove be from the election, raise them $543.00. get the ball which start from last me to sedition to there is a most of them are terrorism, will support is in the peace movement in say, nature country say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and antony blinking. but what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments? when you a p. m. between 201820?

22. what do you? what about those charges in $73.00. as of august on history, the law says that when a head of state law, anyone and bower, ministers, all army generals, only one when they receive gifts, then the law says that you bear a certain amount or do those state. it used to be 20 percent. and my diamond was 50 percent when you paid 50 percent, the guests were yours to do whatever you want. but guess you did not claim walks in and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. i and i'm waiting for, does this job, this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out in the people who would find out the only had austin possibly the only hosted who went by the book who declared everything and who made did everything legal is sitting here?

well, of course, some i'd say that you appointed people when you were a prime minister, that i don't know whether you think they were part of a conspiracy for a spokesperson and edema. so john white is he saying things like i was impressed by a emron cons. anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo, but then saw that welcome publicly talked about the poor. privately. he surrounded himself with wealthy investors. well, what do you make of that? and others are that you, you appointed? when you, you appointed people that now criticize you. this guy came from one of the party, join me before 2000 elections. and then he lost the lessons. and so as a consolation, i gave him some advice issue. and then he went back to the party to the body game from so when he, when you go back, what are you going to say? why, why did you leave your body? you know, why are you back?

what else is he going to say? i am really disappointed. i thought this was this, i mean, you know, these are politicians. what are they going to say? remember, the only government that has been removed in our history and not room for corruption was my government. when my government was removed, in 17 years, we had the best economic performance. and that's documented in economics avail, focused on an annual report published on the economy published by this government. so it has the best economic record in 70 years and was not removed on corruption. obviously that severe be disputed by the opposition you tweeted on sunday. fascism is at unprecedented levels under the premiership of your successor, noel, straits brother chavez. i'm does that include the ios, i boss nadeem and u. z, a fascist. and what is the role of the military here because to have fascism, you need a strong military. are you saying that there are others beside the prime minister,

the new prime minister that are part of fascism in modern day pakistan? never in a democratic government have all funded mental rights of the citizens. are democratic rights. never freedom of speech. never hasn't been so much at stake, right? as right now, i mean, all these rights have disappeared, but his son is passing through the worst human right catastrophe in a democratic history. yes. in some military dictatorships there was probably similar circumstances. but in general, my sheriff's dictatorship and was liberal compared to what we are going to right now. well that's, that's obviously quite a, quite his statement. have you had any or any contact with us authorities because the optics of your overthrow were that you with flooded me a putin as the response by russia to nature provocation as russia. so it

happened in don bass, and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand, you have tempered your initial charges. that washington was the sole conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my government was removed. so just to give you a, he was exactly what happened, a cipher which is a, which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington. with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was a recorded a conversation and done that. it was, there were no takers on both sides. it was an official meeting. this is donald blue, right. dot antony blinking. diplomat: yeah. so dad got us foreigners were just going to cipher seeker correspondence. arrived at the foreign office and at my desk. no, what did it say?

daughter louis telling the biggest an investor that if you do not remove him, ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence, there will be consequences of august on the next. it is a voter. no conferencing is a government that had the best economic performance in 70 years. as you know, as you know now shes sharif is saying they have a leak to already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use is one can understand you wanting to use it. after all, it's a conversation which was state by the secret agencies. and then the doctor did, you know, you know, now if you, if, if, if the day of your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence,

you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape but so, so no. when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then they were easy. doctorate, but the point is, i mean that cipher public i and michael, of course, a good publish of what was it a of the the exactly correspondence because it's a secret goal. but we put that cipher in front of a cabinet us national security council by his son officially demolish the u. s. y, interfering and, and internal affairs. so that's the cipher. but later on we discovered it with what you would have for him to. we discovered that it was on army chief who was campaign against b, who was a min architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him an air? no, no, i'm talking about general budge wise,

the ex army chief. ok. he was conspiring, he was getting beat us. he had hired a lobby scholar, lasana connie on up here on my going to payroll, who was robbing against the washington building the americans. i look m ron went to rashawn is on a gotten as if the whole of foreign office. so all the stakeholders were not on board and that was in the cipher today. and he can pin that iran as anti american, and general america. and so therefore, now we discovered and they love boys in against the big light above and good relationship with the trump administration. former prime minister, i'll stop you the more from the 22nd prime minister pockets on chem to the p t. i. m on con, up to this break. ah ah, is full fish in broad western leg work order. and to be of you

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ah ah, welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with, overthrown by august. any by minister enron con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations, about the fact you were threatened by consequences, as are appearing in that cipher or code, or the biden spokesperson, kate bedingfield is on the record to saying there is absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we were involved in a regime jayden august on obviously they were denied, but the factors,

the cipher was the ocean conversation between ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me and the exact words were that you should get rid of your prime minister in a board of nor conferences. and surprisingly, the next day, there was a lot of new confidence. well, let's go to the economy then, because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back empower in pakistan of the of asset budget con, already been in beijing. china giving pakistan $500000000.00 to facilitate it seems a loans possible $1200000000.00 from the u. e. where i'm talking to you from the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position. you see from what i can get,

i mean, i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries . so i can see why there are reacting. but i can assume the what is happening is that countries outside bancwest on financial institutions outside pakistan and all the businesses will august on have lost faith in the us government. and why? and the last with, because the economy has been so badly managed that we are walking through the was take longer prices and i history. so our, our currency is plunged. our growth rate has gone down. ah, exports, you know, where to creation, how do you get? well, but producing by exporting, well all you did i want to give is to facilitate the i'm floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif is saying you're derailing your own i m f program. if you a prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again?

reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries oh, object of getting and i'm as ron is a bridging lawn until you make your structure changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just to bring lawn for you to get on your feet, but you know, that's not what the i m f does to global south country. now, i know that's not what the i m f does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what we'll be trying to do is give you an example of what we were trying to do. raise your revenues to exports. remittances. raise the number of donors coming in because i am if only guns in when you have a shortage of dollars or you're going to gun goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is what

happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is then when you are exposed to go start going down when your remittance to start going down. in other words, you're gonna income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you go, unless you grid, where are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we've got stuck in right now. we have all these loans accumulating, we are boring money, which is why the other countries are $11.00, but i capacity to pay back is being reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you hom? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief general module since then has been brought up by the stablish. but there are 12 bodies collision which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoyed there all over the place. if the establishment

withdrew support from his government. if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the stat richmond keeping them together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment, there is so much political uncertainty, no one just the government, the only way forward, a free and fair elections allow government government, which is public mandate. the confidence of the people that is a government then which can start restructuring the economy, making difficult joyce's, you know, difficult decisions and, and only a government public mandate can get us out of this mess. and many say that you are the most popular politician in pakistan. you obviously won the majority of the votes in 2018, but you also know the history of assassinations of pakistani leaders. he still refusing personal bodyguards. i was as the

assassination of them when i was extremely lucky to be alive. this young man, when he saw him draw a gun just by the 30 feet where feet away from me. had he not has put his hand on the gun, it would have it be on the dog body and other people because he put his hand on the gum and i lost it in my legs and other people. plus it was another shooter in the front. so, but it's in the legs, man, i went down and then a bullet from the shooter in front window, the head. since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a bullet proof screen, and i am taking precautions because the guy who planned these as a nation all in power laws were supposed to defend me, are the ones i am in the greatest danger from. they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the am your children's uncle is the u. k. minister for overseas territories?

not gold. now, lord goldsmith. he, it's been on this show. why? no. why nothing from him? look here, the problems in pakistan has to be solved by the people by gast, on hard, via my, who to ask other countries look and, you know, i was, i was asking, you know, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to. as you know, nature governments have a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all i wanted then, you know, countries abroad to talk about other the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now in my country. we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country, glam, known on media, jonas being put into jail. one of our best investigative journalists are chetry, founded out gillian kenia assassinated more of a top janice had left the country and who killed i, shad sharif. you believe it was

a nadeem and you the boss of the i a saudi. i believe it was the same guy that tried to kill me. they would deny that, but you don't have the, the evidence asserted. well, this is, this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in to by, of course, for those who don't know him. so unless you have a proper investigation, how can you find the bruce? and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and savage, i don't, the proofs this government is destroyed all the, all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee this. this is completely minister reader. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eating. same as with the journalists, are sure to read his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now? i know out influence of con, local p t i, leader in the have eliana has been killed this week. members of your party are

being killed or would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret services in pakistan which you you after will lead luckiest on these structures. were there on the or leadership a we have and budget on. we have a history, we gave the starter of the security state. we had this big fear of never 7 times our size, which we had ado dykus 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gundy naturally would have a fear that it, by so not exist, you know, because the naval was so huge and therefore it started off as a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and, and both marcia laws, we had 3 much laws out of the last 60 years. ah,

we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still in vol ring, it still hasn't of all property. and we had just let me just can be we had the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again, to us more into the security, stayed by the agencies as the intelligence agencies play the huge order. so we are now trying to have more of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment is going librium at the moment. in this case of this government is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing that is a consensus in by august on it is on nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees are security. so there is a consensus across body line everyone, everyone august on believes that we must keep them secure over there. and can you

just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they're in control of the nuclear weapons. no problems, but between the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear, since i'm concerned there is a consensus august on that we need to look after them and keep them secure by that . because that ensures our security and safety. well, as your family are attacked, as your recovering from being shot says, you're under threat of assassination. how is it to view she, gen ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding almost a new world order, which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that, that we've seen since 945. i see, you know, great change is taking place. i mean,

of course, in china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing countries into last in your home, just brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best developments as far as spotty sun is concerned, because iran is a neighbor and somebody is one of our closest friends for years. so them together eases tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step over him, but i do not want these blas developing countries like us. you choose either one side or the other because india has i must have mine. yes. for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born, warren countries, when rocks, india sort of standards in the making itself a country which is non aligned and, and their voice intent relationship. but everyone and that's what i want my son to

be. we don't want to be like we were in the cold water line, but with the u. s. and therefore we cannot have relationship with the entire centralization blog which was with, with the soviet union. so now i would really like, for, from my son's point of view, we, you know, we need to have trade trade with her on trade with central asia right up to russia because thus these are our neighbors and china, of course. and one day i hope that we have read with india and we have a proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword. well just very, very briefly. if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged? you is subjected to by the bible administration, would he be overthrown if he wanted to be not aligned? well brother and his brother and officer doughty is that they have billions of

dollars lying outside august on and western capital properties. they've got their garage sure. a guns and what it's not just bug a sunny, bought a dish loose dashed, money laundering from the countries and do a western capital. and offshore accounts is the problem with the most of developing world. and the moment the leadership, as money outside is going to be in the sort of billions of dollars. i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions. you know, they have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people. well, of course, all those politicians deny any wrong doing. they're all welcome to come on the show . show my prime minister, american. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. mean, well, you can keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch, i know going on the grantee on rumble dot com to watch new, and all that fits of going underground. see on monday a ah,

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