rending move and as it turned out, the cia was working against the d. e a for much of that time. tell us about that. well, i'm going to give you my personal experiences and as i would if i was testifying in court, i initiated a case while i was the c d. a station chief in when a site's and i didn't tina and the case was in to a member, the name of hubbard pope suarez roberto suarez subsequently was called the biggest drug dealer alive before secret session of congress. da, at that time, didn't even know it was when i got involved with suarez. i learned that he was dealing massive amounts of cocaine all over the world. he was literally controlling the flow of cocaine globally. as i started

reporting this to the drug enforcement administration, my 1st orders came down that i was to open my files to central intelligence. my. this meant that i opened this massive wall sized wall and they just came at their will with, from the station within the embassy and began to go through the files, the re berto suarez case began to make copies take them. there was nothing. i could say. i had been ordered by dee to open those files. so it's kind of ironic that after i retired from d e, again writing a i put a foyer request. let's see i for my, my files. anything that are under my name and it came back. we have not any see what i found out in working the roberta, worst case,

strange things started to happen to differentiate between deep cover and undercover . anybody who puts on a suit and carries a gun, pulls himself an undercover agent. a deep cover agent is the guy who goes into the enemy's church and seduces him literally out of his life. i, you in da collins. they have when you get on the radio, when you're at the coverage, you say i'm going in often those are the last words of that man. the undercover agents are the people who say outside and core, i quote, cover the deep cover man. it at which they really can't do it often. what happens is they do a batch job of covering the, the, the deep cover agent. you guys inside see them outside getting burned as you know

what that means. sure. they, they get burns and the agent dies. consequently, yes, you will, you will read about none of this in the newspaper. with the rebels, worst case, what began, how it began to manifest their presence in the case was da headquarters assigned us a plane that really couldn't do the mission. that is the mission in this particular case, it was the 1st time that was done was to fly a plane into the jungles of bolivia. pick up the 1st load of cocaine from roberto suarez and they're deliver them to the united states. the pilots came to me and this is all in my book, the big white light, which is think this so silly and the

the pilot came to me and said displaying is the wrong place. not only that, it's got an n number that was used to ferry bolivian police no a couple of years ago. but the, this is all in the book. and if you go through a book like level reading, you know that you go through a more stringent proof of what you put in then any, any case you would present and course, oh yes. was money, money money's involved. well, the we, and this is captured in the book, i told the guy so got to actually get on the plane and fly into the jungles and said, i wouldn't blame you. he didn't re, the bravest men i've ever known, said not whether they flew that plane into the jungles. picked up that load of cocaine and against everything that the drug enforcement administration and central

intelligence could do, made it back. and i thank god to this day. if people are seriously interested in c, i a's involvement, i'm a firsthand witness is a book. it's only in spanish. ok. they're like ok ina, the king of cocaine by either levy, suarez, she, she was present during his meetings this months. the drug dealer, with central intelligence, the control of him and his operation was manifested. yes. what along along those same lines, the cia has long been accused of either running drugs or of turning a blind eye while their sources and their cooperators run drugs. gary webb, for example, famously said years ago that the cia had allowed the contra rebels to bring massive

amounts of drugs into the united states. and after his reporting was criticized on the same day by the new york times in the washington post. he committed suicide by somehow being able to shoot himself multiple crimes has uria. as your experience been that this cia willingness to tie itself to some of the most notorious drug traffickers in the world. been a disservice to the united states. what, what is the fall out? been over the long term. do you think richie this service to the states, the air america? read anything you can about air america. a c, a proxy airline, which was flying literally flying a heroine heroines, precursors, of course, the golden triangle area. i. when i was, when i was transferred to da headquarters, i was charged with tracking the flow of the shan united on me at that time they

were trafficking heroin, right? across the jungles of cambodia. island to, to bank up to, you know, an air base in anti ran. and this was where we 1st as a z asia, i 1st me said words that they were, they were putting the drugs in the bodies of g ice being sent back from vietnam. my god, it was this, this was the herman jackson investigation, right. it was my, it was my investigation. oh, it was the only one, the, the investigation you see in the movies, where they're flying drugs in the core fans, et cetera. that was, i mean, it was really bo, hey, it's a matter of fact along with a couple of other

d agents who were all corrupt and what not we. we started a lawsuit against the film company, which if you have a trust sewer film company that you were law firms, that's right. oh, yeah, yeah. i mean, the question is this. see, i get involved with drugs every way possible. every way they use it. yeah. they use is political, so we're going to take a short break. we're speaking with legendary drug enforcement administration officer michael levine. we're going to take that short break and continue the conversation. stay with us. we'll be right back. 2 2 2 ah, with every spring and summer,

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1st. and this is our country being part of that movement. i got your sense of power . when i felt powerless, we got attention when i felt invisible and accepted when i talked to level life after hey, is an organization that was founded by 4 o skinhead, neo nazi white supremacists in the u. s. in canada. and they found each other and they knew that they wanted to help other guys get out was 2 parts to getting out of a violent extreme was the 1st part of disengagement which is where you leave the social group. and then the next part is d. radicalization we're belief systems audiology are removed. it was very impactful when someone finally came along with no fear, no judgement. you heard my story did nothing to challenge it. validate. welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry,

aka. we're talking about the antagonistic relationship over drugs and drug trafficking between the cia and the drug enforcement administration, or d, e a, and were joined by one of the most highly respected drug enforcement professionals in american history. that's michael levine. thanks again for being with us. thank you, john giving me a chance. this is so much cheaper than a psych ha i i'd be interested to know about your bureaucratic experiences with the cia over the years. certainly you've gone head to head with the agency on these issues. what was that like and what kind of administrative and perhaps political support did you receive if any? well, i once asked when i was in, when i was stationed at the embassy in argentina, i once asked them for the lens of

a listening device. they, they give me and i tried a few times tamra listening to vice. nothing you get got nothing from the cia, not that that's so, so very important. but they had all of this going on in the american press about how the cia is now involved in the drug war. and you had all these international d, e, v, cover agents, all laughing and say, well yeah, they are. i think we that what i want to impress on that impress it. i want you all to know the audience to know to that i right now function as a trial consultant, an expert witness. you could see my boner 5 east on police trial expert dot com. it will tell you the kind and the level of cases in which i am now testifying

. and if i said anything that could be used against me on a witness stand, they'd grab it from this, but there's nothing that i'm saying that's not so well documented that we can, we can open up a separate court case or it. and it's a really important for the audience to understand that. and other than that, let it rip, i'm again, really happy to be really happy to be a john on thank you. one of the accusations that you made against the cia, and i have to tell you, i believe every word of it was that it negatively in food influenced a very important da operation. you said that the cia was instrumental in the creation of something called the called lock core to put, i see on it's a, it was a bolivian drug cartel which you, what's called the general motors of cocaine. can you tell us about that? yes, it's again, it's in the book,

the be quite like that story. if i live long enough, i should write a whole other, you know, dating. but it, it's all the, the general motors of coaching a colon, the general motors of cocaine. because at the time the cia was doing its best to destroy d e 's case against roberto suarez, he, he was it, it was everywhere i. he was putting together cocaine, manufacturing, cocaine organizations, cocaine trafficking roots all over the globe at this point. i think that's why i called the general they were the general motors cocaine, particularly at a time when america we, when you or you saw in the newspapers was press about the scourge of cocaine. right . what it's doing president was saying, is she worse than any kind of, of a, an attack by an enemy?

it's the worst thing that our country was facing. is the number one enemy and this central intelligence with their asset putting together a the only way to quote is the general motors of cocaine. there was, there were globally influencing trafficking that was trafficking just so general motors in like each feel is the only, she only the only metaphor the only alan. and that analogy i could come up with at the time that was the jap you've written, you've written several highly acclaimed books. and like all of us involved in national security, you had to have those books cleared by the da. they cleared all of them. and the books still had explosive new information in them. in one, you alleged that reagan era attorney general ed meese who's actually still walking around washington, you run into him every once awhile he had blown the cover of

a da undercover team that had penetrated the office of the president of mexico and in 2011 bolivian president evo morales held up a copy of one of your books for the press and used it as justification to throw da out of the country. in fact, if yes, if he had read the book, he would have kept it the da in the country and he would have thrown the cia out of the country. tell us about those incidents. exactly. it was a shock to me. actually. i started writing that book. nobody was watching, you know, i thought was wrong with the speed the my entire career. i had been under investigation from day one, investigation continued to years after, but yet nobody was aware of what i was doing. i don't know how that happened. john, you could probably explain that better than me because he's just not that smart.

i'm with the fact bureaucrats. most of the bureaucrats. i met a just really not that smart. they come from a class of people that all they seem to think about is the wrong self aggrandizement, right? our. and if you feed them, you know, i was very good at the cover. what, because i knew i know how to seduce people. i knew how to seduce very bad guys. me . well, it's almost the same logic when you're dealing with a bureaucratic you yours? oh, yeah, yeah. so, yes. can you explain me? i can't, i really can't explain me. i'm just incredibly lucky. or they weren't watching the saw the right. what else? yeah. well, what else can you say about that? you know, i think when aldrich ames was a c i, agent,

and 7 years of that time he spent a working for working for the k g b, right? when they finally on him, when they put him, they put him in charge of cocaine. well, of the, the drug desk see where you don't have to even even think about a age. and so just like talking to you because i like you sit privately with you and so i love it, i'd love it. and you know what? let me, let me add something to your, to your thought there. i see a psychiatrist once told me that the cia actively seeks to hire people who have what he called sociopathic tendencies. not sociopaths, because sociopaths are impossible to control. but the problem is, if you're a sociopath, you have no conscience. and so you blow right through the polygraph exam. and so while the see, i says that it doesn't want sociopaths. in fact, the place is full of sociopaths. and that's how they get themselves into these

predicaments. yeah, he, having a conscience is like drinking lank around in that world. that's right. your world. you can't, you just can't. you're exactly right. that's exactly what it is. i can't tow some of the things, you know, muscle, a veteran. and i, i, i am getting p t s d care for the veterans administration, right. who considered, who considered my experiences as his iep cover agent? what traumatic did bender, military experiences and oh, i believe that in their logic they say what you are serving your country so you know, it all comes that's right. all comes under this, but that's right. you know, i've, i've awakened in the middle the night more than once shouting,

where's my gun? which just piece to panic. my, my wife and tell us what you're, what you're doing to stay busy. now i know that you continue to testify as an expert witness all around the country. you right, you continue to speak and you have a radio show. how else can our viewers keep abreast of the work that you do? i'm michael levine. books dot com. excellent. as fios of ill, it is you the everything about the book. so it's really important if you're interested a police trial expert that com lease trial expert that com is my professional website. yes, this is what i do now. i'm deeply, deeply involved. my wife and i are writing another book. excellent. i didn't know if hell i'm going to live long enough to finish all this things. i'm not sure what that is. okay. to what, what,

what i want to say was why i was assigned to argentina. i was told to activate these specials, special action units, assisi unit least i happened to be serial chose ha. ready they were, they were, they were the ones offering all the argent time. they, they gave her sushi, i, the dirty were what the 3 guys were, the guys that i was paid to. i have is my essence in when some of the things that my job expose me too. i can even talk about this you. i think you'll get it from reading the book. so you deep cover and that big white line. and as john pointed out,

it both past excruciating libel review. so then they are the real deal. and again, if you can yet, oh, great de la copa hiena by aida levy suarez, she's a 1st hand witness to cie. people coming into her house while he was running cocaine across the world. and it is no wonder to poke, was that translated to english because this, this, the only thing wrong in her book is she thought i was a cia. oh, my goodness. well, there's, i only regret that we have such a short period of time to talk. so i want to thank you, michael levine for joining us today. and thanks to our viewers for tuning in substance abuse is a very real trap and a curse. our society drugs are very much like an abusive lover, who treats you well at 1st and then beats you up apologize as treats you nicely for

a little while longer and then beats you up again. the trap is hanging in there for the good while trying to overlook the bad that can never work. and we're fortunate to have people like mike levine and the officers and agents of the da trying to protect us. i'm john kerry aku. and this has been the whistleblowers, we'll see you next time. awe every spring and summer, the melting optic snow reveals abandon machinery, millions of rusty barrels, and the detritus left by human expansion into this most inaccessible of territories . yep. and you have to move, so take up

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