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we sent this newscast with a name, seymour hersh. the reporter who wrote the very detailed story of how the caea, under the direction of the, by the administration blew up the north stream pipelines. he has a new article out. it's called the cover up. and tonight, he's going to join us to talk about his latest reporting. by the way, this new article by seymour hersh, which you can read for yourself on sub stack. and you should, could easily be called the cover story instead of the cover up because it seems to reveal how our government had to come up with or plant a cover story. to compete with the one written by mr. hersh originally to explain who blew up the pipe. let's. interestingly enough, that covers story is now being widely disseminated or spiegel in germany, the new york times. and it goes something like this. the people who blew up the

pipeline have nothing to do with the cia. it's a rogue team of saba tours who are pro ukrainian, but they don't represent the ukrainian government. now at this point i want to add something on a bit of a personal note. i like to jog with the new york times podcast. try to do it daily . in fact, it's called daily. so recently i was listening and i heard one of the guys who wrote the story, this new story in the new york times, same people who ignored the previous story, presented by mister hurt. suddenly he's asked while i'm listening to him on this podcast, why he's reporting that these saboteurs did it and how he sure that the see, i didn't do it. his answer to my absolutely, it started from it was live because he asked his us intel sources and they say they didn't do it. now i should add the times is not the only news entity that ignored the blockbuster. see more her story, cnn, and the rest of the cable ers did the same thing. in fact, there was

a time when cnn would have wanted to know more about mr. hurst his story, and they would have interviewed him. i know, because i was part of that cnn. i interviewed mr. hersch on several occasions at cnn. apparently they don't do that anymore. let me show you something if see, and i did want a reason to look into whether our government had something to do with the destruction of the north stream pipelines. all they really had to do was go into their own coverage coverage of mr. biden saying this, if russian vase that means tanks or troops crossing the on the border of ukraine again, then there will be we, there will be no longer a nor stream to we will bring it into it. but how will you, how will you do that? exactly. since the project in control of the project is within germany's control,

we will, i promise you will be able, do he got all of the smoker. that was after. according to mister hirsch's reporting, mister biden had already been involved in meetings on how possibly they would destroy the pipelines. by the way, you got to love just the way he presented. right? and then one final thing about why the, her story should probably not have been ignored. and this is important because i know many of you are watching us from all over the world. probably millions and millions and millions of you. and maybe you're not familiar with mr. hurst, maybe you're not familiar with mr. hurst his work. so let me add something. seymour hirsch's journalistically speaking a legend. and this may sound almost weird because it doesn't happen any more. it seems like it doesn't happen any more or less. but reporters are supposed to question their governments leaders not to p r for them. in fact, they're supposed to have an adversarial relationship with them. that's what we're

actually trott when we, when we study the stuff in journalism school, have an adversarial relationship. sy hersh a petima epitomizes that type of journalism. mean, this guy broke the meal i massacre story exposing lies on our military told which helped to bring an end of the vietnam war. he broke the abu ghraib story exposing the futility of the iraq war. he was in the pentagon papers of the watergate, henry kissinger syria said i could go on. in fact, in large measure the story matters. i mean, i'd say this story matters. i have to say this because of sy hersh. and yet journalistically speaking, the guys kind of a legend and he's also good enough to join us now to talk about some of his a latest reporting side. thanks so much for being with us. you better tell everybody. we're not brothers in law. pretty overwhelmed. deduction. yeah, you have to be for the class of people who believe in journalism, which doesn't seem to be the class that exists. i think in all fairness,

chum scared the hell out of and most of the, most of them, most of the, the more or less straight for favor just terrified by it. so they're back, you know, that's, that's just one reason. but you know, i, you said i worked for the new york times just 7 or 8 years and wrote all kinds of stories. and, and i would say of the $800.00 stories or whatever, maybe 5 percent had a source in it by name. most of them were written because you can't get people in the community. so the, the rap i me and this story was unnamed sources which is really tiresome. because you know, how could, and the fact a story, you mentioned that the, that the times wrote, or the, or decided disavowed what you even written that had 3 names, sources and it to, it's just so we're in a really funny stage of, it's a post trump stage there, i think the new york times and the washington post of liberal media and i would, i would include cnn and m. s. nbc. as opposed to fox news. i must say tucker

carlson and foxes reported what i wrote right away. right up front. yeah. but the other enters and, you know, they just did not and asked me if to said it or the house have done anything about the democratic senate, chuck schumer, thou speaker, the idea that they would ask for an investigation into a democratic president. we've come a long way wrong in the last 3 for the 2nd. let's go, let's go to this latest story and i would love to know what you think from your own experiential standpoint of why the united states seems to have. and i'll use this word and you tell me if it's over used in this case, invented or planted this most recent story. why are they doing this? because they, the, the united states knows who did it. they know the president did it. you know, another way of asking this question that no reporter is asking to press conference, the, the that we blow up the pipeline and pipe and biden's. okay. a group of ca,

officers and other agencies are put together. and really this year, last year, a year ago at this time and they did the, they did the hard work in norway. i've written about that. but so after, you know, all you have to do get is to ask if you are in the white house press corps, said the president or to the press secretary, one day, have you guys ever done as the president of or tasks? that's the word they use in the military and the intelligence community, the white house, they're going to test them to do all sorts study of who did the bomb, blew it up. and you know, we have incredible intelligence. we have signals intelligence, we have assets, we have most of the countries in europe work with us. we could have, we could have had an answer that, sorry, you know, in a few days. but of course nobody's asked and the white house is not going to do it because they know who did. why asked to do it, why have it on the record?

so it's all and the story is falling apart and there's pressure. what happened? so, so very few of us seem to want to cover this story. and when i read the story that you wrote, it's a fascinating story. and what i find best about the story is it's very detailed. you have conversations, meetings, dates, etc, etc. it's hard to question that, and yet it seems to be taking a long time for people to say, oh my god, we did it again. our government or cia did something we probably should have done at the, at the order of the president. and in the story, i wrote the last sentence, if i remembered that this was the initial story written, i've been writing for subset for not that i didn't know much about, it's quite a, it's quite a medium. i think a to me and history story within 20 hours. that's because there's a lot of journalism that isn't being happen is going out right now. and there are many people and not just in america, this is that international thing. many people around the world understand that

they're not getting from the american press and the new york time, washington poster kind of report the mission, get particularly on the war. if you read the new york times, you would think that your mom is doing quite well. but it's, it's going to be this call and that doesn't mean how like, you know, this is, it started the 1st, the bloody is war. we've had in western europe since world war 2. and you can't, you could always fault him for that. it's not about that, it's about us, you know, and, and by the president's my explanation for what's going on is biting is, is these, he wants to be re elected again, he is on for command. we can see it. i mean, he's ok, but he's not in for command. he's tire is, is close to 80. and and there's a lot of problems in the countries not dealing with. and presidents always find that war is a big plus when you go to war, you get

a lot of points. you always are. bill clinton learned is in the worst days of his presidency once he started bombing a bomb guy rack. what 5 months into the presidency when he was in the great trouble because of his demand that the army accepts. don't ask, don't tell. remember he was being read judith credits. always. yeah. and he didn't have to say he did not have the guts to tell it the members of the joint chief, if you don't like my policy, give me your resignation, said he just waffled on. when he did a bombing in may, i remember i was at a ballpark, but my kid, there was announcer made anybody in the government go home. i was at and must have been a ball to go home. and so i knew something was up and then working for the new york . yeah. new yorker and the magazine. and the next day, sure enough they had bomb. baghdad killed 8 people. and the 1st time america had ever struck a major city in the middle east. the next day he goes to church, and sunday was a saturday that the bombing took place. he goes to church, and he's

a hero. the presser all over there, all over. every word that works are so biting, jumped on ukraine. he's going to support, but not just on ukraine. so i mean, this particular case that you write about, i mean we go to norway, we find divers, we'd take the ones here in my state, pensacola area, florida. we combine them, we send them on this mission. they go 260 feet underground. they plant essentially bombs, see 4 on concrete blow up these things. this whole story is, i don't know like something out of a double. 07 movie. and yet we're doing it thinking no one's going to find out. wish i could tell you one thing about the ca when it wants to do something down and dirty. they know how to keep it. they know how to keep it small. you know what i'm saying? yeah. the people who know very small and the president wasn't really getting briefed,

the director was the final point, the guys in the field. and the less that the white house knows the better because it's a talkative white house. and so the president knew they were ready to do it. that's why they buy so. so i was talking directly to the operational guys and that said, none of his chief of staff or the rest of those folks were really involved in this because they would have a late well that the fear was, you know, we happen to have a very unique bunch of guys are all very, very anti communist and they're yapping a lot and we have a secretary of state who was supposed to go to beijing to meet his counterpart. and he didn't go because of a balloon. you know, remember that he didn't go because of a balloon. i'm how are you kidding me? and we are very hostile to all thing. so communists were very hostile. the chinese, the language is very, the language is enough to provoke to hello everybody. and you know, we're in a situation now, we're not top dogs. what happened in the last couple of the last month? china cut

a deal with saudi arabia. sunni. yeah. and so need to go to iran and cut a deal for oil and energy right behind their back. and not only that, i'm told that i think it's probably going to happen soon. china, which buys about 20 to 25 percent of saudi arabia, norman, some oil, they put out, it's going to start paying again and not a dollar. and so what is saudi, what is the saudi arabia out of it? the iranians then cut back on their people. they support in yemen who tease and the war. and there really is so much to talk about more speaking with legendary investigative journalist seymour's side. do me a favor, stick around when we come back a little deeper dive into this conversation. this is after we come back from break, but before we go, i want to let you know i have a podcast, whereas the journalist of latino is an entrepreneur. i tell my story and i share some of the things i've learned. good bad, plenty of bad. it's called the rich podcast. i invite you to check it out. don't go

with the russian state narrative. i want to know some scheme again on the i have a disability on i used to fagel speaking with health homes with weaver van in the european union, the kremlin media machine restate on russia for date and split marquee sputnik given our video agency, roughly all band on youtube with

a, with a water back. i'm rick sanchez. we're talking with the investigative journalist, seymour hersh. but his recent work uncovering who was behind the north stream, pipelines, destruction and we return now, you know, sigh. i mentioned this a little while ago, but as i was reading your story, i was thinking, i would hope that we still have people within our own government. maybe people in the intelligence community who feel the need that the desire to speak out when they see some of the things that that, that we do that, that we ought to know about. that. our question i,

i imagine that is what led some of the people to talk to you. am i right, i'll put it another way because i don't like to talk specifically about anything, but after i did meal, i mean like, was a massacre we did. yeah. in the and i've been in the army my, i'm old enough that i had to go in the army compulsory and i know how to shoot an m one and you know, put together machine gun with my, my eyes blindfold. so i, i could imagine the army that i was in, in the early fifties, was an army capable of murdering 500 people in cold blood and not only murdering but raping the woman and then mutilating many of them really horrible stuff. and i can't imagine it and, and so when i did that story, almost anybody who had any sense in vietnam, the officers in particular they knew how bad it was. and so i'm, i was a voice for them. so over the next, you know, when i went on the right for the new yorker magazine and the new york times, etc,

the people come to me and our government for the people like this is not in the intelligence service in the state department. i mean, everywhere, when you take the oath of office in america, you have to do it every year at a certain offices do these guys. it's for them. it's not to the general or the admiral or the to the president is sort of constitution. and there are those people there and you know, if you're a 3rd, 3rd, a 3rd generation american or 4th generation who is, and sammy has been in war and been in combat for america. you go in there happily. and then you get rather than get disillusion, you do you do your job, but you do have, you do have a sense that there is that your, i just can't get into source, but you're, you're not wrong. and the idea that the people i talked to are people that want their job to be better, and i'll put it another way they want their president to make better choices. i don't think that i think that's fair enough. you right, well, you're right about

a course correction by the way that i was fascinated by. they had really originally planned to blow the things up within 48 hours. and then somehow there was some information sent to them saying no, apparently because we were doing military exercises just prior to that and seem like a whole world with no soon as a military exercise, then something blows up was. was that the reason and take me through that if you could. the whole idea was the problem was the difficulty of the emission and it was, by the way, what, what the intelligence community did. there was quite spectacular, even though that they, they didn't like the end, but they were given assignment, come up with an option. if you want to blow up the pipelines, you have to do it in such a way that we can't be blamed. right? and what they, what they wanted to do, the fear was that at some point, as a, as a war, ukrainian war against russia continued. and despite all the optimistic report, you get from my old newspaper the new york times where i work 7 or 8 years, it was

a great newspaper back then. i don't know why they're in this tack. they are now of just being sort of a, a play pen playboy for the, for the democrats in the white house, which they are enlarge. the war is by september when, when biden said, let's do it and gave the order. the war was certainly sold out. and we've put now $125120000000000.00 into that war. and western europe was being asked to give more and more. and the concern was, they could see in western europe. and in germany, what we want being told too much at this war was going nowhere so, so they were concerned if it blew up right after our ships or our military exercises that we were doing, there happened everybody was no, we weren't. all right. exactly right. about that they so the idea was the weight. but why you pick 3 months and 3 and a half months, the weight was the question. i wondered, why did you suddenly do it in late september?

because to get back to the point, the war wasn't going well. and even though the press was describing how you cream was really great, wonderful standing up. wish they were. i mean, they don't like russians anymore than america like so. the machines are different. yeah. she's a good piece. the government is, we're not talking about people we're targeting. but what happen is the, all the best guess i have the best guess the people who are involved in this were very disillusioned by it is he was afraid that europe was going to begin to walk away, particularly the germans, germans after world war 2 are not interested in a big military and they were being asked to produce more tanks and, and the, the pipeline that, that shows control full of gas and windows coming up. now, it happened to be a mile wood. there was a which is okay, but winter is coming up for europe and yeah, the was, he was going to open up the pipeline and make us do his job. it's chance or even gonna make the people warm make the businesses happy. and so we didn't give him that option. we took away the option by just the only explanation,

it makes sense to me. and other, a lot of other people involved is that he a blew up the pipeline whether schultz knew about it at the time or not is not clear. i don't know, but he's certainly afterwards is not been. he's not been part of the, the people screaming for an investigation. he's done it being a stop it. and so what western europe, we always had, western europe doesn't have gas and oil. we've always had western europe back. you know, we supported west and it's been a model of the marker. so what we did after world war 2 is we've really turned a lot of countries. jim, all the european countries and the model with this action, are we cy leaving them out in the cold quite literally, leaving them out in the garden? it's desperate there. now it's inflation like you've never seen they there trying to get by with l. n. g liquefied natural gas doesn't produce it. and it cost $34.00 times as much than want going to have enough gas to keep their people warm and not only in germany,

western europe that the russian gas is so much that germany was able to sell what they called downstream. they had companies sell the russian gas that we had too much of downstream to other companies. so all gone now in france right now, they're paying 5. some places are paying 5 times as much for electricity because they've always had gas, some ever from germany. turbines that produce electricity or run by gas out by coal, and they checked down some nuclear sites. they may be opened, but they shut them down because they were dangerous. i gotta ask you, i gotta ask you about the existential potential, like the central effect of something like this. i worry as an american look, i don't want world war 3. ok. i don't want to go to war with china. i don't want to go to go war with russia, but it scares me to think that my beloved country would be doing something like this, where we would destroy the infrastructure of another country, no less a country with more nuclear warheads than we have. and,

and the potential effect that could have, oftentimes, the 1st act in wars is the destruction of infrastructure. well, my god, if we did this as you report, that's exactly what this is. how worried should we be about this new kind of, you know, you're, you know, you're, you're, you're my, you're in my pitch man, and the stuff man, that's great, that's exactly what we're done. and i don't think biden thought through the consequences of the hatred of russia, the age of the communism, and they'll forget the war for him in the beginning. everybody was fort let's go show the commies. yeah. but does that work? well? the, the sanctions haven't worked. mcconnell's may be gone, but there still people sell in hamburgers there, and the country is not dying. it's e p, the people are living. i'm sure it's the economy's down a little bit. he's not getting the same money, but he's making do so here's, i'm sure you just made me think of something. do you think? if the american people knew that we did this rather than not knowing because they

watch cnn. and now miss mc and fox and read the new york times, and there's no way that they can know unless, you know, they're a very small minority. do you think of our people, if we americans knew what we did, we would hold it against our government. right? now we would call by the to question for it. i think it's, i, it's not happening now because they don't know really very much about it. there's been no press coverage. right. but you know, i'm, i'm a guy to one off my wife and i be hang up any prices anywhere. i got boxes. no, none of them in the house. i went awful lot of prices in my life and, and that's what i might do or we're the american enough to act on this type of information if we worked at no, i don't know. oh no. is that? oh i know is that the kind of the company does that mean the language that comes out of biking and it's secretary state blinking and is national security advisor

jake sullivan, who was a big push for expanding nato in his earlier life. and the under secretary of state victoria, a new car and sponsor in. i'm involved in the overthrow of a pro russia. and 8 years ago, 2014, i call that gain went blinking, blinking, blinking. and you know, as a child's work because they're all on the same page. so i mean isn't start screaming and yet, you know, what can i tell you? you're great. and i'm sorry to say we're out of time. we could, we can, i know i will say one more thing and you can cut it if you have to go ahead this, this summer and fall is going to be a disaster for your and it's going to be fond biden's head. and what do you want to do is to lock up a chance reelection or be re nominated? he's going to blow it. he's going to blow and it's not gonna happen. he's your word, your prediction, seymour hersh shop. legendary old world journalist, as we like to say, there may be a few of us left. thank you. thank you. sigh for joining us and sharing your wisdom

and your knowledge. just teach me how to think if i could pretty but because i haven't done it and that's what i want you to go by buddy. well, said we so appreciate it. before we go, i want to remind you our mission here. it's pretty simple. we kinda want to de silo the world. we've got to stop living in these little boxes truths. don't live in boxes, they're everywhere. i'm rick sanchez. i'll be looking for you again right here. where i hope to provide you with the directive back. ah ah ah. with

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