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i said this division that got to wait a moment. we can have a war with you or a member of the country. thanks for joining us. hey, our naughty international. as always in plenty more, the latest that day since discussion on documentary is on our website, auntie dot com will be back the top of the out with with . 2 2 2 it's not uncommon for different governmental elements to work against each other. bureaucratic fights are common to every government. but what happens when one governmental entities sole mission, is to stop the flow of drugs?

while a competing agency is one of the major facilitators of drugs. the result is chaos. ah, welcome to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry alco. one of my favorite television shows is called marco's, which has appeared for several years on the netflix streaming service. one of the things that's clear in that series, and it's based on true events, is that just as the drug enforcement administration or d e a is on the verge of successfully completing an operation to disrupt a major drug transaction, or to arrest a major drug kingpin the operation goes bad, the bad guy gets away, and a senior cia officer pops up in the scene. i know from my experience of 15 years in the c i, that the scenario was completely true and accurate. the da's mission is to stop the flow of drugs into the united states and to prosecute those people who are

responsible. the c i. a's mission is essentially to do whatever it wants with little or no oversight. the cia has long been obsessed with communism. and beyond that, with terrorism, if drug king pins are willing to identify communist and alleged terrorists than the c, i is willing to cast a slot with the drug king pins. and the d e a is supposed to just sit there and take it. we're going to talk about this relationship with our next guest. michael levine has been described in the u. s. media as america's top undercover cop for 25 years. a career veteran of the drug enforcement administration. he's a respected author and lecturer, having appeared as an expert witness in more than 500 civil and criminal trials in the u. s. and abroad. he's lectured on the undercover operations in human intelligence for the u. s. defense intelligence agency and the federal bureau of investigations advanced under cover seminar as well as for the new york state

division of criminal justice services and the royal canadian mounted police. there aren't many people in the world who know more about undercover operations than michael levine. michael, thank you so much for joining us. my pleasure. john. i have so many questions for you that i barely know where to start. i suppose we should begin with this relationship that the c i a seems to have had for decades with people and organizations that are active target of the d. e. a. i remember when i was at the cia drugs were of literally no concern to us transferring into the cia counter narcotics center was considered to be a career ending move. and as it turned out, the c, i was working against the d. e. a for much of that time. tell us about that. well, i'm going to give you my personal experiences and as i would if with this defining court, i initiated a case while i was the d. a station chief and went site. it's tina. and the case

was in to a member, the name of hubbard pope suarez roberto suarez subsequently was called the biggest drug dealer alive before secret session of congress. da. at that time, didn't even know it was when i got involved with suarez. i learned that he was dealing massive amounts of cocaine all over the world. he was literally controlling the flow of cocaine globally. as i started reporting this to the drug enforcement administration, my 1st orders came down that i was to open my files to central intelligence. my, this meant that i opened this massive wall sized wall and

they just came at their will with, from the station within the embassy and began to go through the files. the reverse wireless case began to make copies take them. there was nothing. i could say. i had been ordered by dee to open those files. so it's kind of ironic that after i retired from d e, again writing a i put a foyer request. let's see i for my, my files. anything that are under my name and it came back. we have not, i see what i found out in working the roberta, worst case, strange things started to happen to differentiate between deep cover and undercover . anybody who puts on a suit and carries a gun, calls himself an undercover agent. a deep cover agent is the guy who goes into the enemy's church and seduces him literally out of his life. i,

you in da comments? they have when you get on the radio, when you're at the coverage, you say i'm going in often those are the last words of that man. the undercover agents are the people who stay outside and score. i quote, cover the deep cover man. it at which they really can't do it often. what happens is they do a batch job of covering the deep cover agent. you guys inside see them outside getting burned as you know what that means. sure. they get burns and the agent dies. consequently, yes, you will, you will read about none of this in the newspaper. with the rebels, worst case, what began, how it began to manifest their presence in the case was

d e a headquarters assigned us a plane that really couldn't do the mission? that is the mission in this particular case, it was the 1st time that was done was to fly a plane into the jungles of bolivia. pick up the 1st load of cocaine from roberto suarez and there deliver them to the united states. the pilots came to me and this is all in my book. the big white lie which is like this. so silly and the the pilot came to me and said, displaying is the wrong place. not only that, it's got an n number that was used to ferry bolivian police a couple of years ago. but the, this is all in the book. and if you go through

a book like level reading, you know that you go through a more stringent proof of what you put in then any, any case you would present in course, oh yes. was money, money money's involved. well, the we, and this is captured in the book, i told the guys who are going to actually get on the plane and fly into the jungles and said, i wouldn't blame. he didn't re the bravest men i've ever known. not whether they flew that plane into the jungles picked up that load of cocaine and against everything that the drug enforcement administration and central intelligence could do, made it back. and i thank god to this day if people are seriously interested in seo, hays involvement from a firsthand witness is

a book. it's only in spanish. okay. then i spoke to eva the king of cocaine by aida levy. suarez, she, she was crescent during his meetings. this monster drug dealer, with central intelligence, the control of him and his operation, was manifested. it yes, what along along those same lines, the c i a has long been accused of either running drugs or of turning a blind eye while their sources and their cooperators run drugs. gary webb, for example, famously said years ago that the cia had allowed the contra rebels to bring massive amounts of drugs into the united states. and after his reporting was criticized on the same day by the new york times in the washington post. he committed suicide by somehow being able to shoot himself multiple crimes has uria. as your experience been that this cia willingness to tie itself to some of the most notorious drug

traffickers in the world. been a disservice to the united states. what, what is the fall out? been over the long term. do you think rick, this service to the states, the air america, read anything you can about air america. a cia proxy airline, which was flying literally flying. harry, when heroines precursors across the golden triangle area i, when i was when i was transferred to d e a headquarters, i was charged with tracking the flow of the shan united on me at that time there were trafficking heroin, right across the jungles of, of cambodia thailand to, to bank got too, you know, an air base in thailand and this was where we 1st as a d e agent. i 1st me said words that they were,

they were putting the drugs in the bodies of g. i is being sent back from you. oh my god. it was this, this was the herman jackson investigation, right. it was my, it was my investigation. it was the only one the, the, the investigation you see in the movies. with flying drugs in the core fans, et cetera. that was, i mean, it was really bo, it's as a matter of fact along with a couple of other d e agents, we're all corrupt and what not we. we started a lawsuit against the film company, which if you haven't tried to suit film, i think you better be law firms. right.

dead. yeah, yeah. i mean the question is this. see, i get involved with drugs every way possible. every way they use it. yeah. they use it as a political tool. we're going to take a short break. we're speaking with legendary drug enforcement administration officer, michael levine. we're going to take that short break and continue the conversation . stay with us. we'll be right back. 2 2 2 ah, i am rick sanchez and i'm here to play with you. whatever you do, you do not watch my, your shelving seriously. why watch something that's so different. my little opinions that you won't get anywhere else work of it please. if you have the state

department, the c, i a weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your fax for you. go ahead. i changed and whatever you do, don't watch my show stay mainstream because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the wayne thing. ah, the is for mr. broad western leg work order. and indeed of you wish you would that word order is now or you are seeing in you agree is the last desperate by the americans and a few west. and i like that they have a to lead, trying to leap in that order is a more to eat in order better relation with the idea ah

ah. 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry. aku, we're talking about the antagonistic relationship over drugs and drug trafficking between the cia and the drug enforcement administration, or d a. and we're joined by one of the most highly respected drug enforcement professionals in american history. that's michael levine. thanks again for being with us. thank you, john, giving me a chance. this is so much cheaper than a site. oh, i, i'd be interested to know about your bureaucratic experiences with the cia over the years. certainly. you've gone head to head with the agency on these issues. what was that like and what kind of administrative and perhaps political support did you

receive if any? well, i once asked when i was in, when i was stationed at the embassy in argentina, i once asked them for the lens of a listening device. they, they give me and i tried a few times, tamara listening device, nothing you get got nothing from the caea, not that that's so, so very important. but they had all of this going on in the american press about the cia is now involved in the drug war. and you had all these international d, e, p, cover agents, all laughing and say, well yeah, they are basically what i want to impress on that. impress 8, i want you all to know the audience to know to that i right now. function as a trial consultant,

an expert witness. you could see my boner fired east on police trial expert dot com. it will tell you the kind and the level of cases in which i am now testifying . and if i said anything that could be used against me on a witness, then they'd grab it from this. but there's nothing that i'm saying that's not so well documented that we can, we can open up a separate court case for it. and it's a really important for the audience to understand that. and other than that, let it rip, i'm again, really happy to be really happy to be here, john, on thank you. one of the accusations that you made against the cia, and i have to tell you, i believe every word of it was that it negatively in food influenced a very important da operation. you said that the cia was instrumental in the

creation of something called the called lock core to put, i see on it's a, it was a bolivian drug cartel which you, what's called the general motors of cocaine. can you tell us about that? yes, it's again, it's in the book, the me quite like that. sorry. if i live long enough i should write a whole other you know, dating. but it, it's all the, the general motors of coaching a colon, the general motors of cocaine. because at the time the cia was doing its best to destroy d e 's case against roberto suarez, he, he was a, it was everywhere i. he was putting together cocaine, manufacturing, cocaine organizations, cocaine trafficking roots all over the globe at this point. i think that's why i call it the general. they were the general motors of cocaine, particularly at a time when america we,

when you or you saw in the newspapers was press about the scourge of cocaine. right . what it's doing president was saying it's worse than any kind of, of a, an attack by an enemy. it's the worst thing that our country was facing. is the number one enemy, and this central intelligence with their asset putting together a. the only way to quote is the general motors of cocaine. there was, there were globally influencing trafficking that was trafficking just the way general motors in lucky still is jani. she only your email for jojo allen, and that analogy i can come up with at the time that was the jeff you've written, you've written several highly acclaimed books and like all of us involved in national security, you had to have those books cleared by the da they cleared all of them and the books still had explosive new information in them. in one you alleged that reagan

era attorney general ed meese who's actually still walking around washington, you run into him every once awhile. he had blown the cover of a da undercover team that had penetrated the office of the president of mexico and in 2011 bolivian president evo morales. held up a copy of one of your books for the press and used it as justification to throw da out of the country. in fact, if yes, if he had read the book, he would have cathy da in the country and he would have thrown the cia out of the country. tell us about those incidents. exactly. they were a shock to me actually i, i, i so writing that book. nobody was was, you know, i thought was wrong with the speed the my entire career. i had been under investigation from day one. the investigation continued to years after,

but yet nobody was aware when i was doing. i don't know how that happens. john, you could probably explain that better than me. this isn't just enough that smart. i'm with the fact bureaucrats, mostly bureaucrats. i've met a just really not that smart. they come from a class of people that all they seem to think about is the wrong self aggrandizement, right? our. and if you feed them, you know, i was very good at the cover. what? because i knew i know how to seduce people. i knew how to seduce very bad guys. me . well, it's almost the same logic when you're dealing with a bureaucrat. yours. oh, yeah, yeah. so if he explained me, i can't, i really can't explain me. i'm just incredibly lucky or

they weren't watching the store. right. what else? yeah. well, what else can you say about that? you know, i think when aldrich ames was a c i, agent, and 7 years at that time he spent working for working for the k g b, right? when they finally on him, when they put him, they put him in charge of cocaine, of the drug, see where you don't have to even have to think about it a i don't answer just like talking to you because i like to sit privately with you and i love it, i'd love it, and you know what? let me, let me add something to your, to your thought there. i see a psychiatrist once told me that the cia actively seeks to hire people who have what he called sociopathic tendencies. not sociopaths. because sociopaths are impossible to control, but the problem is if you're a sociopath,

you have no conscience. and so you blow right through the polygraph exam. and so while the see, i says that it doesn't want sociopaths. in fact, the place is full of sociopaths. and that's how they get themselves into these predicaments. yeah. he, having a conscience is like drinking lank around in that world. that's right. your world. you can't, you just can't. oh, you're exactly right. that's exactly what it is. i can't, so some of the things, you know, mosul a veteran and i, i am getting peaches eaten care from the veterans administration. right. who considered who considered my experiences as his iep cover agent? watch, mary, didn't then her military experiences. and oh, i believe that read and in their logic they say what you are serving your country

so you know, it all comes that's right. all comes under this, but that's right. you know, i've, i've awakened in the middle of the night more than once shouting, where's my gun? which just pieced a panic. my, my wife and tell us what you're, what you're doing to stay busy. now i know that you continue to testify as an expert witness all around the country. you right, you continue to speak and you have a radio show. how else can our viewers keep abreast of the work that you do? i michael levine, books dot com. excellent. as videos of it ill, it is you the everything about the book self, it's really important if you're interested. a glitch, trial expert, that com least trial expert that com is my professional website. yes, this is what i do now. i'm deeply, deeply involved,

my wife and i are writing another book. excellent. i know it. hell, i'm going to live long enough to finish all this things. i'm not sure what that is . okay. to what, what, what i want to say was why i was assigned to argentina. i was told to activate these specials special action units. as ac unit, least i happened to be serial killers. they were, they were, they were the ones offering all the argent time. they, i gave her sushi, i, the dirty were what the 3 guys were, the guys that i was paid to, i have is my assets, and were some of the things that my job expose me to i can even talk

about it's you, i think you'll get it from reading the book, so you deep cover and the big white line. and as john pointed out, they both pest excruciating libel review. so then they are the real deal. and again, if you can yet, okay, they like, okay, not by aida, levy explorers. she's a 1st hand witness to cia, people coming into her house while he was running cocaine, across the world. and it is no wonder the book was ever translated to english. because this was this, the only thing winder book is she thought i was a cia. oh my goodness. well there's, i only regret that we have such a short period of time to talk. so i want to thank you, michael levine for joining us today. and thanks to our viewers for tuning in

substance abuse is of very real trap and a curse on our society. drugs are very much like an abusive lover. who treats you well it 1st and then beats you up. apologize as treats you nicely for a little while longer and then beats you up again. the trap is hanging in there for the good while trying to overlook the bad. that can never work. and we're fortunate to have people like mike levine and the officers nations of the da trying to protect us. i'm john curry aku. and this has been the whistleblowers. we'll see you next time. ah no look forward to talking to you. oh, that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings,

except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about on personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to create trust rather than fear i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence, real summoning with a robot last protects its own existence with harm. i'm rick sanchez, and i'm here to plead with you. whatever you do, you do not watch my new show. certainly why watch something, but so different. my little opinions that you won't get anywhere else. welcome, but please. if you have the state department, the cia weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your facts for you. go ahead,

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