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which get out of gold, but they can amik situation in the country, which is we're passing through the was crisis in history. the wasn't governance system and history and then we had people will petrified of elections. so the elections on 2 men provinces had been announced by the supreme court on the 30th of april, the petrified the elections. my body will sweep them because in horror, been bullied by bodies boys to win to cause majority by august on. hence, they're wanting to get rid of me out of the 37 by elections in the last few months . my body has swept 30 of them. so you know, you the reason you asked me in the beginning how rid is a threat. the tread israel undulations because they want that if the election sick base i come back into bala, they would be held accountable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as p t i, leader, if our chaudhry says in the indian papers actually caught up with the story of us,
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that you are going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on a process when you elections? and does that make any difference as regards yourself because you're banned from going for these elections by pakistani authorities? well, i'm not bad at all, but there are 443 cases against me. 5 by the government. under 43, it must be some ward recall. i remember i have been in the public eye for the last 50 years. i'm the most well known pakistani in our history and people know me. i have never broken any law. and certainly in the last few months, it drank to ruby from the lation, raised them $543.00 cases so far. which start from last me to sedition, to dare is a most of them are dead or is it will support is in the peace movement in say,
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nature, countries say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and antony blinking. but what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments? when you a p. m, between 201820? 22. what do you want about those judges in 75 bucks on history. the law says that when a head of state law, anyone in bower, ministers, army generals or anyone, when they receive gifts, then the law says that you bear a certain amount or do those state. it used to be 20 percent, and my diamond was 50 percent. when you paid 50 percent, the gifts for yours to do whatever you want. but guess you did not claim walk in and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. i and i'm waiting for does this job. this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out and people
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would find out the only had austin possibly the only hosted who went by the book who declared everything and whom it did everything legal is sitting here. well, of course, some i'd say that you appointed people when you were a prime minister, that i don't know whether you think they were part of a conspiracy for spokesperson and edema. so john white is he saying things like i was impressed by a enron cons anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo, but then saw that well, con, publicly talked about the poor. privately, he surrounded himself with the wealthy investors. well, what do you make of that in others that you, you appointed? when you, you appointed people that now criticize you? so this guy came from one of the party joined me before 2000 elections. and then he lost elections. and so as a consolation, i gave him some advice issue and then he went back to the party to the body game
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from. so when he, when you go back, what are you going to say? why, why did you leave your body? you know, why are you back? what else is he going to say? i'm really disappointed. i thought this is this, i mean, you know, these are politicians. what are they going to say? remember, the only government that has been removed and i history and not to hook her up. she was my government. when my government was removed, in 17 years, we had the best economic performance and that's documented in economics avail. august on an annual report published on the economy published by this government. so it has the best economic record in 72 years and was not removed on corruption. obviously that severe be disputed by the opposition you tweeted on sunday. fascism is at unprecedented levels under the premiership of your successor. noah's shrieks brother shabazz. um does that include the ios?
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i boss nadeem and u. z. a fascist. and what is the role of the military here because to have fascism, you need a strong military. are you saying that there are others beside the prime minister, the new prime minister that are part of fascism in modern day pakistan? never in a democratic government and have a fundamental rights of the citizens, a democratic rights? never the freedom of speech. never has it been so much at stake, right? as right now, i mean, all these rights have disappeared, but his son is passing through the worst human right catastrophe in a democratic history. yes. in some military dictatorships, there was probably similar circumstances, but in general, my sheriff's dictatorship and was liberal compared to what we are going to right now. well that's, that's obviously quite a, quite a statement. have you had any or any contact with us authorities because the
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optics of your overthrow were that you were with vladimir putin as the response by russia to nature provocation as russia. so it happened in don bass, and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand, you have tempered your initial charge is that washington was, or the sole conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my government was removed. so just to give you a, he was exactly what happened, a cipher which is of which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington. with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was regarding a conversation in terms that it was there were no takers on both sides. so it was an official meeting. this is donald blue, right?
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dot antony blinker. diplomat. yeah. so that, oh gosh. one is what is called a cipher seeker correspondence. arrived at the foreign office at my desk. no, what did it say? daughter louis telling the buggy sunny ambassador if you do not remove him, ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence. there will be consequences of by august on the next. it is a vote of no confidence against a government that had the best economic performance in 70 years. as you know, as you know now, shabbas sharif is saying they have a leak already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use as one can understand you wanting to use it after all as a conversation, which was state by the secret agencies and then the doctor did,
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you know, you know, now if you have, if, if that dave, your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence. you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape but so, so not when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then there were, you know, you can easy doctorate, but the point is i made that cipher public i and michael, of course, a good polish of what was the, the exact, the correspondence because it's a secret goal. but we put that cipher in front of a cabinet us national security council by this time officially demolish the u. s. y interfering and, and done an offense. so that is the cipher. but later on we discovered it. but the, what you would have to do, we discovered that it was on army chief who was,
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can been in speech, who was a man architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him on it. no, i'm talking about general budget wise, the ex army chief. ok. he was conspiring, he was getting beat us. he had high lobby score with santa connie on up here on my going to payroll, who was robbing against the washington. americans. i look in ron, when do rush on is on a gordon as if the whole of foreign office all, all the stakeholders were not on board and that wasn't a cipher too. and he campaigned that him, ron is, and the american and general america and level, now we just go and then they look boys in the big light above good relationship with the trump administration, former prime minister, i'll stop you. the more from the 22nd prime minister pockets on the chairman of the p t. i. m on con after this break. ah
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ah, ah, ah . oh the is for mr. a broad western leg work order. and a bit of you with that word order is now more you are seeing in you 3 is the last desperate by the americans and a fuel west. a lead. try to leap in that order. it's a more be didn't order religion with
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what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time to sit down and talk and willing of them. so bluetooth toria, no graham t coyer soon enough idea. she ship a doctor. lean that ship for a control input you bought. so you should shield video to g at the mobile polarity system will only be near them. did not sing device such a tough machine. yeah. well we can do 2 pocono channels. actually it's
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welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with overthrown back. it's sunny by minister m ron con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations, about the fact you were threatened by consequences, as appearing in that cipher or code, the biden spokesperson, kate bedingfield, is on the record with saying, there's absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we were involved in a regime change in bugs on. obviously they were denied, but the factors, the cipher was the ocean conversation between our ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me, and the exact words were that you should get rid of your prime minister in a board of, nor gone. and surprisingly, the next day, there was a lot of no confidence. well, let's go to the economy then,
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because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back in power in pakistan of the of asset budget con, already been in bay. jing of china giving pakistan $500000000.00 to facilitate it. seems a loans possible 1200000000 dollars from the u e, where i'm talking to you from the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in, or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position? you see from what i can get. i mean, i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries . so i can see why that order reacting, but i can assume that what is happening is the ganges i'll say, bug hassan, financial institutions outside august on and all the businesses will focused on
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have lost faith in the us government. and why? and the last with, because the economy has been so badly managed that we are walking through the was sick, roman crisis in our history. so our, our currency is plunged. our growth is gone down. ah, exports, you know, where creation, how do you get? well, by producing by exporting all you did i want to do is to facilitate the i am floats . surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif, is saying you're derailing your own i m f. program if you a prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? her reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money, would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries? oh, object of getting in. i'm as ron,
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is it bridging loan until you make your structure changes in your economy? that is supposed to be just to bring lawn for you to get on your feet, but you know, that's not what the i m f does to global south country. now, i know that's not what the i m f does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what will be trying to do is give you an example. what we were trying to do is your revenues, so exports, remittances raise the number of donors coming in because i am, it only comes in when you have a shortage of dollars, or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and grads, you try to squeeze expenditure. this is what happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is then when you are exposed to go start going down. when your remittance has started going down, in other words, you're going to income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you go unless you grid,
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where are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we've got stuck in right now. we have all these loans accumulating. we are boring money, which is why the other countries are $11.00. but i capacity to pay back is being reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you harm? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief general. my job since then has been brought up by the stablish, but they're 12 parties collision which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoys. they're all over the place. if the establishment withdrew support from his government. if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the establishment keeping them together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment, there is so much political uncertainty, no one, just the government,
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the only way forward, a free and fair elections allow government government, which is public mandate, the confidence of the people that is a government, then we can start restructuring the economy, making difficult. joyce's, you know, difficult decisions and, and only a government public mandate can get us out of this mess. and many say that you are the most popular politician in pakistan. you obviously won the majority of the votes in 2018, but you also know the history of assassinations of pakistani leaders. he still refusing personal bodyguards. i was as the assassination attend when i was extremely lucky to be alive. this young man, when he saw him draw her gun just by the 30 feet where feet away from me. had he not has put his hand on the gun. it wouldn't be on the dog body and other people because he put his hand on the gum in the last minute it hit my legs and other
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people plus it was another shooter in the front. so, but it's in the legs, man. i went down and then a bullet from the shooter in front window, the head since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a blue screen and i am taking precautions because the guy who planned the solution all in power laws were supposed to defend me. are the ones i am in the greatest danger from. they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the am your children's uncle is the you a you came in is to for overseas territory is not gold. now, lord goldsmith, he, it's been on this show. why no, why nothing from him? here, the problems in pakistan have to be solved by the people by gast, on harvey. am i going to ask other countries look and you know, i was, i was asking, you know, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to as you know,
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nature governments have a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all, i'm one of them you know, countries abroad to talk about other, the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now in my country. we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country. glam known on media agenda has been put into jail. one of our best investigative journalists, or should, should be founded out in kenya, assassinated, or a hot dog. dennis had left the country and who killed i, shad? sure. if you believe it was a that im and you the boss of the i a saudi. i believe it was the same guy that tried to kill me. they would deny that. but you don't have that, the evidence asserted. well, this is, this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course,
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for those who don't know him. so unless you have a proper investigation, how can you find the bruce? and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and sabotaged all the bruce, this gum, and then destroy all the all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee. this is, this is completely minister redone. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eating. same as when the jealous i should treat his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now? i know i to from it's have con, local p t i, leader in heavily on has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed or would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret services in pakistan which you you after will lead luckiest on these structures. were there on the or leadership?
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good luck. we have an august on. we have a history, we gain starter of a security state. we had this big fear of never 7 times our size, which we had a do dick as 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gundy. nancy would have a fear that it by so not exist and you know, because the never was so huge and therefore it started off as a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and imposed marcia laws. we had 3 much laws out of the last 60 years. ah, we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still in vol ring. it still has it on property. and we have on let me just can be we had the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again to us more into the security,
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stayed by the agencies that the intelligence agencies play the huge order. so we are now trying to have more of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment is going librium at the moment. in this case of this government, it is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing that is a consensus and by august on it is on nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees are security. so there is a consensus across body line. everyone. everyone in by august on believes that we must get them secure over there. and can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they're in control of the nuclear weapons, no problems, but with the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear, since i'm concerned there is
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a consensus august on that we need to look after them and get them secure better because that shows our security and safety. well, as your family are attacked, as your recovering from being shot says, you're under threat of assassination. how is it to view she, gen ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding almost a new world order, which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that, that we've seen since 1945. i see, you know, great change is taking place. i mean, of course, china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing godrays into blocks in their home. john, i brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best
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developments as far as my son is concerned, because iran is a neighbor and saudi arabia is one of our closest friends for years. so them together eases tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step forward. but what i do not want these blas developing countries like us, you choose either one side or the other because india has, i mustn't mind yes for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born, warren countries, when blocks india sort of standards in making itself a country which is non aligned and, and devoid intent relationship. but everyone, and that's what i want my son to be. we don't want to be like we want to call you a line up with a u. s. and therefore we cannot have relationship with the indict send relation blog which was with, with the soviet union. so now i would really like, for, from my son's point of view, we, you know,
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we need to have trade trade with her on train with central asia right up to russia because thus, these are our neighbors in china, of course. and one day i hope that we have trade with india and we have a proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword. well just very, very briefly. if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged? you is subjected to, by the, by doing administration, would he be overthrown if he wanted to be not aligned? well, bravo, shabba, sure, you said his brother and also your doughty is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on, and western capital properties. they've got their brochure, a guns, and what is not just bug, a sunny politician lose dashed, money laundering from the countries and do a western capital and offshore accounts. this is the problem with the most of developing world. and the moment the leadership,
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as money outside is going to be in the sort of billions of dollars. i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions. i do have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people. well, of course, all this politicians deny any wrong doing. they're all welcome to come on the show . show my prime minister in america. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. mean, well you can keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch on or going other grantee on rumble dot com to watch new and all that. so it's all going on the grantee on monday ah, with operation aerodynamic began shortly after world war 2 and lasted almost 3 decades.
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it wasn't a major effort to try and split the ukraine off from the soviet union. us intelligence together with hypnos, executioners trained hundreds of saboteurs to be deployed in the soviet union just focused on the east of well, i'm sorry with today security service of ukraine uses not only the statistic methods, but also the ideology of the nationalist a ah, ah, ah,
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you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change. and dwayne thing ah ah, a can say is russia will deploy its nuclear weapons in neighboring deliveries, quote, and get a similar to what the us does with some of it. tomato allies. this, it will not hand over the weapons to belch just as the u. s. doesn't to its life. we are simply doing what they have been doing for decades to find that ministration blew up the north train pipeline to rain in western europe, which will light on cheap brush and gas for latest claim from renounce investigative journalist seymour hersh pipeline. that shows control full of gas.

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