in a position of power. and so therefore, even though the investigation started, but the scholarly investigation, because it was pointing in the direction of, of proper guns, proceed along the lines which i predicted. and therefore they just, they said, what does the investigation? so the threat israel because these people are sitting and bala petrified, but if i wouldn't the elections, they would be in trouble or hadn't accountable. so they have been doing since then when i was there by the almighty, just in the nickel dime they had to do. but be on 11 on saturday. there was a problem. did i always walked into the drive and the time i got back because they had planned to kill me then and then i discovered that they were going to do another action against mine. on wednesday they were going to do this action

where my supporters were there and they were planting people in my supporters would have fired the police and the police and delegation would have given my support that eventually come off to me. so, i mean, it's a difficult time in august because we have a government which is address. we have a government which get on the when you get on a goal, but they get all my situation in the country, which is we're passing through the worst crisis in our history. the was governance system and history. and then we have people who are petrified of elections. so the elections on too many problems that have been announced by the supreme court. on the 30th of april, the petrified elections. my body will sweep them because an order been bullied by bodies boys who wouldn't do the majority of august on hence then one thing to get rid of out of the 37 by elections in the last few months. my body

a sweat deal. so you know, you, the reason you asked me in the beginning how rid of the threat, the thread is ran until the elections because they want that if the elections take place, i come back into bala, they will be heading to countable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as b t i lead father george says in the indian papers actually called up the story of us, that you are going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on the process when your elections and does that make any difference? as regard yourself, because because you're banned from going for these elections by pakistani authorities. well, i'm not bad at all. but 443 cases against me. 5 by the government. under $43.00, it must be somewhat calm. i remember i've been in the public eye for the last 50 years. i'm the most well known bugs in history and people know me. i have never

broken any law. and suddenly, in the last few months, in trying to remove be from the election, raise them $543.00 cases of all which start from black, me to sedition, to dare is a most of them are terrorism, will support is in the peace movement in say, nature country say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and anthony blinking. but at what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments when you a p. m, between 20182022. what he, what about those judges is $75.00 on history. the law says that when a head of state law, any one and bower ministers, all army generals, only one when they receive gifts, then the law says that you bear a certain amount or do those state. it used to be 20 percent,

and my diamond was 50 percent when you paid 50 percent, the guess for yours to do whatever you want. but guess you did not claim washington and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. i and i'm waiting for, does this job, this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out that people would find out the only head austin, possibly the only hosted who went by the book who declared everything and whom it did everything legal is sitting here. well, of course, some i'd say that you appointed people when you were a prime minister, that i don't know whether you think they were part of a conspiracy for spokesperson and edema. so john white is he saying things like i was impressed by a emron cons. anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo,

but then saw that well, con, public be talked about the poor privacy. he surrounded himself with wealthy investors. well, what do you make of that in others that you, you appointed? when you, you appointed people that now criticize you? this guy came from one of the party joined me before 2000 elections. and then he lost the elections. and so as a consolation, i gave him some advice issue and then he went back to the party to the body game from so when he, when you go back, what are you going to say? why, why did you leave your body? you know, why are you back? what else is you going to say? i am really disappointed. i thought this was this. i mean, you know, these are politicians. what are they going to say? remember, the only government that has been removed and i history and not to hook her up. she was my government. when my government was removed, in 17 years, we had the best economic performance and that's documented in economics avail.

august on an annual report published on the economy published by this government. so it has the best economic record in 70 years and was not removed on corruption. obviously that severe be disputed by the opposition you tweeted on sunday. fascism is at unprecedented levels under the premiership of your successor. noah's sheriff's brother shabazz, i'm just heading through the i s i boss nadeem and u. z, a fascist. and what is the role of the military here because to have fascism, you need a strong military. are you saying that there are others beside the prime minister, the new prime minister that are part of fascism in modern day pakistan? never in a democratic government have a fundamental rights of the citizens, a democratic rights. never the freedom of speech. never has it been so much as stig, right. as right now, i mean all these rights have disappeared,

but his son is passing through the worst human right catastrophe. in a democratic history. yes, in some military dictatorships there was probably similar circumstances. but in general, my sheriff's dictatorship and was liberal compared to what we are going to right now. well that's, that's obviously quite a crisis statement. have you had any or any contact with us authorities because the optics of your overthrow were that you were with vladimir putin as the response by russia to nature provocation as russia. so it happened in don bass, and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand, you have tempered your initial charge is that washington was, or the sole conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my government was removed. so just to give your,

he was exactly what happened, a cipher which is a, which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was regarding a conversation and terms that it was there were no takers on both sides. so it was an official meeting. this is donald blue, right? dot antony blink. diplomat. yup. so that, oh gosh. one is which is called a cipher seeker correspondence. arrived at the foreign office and at my desk. no, what did it say? daughter louis, telling the buggy sunny investor that if you do not remove him, ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence, there will be consequences of by august on the next day. it is a vote of no confidence against the government that the best economic performance in 70 years. as you know of as you know now shes sharif is saying they

have a leak already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use as one can understand you wanting to use it after all as a conversation, which was state by the secret agencies and then the doctor did, you know, you know, now if you have, if, if the dave your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence. you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape but so, so not when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then there were, you know, you can easy doctorate, but the point is i made that cipher public i and michael, i of course, a good polish of what was it, a of the,

the exactly correspondence because it's a secret goal. but we put that cipher in front of a cabinet us national security council by his son officially demolish the u. s. y interfering and, and internal affairs. so that is the cipher. but later on we discovered it with what you were referring to. we discovered that it was our own army chief who was campaign against b, who was a min architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him an air? no, no, i'm talking about general budge. why is the ex army chief ok? he was conspiring. he was getting the u. s. he had hired a lobby score. lasana connie on up here on my going to payroll, who was rolling against the washington during the americans. i look m ron went to rush on his own or gotten as if the whole of foreign office all, all the stakeholders were not on board. and that was in the psychotic,

and he get been that iran is and the american and general america. and so therefore, now we just go and then they were boys in against the big light above good relationship with the trump administration. former prime minister, i'll stop you the more from the 22nd prime minister pockets on the chairman of the p t. i. m on con, after this break. ah, ah, march 20th 2003 u. s. army and its allies invaded iraq fund or should he defeated today the let me know kind of 7, was it empty? i'll 7 of 7 out of something guys in the may. the 1st 2003 us president george bush declared

victory in the iraq war. how do you different are you know, what that would put up for a potential hydrogen to december? the 30th 2006 said i was saying was executed. hadn't. mm hm. we'll shut down them from december, the 15th 2011. a ceremony was held in baghdad to mom, the end of the u. s. military mission. in reality, the u. s. army is still in iraq. i dumped the block. she had a bill. it was still a couple people, but there, ah ah, welcome back to going undergrad. i am still here with overthrown bug. it's sunny by

minister emron con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations about the fact you were threatened by consequences. as appearing in that cipher or code, the biden spokesperson, kate bedingfield, is on the record to saying there is absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we were involved in a regime jayden bugs on. obviously they were denied, but the factors, the cipher was the ocean conversation between ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me. and the exact words were that you should get rid of your prime minister in a board of nor conference. and surprisingly, the next day there was a lot of no confidence. well, let's go to the economy then because you've been talking about the threat to the

sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back empower in pakistan of the of asset budget con, already been in beijing. china giving pakistan $500000000.00 to facilitate it seems a loans possible $1200000000.00 from the u. e. where i'm talking to you from the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position. you see from what i can get, i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries . so i can see why that order reacting. but i can assume the what is happening is the gun, jeez, outside bug hassan, financial institutions outside august on and all the businesses will focused on

have lost faith in government. and why and the last way, because the economy has been so badly managed that we are wanting to the was sick lama crisis in our history. so our, our currency is plunged. our growth is gone down. ah, exports, you know, where to creation? how do you get well, by producing by exporting? well, all you did i want to do is to facilitate the i am floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif, is saying you're derailing your own. i m f program. if you a prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? her reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries the whole all object of getting an i'm as lawn is

a bridging lawn until you make your structural changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just a breathing long for you to get on your feet. but you know, that's what the i m f does to global south country. no, i know that's not what the i'm it does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what we'll be trying to do is give you an example of what we were trying to do. raise your revenues for exports. remittances raise the number of donna's coming in because i am if only guns in when you have a shortage of dollars, or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is what happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is, then when you are exposed, go start going down. when your remittance has started going down, in other words, you're gonna income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you go unless you grid, well,

how are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we got stuck, and right now we have all these loans accumulating. we are boring money, which is why the other countries are $11.00, but i capacity to pay back is being reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you harm? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief general . my job since then has been brought up by the stablish, but they're 12 party scholarship, which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoys. they're all over the place. if the assertion withdrew support from his government, if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the establishment keeping them together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment, there is so much political uncertainty, no one just the government, the only way forward. a free and fair elections allow government government,

which is bumbling, mandate. the confidence of the people that is a government then which can start restructuring the economy, making difficult. joyce's, you know, difficult decisions and, and only a government public mandate can get us out of this mess. and many say that you are the most popular politician in pakistan. you obviously won the majority of the votes in 2018, but you also know the history of assassinations of pakistani lead. is he still refusing personal? what he gods? i was as the assassination attend when i was extremely lucky to be alive. this young man, when he saw him draw her gun just by the 30 feet where feet away from me. had he not, has put his hand on the gun, it would have it be on the dog body and other people because he put his hand on the gum and the last minute it hit my legs and other people plus it was another shoot

in the front so, but it's in the legs, man, i went down and then a bullet from the shooter in front window, the head. since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a bullet proof screen, and i am doing pretty good because the guy who planned the solution all in power laws who are supposed to defend me are the ones i am in the greatest danger from. they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the am your children's uncle is the you a you came in is to for overseas territory is not gold. now, lord goldsmith, he, it's been on this show. why no, why nothing from him. look here, the problems in pakistan have to be solved by the people by gast, on, hardy, my, who to ask other countries look and, you know, i was, i was asking, you know, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to. as you know, nature governments have

a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all i wanted then, you know, countries abroad to talk about other the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now in my country we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country. clam known on media agenda has been put into jail. one of our best investigative journalists, or chetry, mounted out in kenya, assassinated more of a top, janice had left the country and who killed our shad? sure. if you believe it was a nadeem and you to boss of the i a saudi. i believe it was the same guy that tried to kill me. they would deny that, but you don't have that. the evidence asserted. well, this is, this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course, for those who don't know him, so unless you have a proper investigation,

how can you find the proofs? and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and savage, all the proofs, this gum, and then there's destroyed all the, all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee. this is, this is completely minister redone. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eve, same as with the journalist or chetry his his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now i know that influence of con, local p t i, leader in the have alien, has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed or would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret services in pakistan which you you after will lead luckiest on these structures. were there on the or leadership?

good look, we have an august on we have a history, we gave the starter of a security state. we had this big fair off of nebo, 7 times our size, which we had ado dykus 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gundy nationally would have a fear that it, by so not exist, you know, because the never was so huge and therefore it started off as a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and imposed marcia laws. we had 3 much laws out of the last 60 years. ah, we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still in vol. ring is still hasn't of all property but, and we are just let me just can be we had the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again to us more into the security. stayed with the agencies as the

intelligence agencies played a huge order. so we are now trying to have more of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment is going librium at the moment. in this case of this government, it is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing that is a consensus in by august on it is our nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees are security. so there is a consensus across body line. everyone, everyone august on believes that we must get them secure there in can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they're in control of the nuclear weapons. no problems, but with the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear, since i'm concerned there is

a consensus august on that we need to look after them and get them secure better because that shows our security and safety. well, as your family are attacked, as your recovering from being shot says, you're under threat of assassination. how is it to view she, gen, ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding, almost a new well daughter which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that, that we've seen since 945. i see, you know, great changes taking place. i mean, of course, of china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing countries into blocks. a home just brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best developments

as far as my son is concerned, because iran is a neighbor and saudi arabia is one of our closest friends for years. so them together eases tensions for us. we feel that it's a great a step forward. but what i do not want these last developing countries like us, you choose either one side or the other because india has, i must have mine yes for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born, warren countries, when blocks india sort of standards in the making itself, a country which is non aligned and, and their voice, it tend to relationship. but everyone and that's what i want bugging on to be. we don't want to be like we were in the cold water line, but with the u. s. and therefore we cannot have relationship with the entire central asian blog which was with, with the soviet union. so now i would really like, for, from my son's point of view, we, you know,

we need to have trade trade with her on train with central asia right up to russia because thus, these are our neighbors in china, of course. and one day i hope that we have read with india and we have proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword will just very, very briefly, if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged you is subjected to by the bible administration? would he be overthrown if he wanted to be not aligned? willow, bravo, shabba, she said his brother and officer doughty is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on, and western capital properties. they've got their garage sure, a guns and what is not just bug sunny, bought a dish loose dashed, money laundering from the countries and do a western governance and offshore accounts. this is the problem with the most of developing world. and the moment, the leadership as money outside this country and the sort of billions of dollars,

i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions. they cannot do have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people. well, because all this politicians deny any wrong doing, they're all welcome to come on the show showman, prime minister, american. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. meanwhile, you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch on or going on, the grantee on rumbled or come to watch new and old episodes of going underground see on monday. ah ah ah is full which turn broad western word order and a b of you wish you would that word order is now or

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