to view prominent indian thinkers on china, i always feel myself a part of a lot, a triangle because china and india so big and so close to geographically that i guess it's impossible for them to be neutral to with each other. having said that, i wonder if china's recent breakthrough diplomacy, including the success in bringing the saudis in the rainy and did the negotiation negotiating table, is that worthy of respect and particularly worthy of respect of di indian counterparts? i think it is worthy of respect from the indian side, any initiative, any diplomatic initiative for more peace and stability in the middle east is could be welcome to my order. and i see no difficulty in welcoming or to what has been achieved, engaging in, bringing together saudi arabia and you know,

there go countries have been changed or far. google that has been local deduplication exchange between them. the nearly came conflict or in a set of circumstances in great id, try blissfully welcomed this initiative. and i will the, the big chinese or they're going to be able to go forward and will be able to success will be addressed the radius matter right. now one of the reasons why i think the news of the saudi iranian deal astonished me is that we have come to take this risk for granted as almost the natural rather than manmade. stayed off by international affairs. how much do you think your politics and by that i mean this fluid mixed up, there is interest and various influences. how much has it influenced the initial rift and how much has it influenced it's apparent resolution?

now, i don't accept the idea that there is any inevitability in international relations . nor do i believe that there have been any, inevitably, with regard to the estrangement between saudi arabia. they have been long beards when they were loosely round and the kingdom of saudi arabia actually had many religions after the land iraq war. you had present us, i'm danny, with a young and they were able to resign. a very made an agreement and it was extremely walla visit after that then have been issues that you, i did them not necessarily connected with anything that had happened between them, but a sense of strategic wonder ability. i will call it in the yard after the rents will be out of spring. he laughed the head. saudi arabia had been ready to a considerable extent about it. so northern neighbour, it was so much bigger and had such a large population and considerable defense capability. they post concern,

but it was also a conscious of the fact that it could board its own because of the affiliated with the american, the american, the supposed to be security garrett. and as far as the keenan was concerned about, the situation did usually they were brought she conflict in syria and in yemen. at that, do i did them and there was a sense of 0. some of them are, you weren't changed the situation fundamentally were the growing the and i teach him in korea than the americans are more credible security provided and it is or did leads. and then for the last few years, the south deeds have been looking at other diplomatic options. and they have been talking to the iranians already from 2021, 2022, their 5 rounds up. we beat them, but that it must cut. and i would see that the chinese initiative in this back and

i'll so i would say that yes, this is a really oh positive development. you did the nature of certain combustion on both sides certainly. but at the same time with that child that has multiple claim that it is going to be a significant political and diplomatic, but it is in the region. let me ask you specifically about china's role here. and i heard you say before that china recognizes its limits, it understands that problems can only be addressed and hopefully resolve by the countries themselves. but it's ready to provide what psychologists call a safe container or what you call a medium mediation. is sort of congenial, authentic atmosphere and that where those difficult issues could be tackled or at least discussed. now how important it is and are there any other countries or any

other platforms that can provide a safe space for genuine authentic negotiation of difficult issues. the background relating to china is that that has been the rights of china in regional and where the affairs or the law for the 1st grantee is the right will it be more proclaimed, varied or making progress? and it was concerned that if the western bowers came to know about it, they would do anything to jeopardize it. at all. the 1st rockland mission largely of an economic character about the emergence of china under worsted occurred exactly 10 years ago. in 2013 president, she jim being allowed the one bed, one broad initiative that later became the birth enrolled in the ship. 10 years later, china has announced that it is also going to be

a major political clear in word it. her child, early on this, china believed that it was not familiar with best asia, had not been there for a long time. did laura legend the language and culture, but the last 10 years? i have noticed the chinese scholars have been explored, maria, where peace with regard to the leisure. and they are china, therefore, is much more confident. the chinese approach is quite different from that of the americans. the american approach is to have a very strong military presence in the region and will have friends in it. and also typically intervene in political matters through military force. i would say it was already frankly, that over the last 4 years since the end of book or more i would say to you that the united states has left the region totally shattered. the what the chinese offer

is something quite different. they call it where cy, remediation policy with i mediation warranty means that we can solve your problems can be stored by can please only through engagement with each other. well, the chinese goal is offer their good offices and then in a sense, encourage dialogue and harmony. they use the word hardly be in the thicker, they're not falling brokers. they are encouraging dialogue between and standing by. it will call you that this agreement is not a by let that it is in class. which means that the chinese have made themselves and in the 3rd part of this agreement, and therefore have made themselves garrander with success. clearly the, china's reputation as a piece builder, or as a mediator, has received

a significant buzz. but there are also some provisions economic provisions in this deal. for example, in beijing i is trying to encourage saudi a rate and iran to conduct any bilateral trade deal being denominated in you on. if that comes to pass, what do you think is going to be the significance of that? both for the 3 countries involved and perhaps even broader? decades and steel at them is since th, and it has some weight. i have already seen a number of reports from maybe a sources indicating an increasing fraction or using you on or any other non polar bond or transactions if it comes to that in order to facilitate green. because the you like this is believe to have miss yours. the power over the uni that the sanctions a border on iraq. the uni, let her be gone from the nuclear agreement and the sanctions in which involved in

that country. it is seen as a cross missed your order. if you have sanctions, i would say it real very frankly. it can be, can in or sanction or be americans did. taking advantage offers financials did this globally in me, this city or the rest of the international community don't participate in sanctions. and that has been that disenchanted professional community law number off the in asia as well as in other parts of asia. i'm seriously concerned that do this kind of duty let the grossly unfair action can be taken against the law or did it already has been the trailer or against any other kind. i don't know. let's not miss the elephant in the room as well. and then, and again, it's ayesha. he's ok and you can already see that the chinese via

a oil india has up. i mean the russians on the be despite the sanctions. i india, i'd like you to build up on the beacon all make visits can please that i'm fairly targeted by the american only on our own. drop it by then just go like google or other option. now i don't know if you would agree with them, but i think the americans tend to view these. defines of that universal policy as an ideological move they like to portrayed as a sort of battle, existential battle between democracy and talk crises. but from what you're saying in the countries and doing that, not out of any ideological or recent perceive, but there is to pursue that common sensical, if not survivalists interest, to understand your correctly, that it's not so much an act of defying the americans as simply you know,

following your own path and doing what's, what's good for you without necessarily trying to steal something from others. in order to speak to the american policymakers in washington, dc, dismissal or a baby and was a democratic gattey's no conviction whatsoever. nobody in the world believes in it for the americans argue with us or argue against us. that is the creedal in doesn't matter. you will remember that in there by the americans have been the strongest supporters of apartheid south africa, or 20 davian, the gibs in latin america and africa, or on a davie of the genes in india. so i am not impressed with this, and it is a, it is wendy of considerable major. it description what we are looking for different as you know, neither china nor russia, nor india, or iraq or anyone by you decide you linked up,

either over new or what we have been educating over the last 20 years or so. is that you're looking at the border that told me, i think we are simply saying you didn't order that the american culture or we're seeing it, is a large number of countries every month on the words. they have their own interest and, but they're all good. give them priorities, they want the team, the option, or deacon or, or an honesty, very specific issue that you will see in the context of the water in your grain. hardly any country had supported the american agenda of democracy wizard are already in. or where would that be? because the word believe beyond a bipolar. we have our right take our one does teacher, is the guy will matters go with it. okay, well ambassador,

we have the right an obligation right now to take a little break, but we will get back in just a few moments they can ah ah, ah, at the end of the 18th century, great britain began to conquer and colonize australia from the very beginning of the british penetration to the continent, natives were subjected to severe violence and deliberate extra patient. according to modern historians, in the 1st one read 40 years, there were at least 270 massacres of local depot. any resistance to the british was

answered with doubled cruelty. hundreds of natives were killed for the murder of one settler. indigenous australians were not considered complete people. no wild beast of the forest was ever hunted down with such unsparing perseverance as they are. men, women, and children are shot whenever they can be met with squatter. henry myrick wrote in a letter to his family in england, in 1846, australia as fast is rightly described as blood soaked and races. if at the beginning of colonization, there were one and a half 1000000 indigenous people living on the continent, then by the beginning of the 20th century, their number had decreased 100000 people. despite the indisputable historical facts, the problem of full recognition of the grimes of white australians against aborigines has not been resolved so far. mm hm. mm

hm. welcome back to worlds of parts that tell me so month in just form ambassador to saudi arabia, ambassador, before the break, we were talking about how various countries finally have the results and perhaps the necessity to proceed on national interest in the concept of multiple a world not unnecessarily ideological defiance to the united states, but simply out of their own interest. and i heard you say before that the u. s. is answer to that changing world order has been a new cold war reach. i have to say in ukraine, turned into a hawk, or do you think that will help the americans to hold on to their so called leadership? and i'm not asking for a moral judgment here. do you think that's a good strategic decision to pursue confrontation with russia as

a way of sort of holding on to that and do that. and then the benefits that they have been sustaining that is of mr. broad western lead word order. and it is of us generally are all that world order is now down bit or you are seeing in ukraine is the laughter desperate at them by the americans and the fuel, wester their lives that they have definitely try to leap in that order is a lot eaten order that has no relation with the word as g. i want to make no point in to see number one. doing that shark media. the americans with the shoulders will pop out in the word, look at the extraordinary violence and damage that they inflicted. they're all we are coded looking at 20 years after the euro, or the,

or should move that pretty decently. the damage that the americans didn't stop. we are born officially that ha, 1000000 people were killed there during the american occupation local countries in afghanistan and iraq. no dad is the reason why that is one. the 2nd is deal. there has been a rival other countries. they are not claiming. so pop outdated, but they are getting a certain degree of influence and are seeking a needs ones that would recognize these changes. there were to put it very bluntly through their own work order is patsy and activated yet. can it be hawk? and the bro, the must be polar, will be ordered. it can or beats already. and look at the shanghai cooperation organ. i vision, ad breaks, and indian ocean, very muffled, asian, and numerous other. and did you none of them?

bombing a, did my best of bower. each of them flourishing owner's own dynamics on the basis of its own logic. i'm going to make one will point that to that article. and, and is this for the time being certain west european countries have walked in with the american agenda? is that sustainable? gentle warranty has happened is remarkably digging and wanted of the water ukraine . germany is the army when 100 rock 1000000000 robots were the word have accepted this in any other federal for consensus? point 1.2. can you imagine the job becoming subordinate? the american agenda in see if i worked and yes, can you imagine from remaining subordinate could be american and then. but i have japan will also by the corporate insecurity resolve each ira. but look at audio

audio not willing to join the western alliance again. china, therefore, i'm suggesting that want to see as a wind dis, or around the americans. i believe that i read linda or jewel in it for a j at is not sustainable. can i ask her about that? because this is something that is being discussed in russian circles a lot. namely, what you mentioned, whether we can imagine a re armed germany or france remain under the american control or the american command for the next 5 to 7 years. but if we look at the nationally elite of those countries, most of them are western educated that, that level of expertise or that level of knowledge, even of the basic european history seems to be very, very limited. what makes you believe that something will happen,

and those are great european nations that will provide that kind of leads that will be more if not more assertive against the americans, but then at least a little bit more independent than minding our own interests. it's a difficult question for me. go on, show. read old, or is it french? i have as a long diplomatic of year of 37 years. i have been bored at the extent of ignorance in western countries, particularly in western europe and united states. with regard to the history, the culture and of dynamics, the political dynamics of countries in africa, asia, and latin america, even many of their so cornish burch, b, r. so inward looking, they are full, quote unquote, nationalistic than defeat. machine than that essentially wildman offer diplomacy as well as off oh, off objective commentary is that you must know where you're in the look that is

coming. you must know what is educating him or her. do much more want out of their priority than you are. so can you read your only your own priority? you and you have come lives yourself, particularly the american. how can read them so that then and then you need me well, in the way that if war or good, every american believed that both american believe that for all of us, more in the john maverick i and life in america, that he just completely bored. so yes, we have a problem, knowledge or something that you can get it go what people are inward looking and you have smalley leads who are looking only at their own in the band, with water and water and water. more worried about their future. and therefore, yes, did is a uncertainty in the these middle order. and that is what we are

living here, living call that they're living through june of uncertainty. i want to ask you a specific question about energy and not so much energy, but rather saudi arabia and utilize your enormous expertise in that area. isn't it even more striking that china's reason 6 as the the saudis intention to and resolved to go to our own way? because for many years the saudis position themselves as a staunch american al. and yet, if we actually look at the recent statements and their recent moves, for example, die commitment to the 8 pack a clock deal. that refusal to sell oil to countries that introduce price caps on the oil, including a, you know, that's the measure that it was by there, by the west. you know, it seems that that point policy is far more independent and far more actually inward looking at any of the countries that you

know, surround the west of this point of time. absolutely. right. you know, iran's in a part of the word game as a surprise to western commentators because did all 4 little be in that logic. it's got a surprise for us. be livia. i have watch saudi arabia you board will, but i yes, there talk them says run medical. they had a small little glitch in of, of our be 1000000 list a 1000000 foreign men. they did not have a very strong military tradition, the more dominican weapons, but had no intention of using. and you start getting get change. did empty engage regarding donor transparency. ashley larry did the dish and john clinton best teacher with regard would be americans being theda, security bro. white obama had started to purchase,

or maybe the some of the rules remark be where glenitia it was one of the more your degree months i had heard because if you will confront china, you don't meet gord, which i made unique. good lead time back. and he's in goods, they don't go south china b 2 be were blue. is that the red the on? but what did asians bendy that they're abandoned? that was the beginning. the 2nd will the nuclear agreement with the iranians at a time when the region was agitated. of already iranian concerns related grandma, you order obama negotiated of european agreement without consulting any of them. the term warranty period or bonner trump, when they want us to angle between the you, with any iran sanction on be iranian. and that, that brought it back on the oil facility, all of deeds. and in the i most role was the economy. this american big drawers

from understand, from goblin beach, me saw, and reward reminded us of how they had backed and blood from vietnam, ordered years ago. the same back then, of abandoning your allied backing up in a hurry, and then the running of it. as far as you get the region the then the lesson city and didn't realize that now a new world order has come. we cannot depend on the americans as security provided all got it, we need to look and then we're looking for security, provided the legion itself has come off each. so there's no reason to be surprised . any pupils are price our goal, washington, dc. unfortunately, brad is invalid. there's no user, we have been watching this happen for such a long time. the sense of betrayal and the thing about that, and that's it. or maybe there is also very inspiring message in a little dot. first of all, the fact that it's not only in americans,

but any other country in the world that has a sense of its own manifest destiny and the right to proceed on its own terms and in friendly relationship with others. and the 2nd good news is that credibility is not something that comes as a birthright. you actually have to earn it. you actually have to treat others as you yourself want to be treated. and i think that's the basis of all major philosophical and religious schools. madam, when you speak of manifest destiny, it reminds us on to clear horror of colonialism and impeded big areas. the white man look at the marsh murder general side because in the name of the relationship, the white being out of the entire red indian community, the american indian community. then the quite been the institutionalization of slave when he got the nation. a lot of almost all of the shame africa, the breeder occupation during colonialism vehicle should be like

a penny. that is not acceptable, but an absolute lunches and we should not remember office has exceeded that it is a matter. it loads is our worst question. when you speak off dancy realizing mission, we will say we like 5000 a year before any of them shortly. we like to ship the important issue of africa. be a particularly angry or when we hear of these people as it is, are both on a farm and and like orland light, the speaker does utilizing mission, miss avi. yes, mortal density realizing mission has meant mass murder. absolutely. and, you know, i once interviewed former, beside the prime minister amber, i'm hon. and he said that, you know, one of their worst vestiges of colonialism is that nation start to believe that colonial narrative themselves. and i think in a sense, what we've been discussing, today's, that many of those countries of finally ready to read themselves from all those

narratives. and you recognize that there is something inherently good and valuable and charitable in that old history and our own national path. and indeed, in that old manifest destiny, because you know, all the nations in the world have something special, something unique to all for. if the international environment supports that, unfortunately we have to end up here. i'm, as i said, great, the owner them greatly inspired by this conversation. thank you very much and it's a great pleasure for me and thank you for watching hope to see her again next week on the world's apart. a mm hm. mm for.

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