i wonder if china or recess break through diplomacy, including the success in bringing the saudis in the rain and to be negotiating negotiating table is that worthy of respect and particularly worthy of respect of di indian counterparts. i think it is well deal respect from the indian side, any initiative, any diplomatic initiative for more peace and stupidity in the middle east is, could be welcomed by all of us. and as she wrote it in welcoming, what are what has been achieved, engaging in, bringing together saudi arabia and iraq. there go, countries have been changed or far to goal that has been local, that you put ation exchange between them. they nearly came to conflict or in a set of circumstances in 2019 through i personally welcomed this initiative and i will the,

the chinese or they're gonna be able to go forward and we'd be able to success will be addressed the radius matter right now, one of the reasons why i think the news of the saudi iranian deal astonished me is that we have come to take this risk for granted as almost the natural rather than manmade. stayed off by international affairs. how much do you think your politics and by that i mean, this is fluid mixed up, there is interest and various influences. how much has it influenced the initial rift and how much has it influenced it's apparent resolution? now, i don't have the idea that there is any inevitability in international religions. nor do i believe that there have been any in there with, with regard to the train, with saudi arabia. they have been long beards when they lose the and the kingdom of

saudi arabia actually had really got religion after the land iraq war. you had present us and danny with it in the area and do what able to resign a very made an agreement. and it was extremely walla visit after that then have been assured that you, i did them not necessarily connected with anything that had happened between them, but a sense of strategic wonder ability. i will call it in the yard after the rents will be out of spring. he laughed the head. saudi arabia had been ready to look into the will extend about it. it's a northern neighbour. it was so much bigger and had such a large population and considerable defense capability for a post concern. but it was also a conscious of the fact that it could hold its own because of the, of the asian with the american, the american, the less of all to be security government. as lot of the key the was concern about

the situation. did you read? they were brought she conflicts and syria, and in yemen that do i did them and there was a sense of 0, some scenario. one genes, the situation fundamentally were the growing, the and i teach him in rhea than the americans are more credible security provided . and it is or did lead. and then for the last few years, the south deeds have been looking at other diplomatic options. and they have been talking to be iranian already from 2021, 2022. their 5 rounds of we'd be good, but that it must cut. and i would see that the chinese initiative in this back and i'll for i would say that yes, this is a really oh positive development. it is the culmination of certain conventions on both sides. certainly, but at the same time we don't for recognize it that china has multiple claim that

it is going to be a significant political and diplomatic presence in the region. let me ask you specifically about china's role here. and i heard you say before that china recognizes its limits, it understands that problems can only be addressed and hopefully resolve by the countries themselves. but it's ready to provide what psychologists call a safe container or what you call aquanda media mediation is sort of congenial, authentic atmosphere and that where those difficult issues could be tackled or at least discussed. now, how important it is. and are there any other countries or any other platforms that can provide the safe space for genuine authentic negotiation of difficult issues? the background relating to china is that that has been the rights of china in regional and well defense order law for the us. the 1st grantee is their eyes,

will it be more proclaimed, buried or making progress? and it was concerned that if the rest of bowers came to know about it, they will do anything to jeopardize it. on the 1st brooklyn mission largely of an economic character about the emergence of china to works did occur exactly 10 years ago in 2013. and she jumping around the one bed, one drawer initiative that later became the burden. goldy, the 10 years later china has announced that it is also going to be a major political clear in what it had a china believed that it was not familiar with had not been there for a long time. did laura legend the language but 10 years i have

noticed the chinese scholars have been explored merely where peace with regard to the teacher and their child therefore, is much more confident. the chinese approach is quite different from that of the americans. the american approach is to have a very strong military presence in that region, and we'll have friends in it and also typically intervene in political matters through military. i would say nobody frankly, that go to law for since the end of book or more, i would say to you that the united states as left the region totally shattered the, what the chinese offer is something quite different. they're all in wish i, remediation policy with i mediation or g means that we can solve your problems can be stored by can these only through engagement with each other. well,

the chinese goal is offered a good offices and then in a sense, encourage di, logan, army. they use the word are to be in, the thicker them are falling brokers. they are encouraging dialogue and standing by, if you recall you, their disagreement is not in by let but it is in class, which means that the chinese have made themselves and in the 3rd part of disagreement and therefore have made themselves garrander with success. clearly the, china's reputation as a piece builder or as a mediator has received a significant boost. but there are also some provisions economic provisions in this deal. for example, of beijing, i is trying to encourage saudi arabia and iran to conduct any bilateral trade deals are being denominated in you on that comes to pass. what do you think

is going to be the significance of that both for the countries involved and perhaps even broader deck? is it still at the miss and steve and it has some weight. i have already seen a number of reports from maybe a source is indicating an increasing fraction or using you on or any other non polar marker transactions. if it comes to that in order to facilitate grid. because the united states is believe will have misused the power over the uni letter sanctions. the border on iran, the uni. let her be gone from the nuclear agreement and then going sanctions import, which impoverished that country it is seen as a cross missed your order. if you have sanctioned, i would say it real very frankly, it can take any more sanction or work the americans did. taking advantage offers

financial status globally. it me, the city or the rest of the international community don't participate in. ready sanctions and that has been that of disenchanted professional community la, number of leaders in west asia as well as in other parts of asia. i'm seriously concerned than do this kind of duty left the and grossly unfair action can be taken against iran, or did it already has been a trailer or against any other kind of, let's not miss the elephant in the room as well. and yet, and again, it's ayesha countries are you can already see that the chinese via laurel villani, an oil india has substantiated by, i mean the russians on the be despite the sanctions and iran and china, india are likely to build up or rebuild economic ties on their visits,

these that have been unfairly targeted by the american only on our own brokerage by then just like you look for other options. now i don't know if you would agree with them, but i think that americans tend to view these defines of that universal policy as an ideological move they like to portrayed as a sort of been battle is essential battle between democracy and talk crises. but from what you're seeing in the countries and doing that, not out of any ideological or recent perceive, but they're simply pursuing commonsensical, if not survivalists interest to understand you correctly, that it's not so much an act of defying the americans as simply, you know, following your own path and doing what's, what's good for you without necessarily trying to steal something from others in order to speak to the american policy makers in washington, dc dismissal or a davion with. so democratic daddy's low conviction workshop. nobody in the.

busy or the americans argue with us, or argue against us. that is the legal, it doesn't matter. you will remember that by the americans have been the strongest support of apartheid south africa, or a james in asia. so i am not impressed with this, and it is a considerable major, it description. we are looking for different, as you know, neither china nor russia, nor india, or iraq, or anyone by you decide to link up either over new or what we have been educating over the last 20 years or so. is that you're looking at a bunch of people that told me, i think yes, simply saying you didn't order american culture, or we have seen

a large number of countries every month or no words. they have their own interest and, but they're all good. they've been priorities, didn't work to the team, the auction, all deacon dan, or, or an honesty, joe, where specific issue you will see in the context of the lot in your green, hardly any country has supported the american agenda of democracy wizard are already there are, are works to that effect because the word believe beyond a bite, the bullet where we have our right take our own decision is the guy will matters go best as each. okay, well ambassador, we have the right an obligation right now to take a little break, but we will get back in just a few moments they can ah ha.

by the middle of the 19th century, practically the whole of india had been under the rule of the british empire. the colonial authorities had imposed that heavy death bringing the people into poverty and were exporting natural resources. and moreover, these are thought absolutely had no consideration for the provisions of the local population, treating them like 2nd class citizens. the british were showing signs of disrespect even to those who cooperated with them. the fact of ignoring the religious beliefs of the hindus led to the mutiny of the sea boys, mercenary soldiers serving under the british crown. 3000000000 began on the 10th of may 1857 in the garrison town of may river, north of india, in the form of

a mutiny. the rebels quickly took over daily. the heroic resistance of the indian people lasted for one and a half years. however, the forces were not equal. the colonial authorities dealt with the rebels cruelly, the slaves, the boys were tied to the mouth of the cannon and were shot right through their bodies for the amusement of the public. this type of execution was called the devil's with the obliteration of the mutiny resulted in the death of 800000 inhabitants of india. however, the british empire never broke the free spirit of the indians and their will for resistance. mm mm. mm i welcome back to wells apart, but tell me so, month in just form ambassador to saudi arabia, ambassador,

before the break we were talking about how various countries finally have the results and perhaps the necessity to proceed on national interest and the concept of multiple a world not as an necessarily ideological defiance to the united states, but simply out of their own interest. and i heard you say before that the u. s. is answer to that changing world order has been a new cold war of each. i have to say in ukraine, turned into a hot or do you think that will help the americans to hold on to their so called leadership and i'm not asking for a moral judgment here. do you think that's a good strategic decision to pursue confrontation with russia as a way of sort of holding on to that and do that. and then the benefits that they have been sustaining that is of mr. broad western lead word order.

and it is of us germany that world order is now down beach or you are seeing in ukraine is the last attempt dealt with by the americans and the fuel, wester light that they have definitely try to leap in that order. it's a monty in order that has no relation with the word as g. i want to make no point in to see number one, doing that shark media, the americans with the shoulder football in the word, look at the extraordinary violence and damage that they inflicted. they're all we are cody looking at 20 years after the euro, or be, or should move that pretty decently, the damage that the americans didn't stop. we are bored officially, that ha, 1000000 people were there during the american occupation local countries in

afghanistan and iraq. now dad is the reason why that is one. the 2nd is deal that has been illegal. other countries, they are not claiming. so pop outdated, but they're getting a certain degree of influence and are seeking a needs ones that would recognize these changes. they were to put it very bluntly through their own work order is patsy. and at the barrier, can it be her can be brought, the must be polar, will be hoarded. it can or beats already and look at the shank guy, cooperation organ, i vision and breaks and the indian ocean very muffled, th and, and numerous other and did you, none of them will be needed by mr. bower, each of them flourishing on his own dynamics on the basis of its own logic. i'm going to make one more point than that to that article. and that is this for the

time being certain west european countries have walked in with the american agenda . is that sustainable? can warranty has happened? is remarkably digging and wanted of the war in ukraine. germany is the army. when 100 rock 1000000000 robots were the word have accepted this in any other federal for consensus? point 1.2. can you imagine the job becoming subordinate would be a medical image and i in see if i worked and yes, can you imagine fraud, remaining subordinate could be american event, but i have just been waiting for somebody to call go in security, resolve each ira. but look at audio audio not willing to join the western alliance again. i. therefore i'm suggesting that want to sheet as

a wind disk or around the americans. i believe that at the blended or cruel in energy for a jay and is not sustainable. can i ask you about that? because this is something that is being discussed in russian circles a lot. namely, what you mentioned, whether we can imagine a re, aren't germany or france remain under the american control or the american command for the next 5 to 7 years. are western educated, that level of expertise or that level of knowledge, even of the basic european history seems to be very, very limited. what makes you believe that something will happen, and those are great european nations that will provide that kind of leads that will be more if not more assertive against the americans, but then at least a little bit more independent than minding our own interest is a difficult question for me, go on show, without causing all french, i have as

a loan to grow my ticket here of 37 years. i have been bored at the extent of ignorance in western countries, particularly in western europe and united states. in regards to the history, the culture and of dynamics, the political dynamics of countries in africa, asia, and latin america, even menu of their so cornish burch, b, r. so inward looking, they are full, quote unquote, nationalistic than defined, seen. and an essential requirement offered to promise, as well as off oh, off objective commentary is that you must know where you're in the look that is coming. you must know what is educating him or her. do much more want out of their priority than it you are. so can you read your only your own priority?

you and you have convinced yourself, particularly the american. how can you give them so that then, and then you need me will in the one that if war organ, every american believed that both american video but all of us marine asia and africa and latin america that he just completely bored. so yes, we have a problem, knowledge open, it is not something that you can get it. what people are inward looking and you have smalley leads who are looking only at their own in the pandemic, had made me believe in water and water and water board. what it of order and what yes did is a certain w, lynn said uncertainty in the these middle order and active, we are living. we're living for that. they're living through june of uncertainty. i want to ask you a specific question about energy and not so much energy, but rather saudi arabia and utilize your enormous expertise in that area. isn't it

even more striking that china's recent success, the, the saudis intention to and resolve to go our own way? because for many years, the saudis positioned themselves as a staunch american al. and yet if we actually look at the recent statements and our recent moves, for example, that commitment to the 8 pack a class deal. that refusal to sell oil to countries that introduce price caps on oil, including a, you know, that's the measure that it was by there, by the west. you know, it seems that that foreign policy is far more independent and far more actually inward looking at any of the countries that you know, surround the west of this point of time. absolutely. right. you know, a wrench in a part of the word game as a surprise to wisdom commentators because they don't follow be in depth. logic

is got us on price last be livia. i have watch, saudi arabia, you bored, will, will repudiate of i. yes, there taught them says run medical. they had a smaller population of, of our $20000000.00 plus $10000000.00 foreign. and they did not have a very strong military tradition. the more dominican weapons but had no intention of using when you started seeing that change did engage with doctor donner transparency. ashley, larry and in the distant john clinton best teacher with regard would be americans being seed of security for white obama. have started the office or live the some of the rules remark be were glenitia. it was one of the most york remarks i had heard, because if you will confront china, you don't meet the or glitch i made. you need to go lead time. i can go and go to

south china b 2 be were blue. is that the read the on? but what did asians bendy that then abandoned? that was the beginning. the 2nd world, the nuclear agreement with the iranians at a time when the legion was agitated. of already iranian concerns or need to agree law. you order obama negotiated of european agreements without consulting any of them. the term warranty period or bonner trump, when there was just angle between the us. any iran sanction on be iranian. and that, that she had that on the oil facilities, all of deeds. and in the i most role was the economy, this american berg drawer from afghanistan, from goblin beach, me, saul. and we'd want me to reminded us of how they had backed them, but i'm from vietnam ordered years ago. the him back then of abandoning your allies, backing up in a hurry and then running of it as far as you get the region,

then the lesson city. and they realize that now a new world order has come. we cannot depend on be americans, as security provided all guidance, we need to look at them are looking for security, provided the legion itself has come off each. so there's no reason to be surprised . any pupils are price our goal, washington dc. unfortunately, pride isn't valid. they're not easy, we have been watching this happen for such a long time. the sense of betrayal and the thing about that. and maybe there's also very inspiring message in a little dot. first of all, the fact that it's not only in americans, but any other country in the world that has a sense of its own manifest destiny and the right to proceed on its own terms and in friendly relationship with others. and the 2nd good news is that credibility is not something that comes as a birthright. you actually have to earn it. you actually have to treat others as

you're yourself want to be treated. and i think that's the basis of all major philosophical and religious schools. madam, when you speak of manifest destiny, it reminds us of the great horror of colonialism and impeded being carried to white man's good look at the marsh murder general. say that because in the name of the relationship, the white being out of the entire red indian community, the american indian community, then be quite been in the institutionalization of slavery. the only nation window of lodge of almost all of the shame africa, the breeder occupation during colonialism and vehicle should be like a penny. that is not acceptable, but an absolute lunches and we should not. none of us have expedia. it to the matter in clouds is our worst question venues. eagle dancey realizing mission,

we will say we live 5 polled in the earth before any of them. false relationship. therefore in asia, africa, particularly angry or when we hear all these people as it is article by this arms and, and like orland light and a speaker does utilizing mission, miss avi. yes. mortal density realizing mission as men mass murder? absolutely. and, you know, i once interviewed former kasanya prime minister in manhattan, and he said that the, you know, one of the worst vestiges of colonialism is that nation start to believe that colonial narrative themselves. and i think in a sense what we've been discussing today's, that many of those countries, a finally ready to read themselves from all those narratives. and to recognize that there's something inherently good and valuable and charitable in that old history and our own national path. and indeed, in that old manifest destiny, because you know, all the nations in the world have something special,

something unique to offer. if the international environment supports that, unfortunately we have to end up here. i'm, as i said, the great the honor than greatly inspired by this conversation. thank you very much . again, it's a great pleasure for me for watching hope this year again next week on the world's apart, and with me. oh, ah .

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