[000:00:00;00] ah, hello and welcome to was a part time hours have always washed each other with a change of jealousy and still it inevitable. with tennis. recent diplomacy breaking a number of long count, your political assumptions, guaranteed to wait for a room where great means not only might is right, but also responsibility that comes with power. to discuss that, i'm now joined by telling me my name is former ambassador to saudi arabia. investor . it's a great pleasure, a great honor for me to talk to you. thank you very much for time. and you, everybody did. you know, whenever i interview prominent indian thinkers on china, i always feel myself a part of a lot, a triangle because china and india,

so big and so close to geographically that i guess it's impossible for them to be neutral to what the child are coming. so i wonder if china recently, breakthrough diplomacy, including the success in bringing the saudis in the rainy and student bushy negotiating table, is that want to be a respect and particularly worthy of respect of that indian counterparts? i think it is wednesday or from the indian side any, any, any diplomatic initiative for more peace and stability in the middle east is, can be read by order. and i, she wrote it in welcoming whatever has been achieved in bringing a their book on 3 is have been changed or prior to goal that has been medically to put ation exchange between them nearly came on or in

a set of circumstances in going to be by dean dr. blessed and i will that day that the big chinese or that will guarantee it will be able to go forward and we'd be able to success will be addressed the easiest method. now, one of the reasons why i think the news of the saudi iranian deal astonished me is that we have come to take this risk for granted as almost the natural rather than manmade. stayed off by international affairs. how much do you think geopolitics, and by that, i mean, this is a fluid mix of various interest and various influences. how much has it influenced the initial rift and how much has it influenced it's apparent resolution? now, i don't have the idea that there is any inevitability in international religions. nor do i believe that there have been any inevitability with regard to the train. when saudi arabia,

they have been long beards when they will lose the kingdom of saudi arabia, actually, and really quarterly, after the war. you had pres, does us and danny with it. and they were able to recite a made an agreement and it was extremely walla. after that there have been issues that you, i did them not necessarily connected with anything that had happened between them. but us and foster dd. one of the ability, i will call it in the yard after the rents will be out of you at the head. saudi arabia had been ready to look into the will extend about it. so northern they were, it was so much bigger and had such a large population and considered defense capability, people's concern. but it was also a conscious of the fact that it could board its own because of the issue with the

american. the americans live the security guard as far as the key the was concerned . but the situation did you, they were brought she conflict, cynthia and in yemen, did you, i did them and it was essential 0. some of them are, you weren't changed the situation. fundamentally were the growing the and i teach him and then the americans are more credible security provided and it is all this leads. and then for the last few years, the so deeds have been looking at other diploma and they have been talking to be iranian already from $22125.00 a month. and i would see that the chinese initiative in this back, you know, so i would say that yes, this is a really oh positive development. it is the con,

the nature of certain conventions on both sides, certainly. but at the same time, we go for recognizing that china has no claim that it is going to be a significant political and diplomatic, but it is in the region. let me ask you specifically about china's role here. and i heard you say before that china recognizes its limits, it understands that problems can only be addressed and hopefully resolve by the countries themselves. but it's ready to provide what psychologists call a safe container, or what you call a needy mediation. is sort of congenial, authentic atmosphere and that's where those difficult issues could be tackled or at least discussed. now how important it is, and are there any other countries or any other platforms that can provide the safe space for genuine authentic negotiation of difficult issues. the bad girl believed

in china is that that has been the rights of china in these melon, well, the office or the last 4 years, the 1st grantee is the rise, was low and dinner proclaimed that it, we're making progress. and it was concerned that if the western bowers came to know about it, they will do anything to jeopardize it on the 1st brooklyn mission largely of an economic character. about the emergence of china, the worst is a good exactly 10 years ago in 2013 president, she didn't being announced the one bed, one broad initiative that later became the best and rolled in the ship. 10 years later, china has announced that it is also going to be a major political clear in where it had child. early on this, china believed that it was not familiar with best asia and nor been there for

a long time. did laura legend the language and culture, but the last 10 years? i have noticed the chinese scholars have been explored, maria, where peace with regard to the leisure. and they are china, they're both is much more confident. the chinese approach is quite different from that of the americans. the american approach is to have a very strong military presence in that region and we'll have friends in it. and also typically intervene in political matters through military force. i would say no very frankly, that go to law for peer. since the end of book or more, i would say to you that director states as left the region totally shattered the what the chinese offer is something quite different. they're all in where sy, remediation policy with i mediation. warranty means that we can solve your

problems restored by these only crew engagement with each other. one of the chinese goal is all for the offices, and then in a sense, encourage di, logan, army. they use the word hard, maybe in did say got them are falling brokers, they are in good edging dialogue and standing by it will recall you that disagreement is not in by let the look. it isn't i left, which means that the chinese have made themselves and in the bar of disagreement and therefore have made themselves garrander with success. clearly the, china's reputation as a piece builder or as the mediator has received a significant boost. but there are also some provisions economic provisions in this deal. for example, evasion. i is trying to encourage saudi arabia and iran. you can conduct any

bilateral trade deals of being denominated in you on if that comes to pass, what do you think is going to be the significance of that? both for the be countries involved and perhaps even broader deck? is it still at the mason? th and it does. um, we do. i have already seen a number of reports from maybe a sources indicating an increasing ration or using you on, or any other non polar marker gland actions. if it comes to that in order to facilitate grid, because the united states is believed to have miss yours, the power over the uni. let those sanctions the border on iraq. the uni. let her record from the nuclear agreement and clean sanctions in which involved in that country. it is seen as a cross missed your order. if you have sanctions,

i would say it real very frankly. it currently can him or center for work the americans did. taking advantage of this financial status globally in me, the city or the rest of the international community don't participate in. ready sanctions and that has been that disenchanted community law number is in rest. asia as well as in other words, for seriously concerned they do this kind of duty let the grossly unfair action can be taken against the law or did it already has been a trailer or against any other kind of let's not miss the elephant in the room as well, and then, and again, it's ayesha countries. ok. or you can already see that the chinese via a oil india has substantiated by the russians on the be despite the

sanctions. i am child india likely to build up or the building can all make the visits broken, please that have been unfairly targeted by the american only on our own. drop it by then just like you look for other options. now i don't know if you would agree with them, but i think that americans tend to view these defines of that universal policy as an ideological move they like to portrayed as a sort of that battle, existential battle between democracy and a talk crises. but from what you're seeing in the countries and doing that, not out of any ideological or recent perceived, but there are simply pursuing common sensical, if not survivalist interest to understand you correctly, that it's not so much an act of defying the americans as simply, you know, following your own path and doing what's, what's good for you without necessarily trying to steal something from others. in order to speak to the american policymakers in washington,

dc dismissal or a davion was a democratic daddy's no conviction whatsoever. nobody in the world believes in it. for the americans argue with us or argue against us, that is that legal and doesn't matter. you will remember that in there by the americans have been the strongest support of apartheid south africa authority of the, of the gibs in latin america in africa, or on a davie of the genes in india. so i am not impressed with this, and it is a, it is wendy of considerable figurative description. what we are looking for. definitely, as you know, neither china nor derushia, nor india, nor iraq, or anyone buys decide. you make a copy of a new or what we have been educating over the last 20 years or so. is that you're looking at the border that told me,

i think we are simply saying you didn't order american culture, or we're seeing it a large number of countries every month or no, we're states, they have their own in this and but are all get the of the priorities, they want, the team, the option, all deacon, dan, or, or an honesty. their specific issue that you will see in the context of the bought in you can hardly any country had supported the american agenda of democracy wizard are already it is a are works. would that be? thank you because the word believe beyond a bite, the bullet we're we have our right to take our own decision is a guy who does go with it. okay, well ambassador, we have the right an obligation right now to take a little break, but he will be back in just

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ah well, come back to all the parts, but tell me so much in this form ambassador to saudi arabia, ambassador, before the break, we were talking about how various countries finally have the result. and perhaps the necessity to proceed on national interest in the concept of multiple a world not unnecessarily ideological defiance to the united states, but simply out of our own interest. and i heard you say before that the u. s. is answer to that changing world order has been the new cold war of each i have to say in ukraine, turned into a hot or do you think that will help the americans to hold on to their so called leadership? and i'm not asking for a moral judgment here. do you think that's a good strategic decision to pursue confrontation with russia as

a way of sort of holding on to that? and then the benefits that they have been sustaining is mr. gord western word order. or did you wish you would be that word order is now damn bit. what you are seeing in ukraine is the last, a desperate attempt by the americans and a fuel west of allies that they have who definitely try to leap in that order is a lot eaten order that has no relation with the word as g. i want to make no point in disregard number one. doing that shark media, the americans were the shoulders, will pop out in a word, look at the extraordinary violence and damage that they inflicted. they're all we

are cody looking at 20 years after the euro, or be, or shall move that pretty decently, the damage that the americans did in a kind of stuff. we are bored officially, that ha, 1000000 people were killed there during the american occupation local countries in afghanistan and iraq. now dad is the reason why that is one. the 2nd is deal that has been illegal. other countries, they are not claiming. so pop outdated, but they are getting a certain degree of influence and are seeking a needs ones that would recognize these changes. they were to put it very bluntly through their own work order is patsy. and at a barrier can it be her can be brought? must be polar, will be ordered. it can or beats already. and look at the shank guy, cooperation organ. i vision ad breaks and the indian ocean, very muffled, asian,

and numerous other. and did you none of them bob mediated by best of bowers, each of them flourishing on its own dynamics on the basis of its own logic. i'm going to make one more point than that to that article. and, and is this for the time being certain west european countries have walked in with the american agenda? is that sustainable, gentle warranty has happened, is remarkably digging and wanted of the war in ukraine. germany is the army. when 100 rock 1000000000 robots were the word him accepted this in any other federal for consensus? 4 and 1.2. can you imagine the job becoming subordinate would be a medical image and i in see if i work 10 years. can you imagine from remaining subordinate could be american agenda,

but i have just been really bad to corporate insecurity resolve each ira. but look at audio audio not willing to join the western alliance again. i have therefore i'm suggesting that want to see as a wind dis or around the americans. i believe that i read blended or cruel in energy french i and is not sustainable. can i ask her about that? because this is something that is being discussed in russian circles a lot. namely, what you mentioned, whether we can imagine a rearm, germany or france remain under the american control or the american command for the next 5 to 7 years. but if we look at the national lead elite of those countries, most of them are western educated, that level of expertise or that level of knowledge, even of the basic european history, seems to be very, very limited. what makes you believe that something will happen,

and those are great european nations that will provide the kind of leads that will be more if not more assertive against the americans, but then at least a little bit more independent than minding their own interests. it's a difficult question for me. go on show. without causing french, i have, as a long duke romantic of year of 37 years, i have been bored at the extent of ignorance in western countries, particularly invest in europe and united states. with regard to the history, the culture and their dynamics, the political dynamics of countries in africa, asia, and latin america, even menu of their so cornish burch, b, r. so inward looking, they are full, quote unquote, nationalistic than defeat, machine, than the essentials requirement. offer diplomacy as well as off oh,

off objective commentary is that you must know where you're in the look that is coming. you must know what is educating him or her. do much more want out of their priority than it you are. so can you read your only your own priority, you and you have convinced yourself, particularly the american how can read them. so that then and then you need me well in the one that if war or good every american believe that both americans believe that. but all of us marine asia and africa and latin america that he just completely bored. so yes, we have a problem, knowledge open. it is not something that you can get it. what people are inward looking and you have smalley leads who are looking only at their own in the band, with water and water and water. more worried about their future. and therefore, yes, did is

a certain length of uncertainty in the these mental order. and that is what we are living. we are living for that. they're living through june of uncertainty. i want to ask you a specific question about energy and not so much energy, but rather saudi arabia and utilize your enormous expertise in that area. isn't it even more striking that china's recent success, the, the saudis intention to and resolved to go that own way? because for many years, the saudis position themselves as a staunch american al. and yet, if we actually look at the recent statements and our recent moves, for example, that commitment to the 8 pack a class deal. that refusal to sell oil to countries that introduce price caps on oil, including a, you know, that's the measure that it was by there, by the west. you know, it seems that that foreign policy is far more independent and far more actually

inward looking at any of the countries that you know, surround the west of this point of time. absolutely. right. you know, iran's in a part of the word game as a surprise to wisdom commentators because did all follow be in that logic? he's got us on price last. we, livia. i have watch saudi arabia. you board. we'll with get off. i. yes, there toward them says run medical. they had a small little glitch in of, of our print, be 1000000 plus $10000000.00 foreign and they did not have a very strong military tradition. they bought the american weapons, but had no intention of using when you start getting that change did empty to engage regarding donald trump's presidency assay. larry did the dish and john clinton best teacher with regard would be americans being theda, security,

bro. white obama had started the office or read the some of the rules remark be, were glenitia, it was one of them was your degree mugs i had heard because if you want to confront china, you don't meet the or glitch i made. you need to go lead time back and he didn't go to the south. china b 2 be were blue. is that the read the on? but more did asians bendy that they're abandoned? that was the beginning. the 2nd world, the nuclear agreement, over the iranians at a time when the legion was agitated. of already iranian concerns or need to agree law, you order obama negotiated agreements without consulting any of them. the term warranty period or bonner trump, when they want us to angle between the us, any iran sanction on be iranian. and that a past that she had back on the oil facilities,

all of deeds. and in the i most role was the economy. this american burg drawer from afghanistan, from goblin beach me soul. and between to reminded us of how they had backed and blood from vietnam, ordered years ago, the same back then of abandoning your allies, backing up in a hurry and then the running of it as far as you get the region the then the lesson city bit and didn't realize that now a new world order has come, we cannot depend on be americans, as security provided, all got it. we need to look at them are looking for security, provided the legion itself has come off each. so there's no reason to be surprised . any pupils are price our goal, washington, dc. unfortunately, brad isn't valid. there's no reason we have been watching this happen for such a long time. the sense of betrayal and the thin for out. but and maybe there is also very inspiring message in a little dot. first of all, the fact that it's not only in americans,

but any other country in the world that has a sense of its own manifest destiny and the right to proceed on its own terms and in friendly relationship with others. and the 2nd good news is that credibility is not something that comes as a birthright. you actually have to earn it. you actually have to treat others as you yourself want to be treated. and i think that's the basis of all major philosophical and religious schools. madam, when you speak of manifest destiny, it reminds us on the horror of colonialism and impeded big areas. the white man look at the marsh murder general side because in the name of the relationship, the white being out of the entire red indian community, the american indian community, then be wiping the institutionalization of slavery, bobby nation. a lot of almost all of the shame africa,

the breeder occupation during colonialism vehicle should be like a penny. that is not it, but an absolute nonsense. and we should not, none of us have expedia. it to the matter. in rhodes is our worst question. when you speak all dessie realizing mission, we were say, we live 5000 years before any of them. 40 realization, there was an issue. i'm africa particularly and we are then be hero. these people, as it is article about his arms and and light fro orland light, the speaker does he realizing mission resolve? yes. mortal density realizing mission as men mass murder? absolutely. and, you know, i once interviewed former kasanya prime minister and i'm home and she said that, you know, one of the worst vestiges of colonialism is that nation start to believe that colonial narrative themselves. and i think in a sense, what we've been discussing today's,

that many of those countries of finally ready to read themselves from all those narratives. and to recognize that there's something inherently good and valuable and charitable in that old history and our own national path. and indeed, in that old manifest destiny, because you know, all the nations in the world have something special, something unique to offer. if the international environment supports that, unfortunately we have to end up here. i'm, as i said, the great, the owner than greatly inspired by this conversation. thank you very much. and it's a great pleasure for me and thank you for watching hope this. you're again next week on the world's apart and in. mm mm mm

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