ah, i'm action or it's antsy. welcome to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai in the u. e. wait thousands of years for peace deal, and then to come within a few weeks of each other after the saudi arabia, iran. d o came, she's in pings, state visit to moscow, where putin said mutual relations were more than an alliance. so now could a communist body broken piece deal, end washington's war on russia through ukraine, or will the export of british depleted uranium to care of an entity blinking warnings against a ceasefire. continue the war to the last ukrainian is russia and china hail their friendship and relations that have reached their highest point in history and joy now from the city that gives its name to a possible rival to nature. the shanghai cooperation organisation by mergers, professor into natural history. politics at the geneva graduate institute, and distinguish fellow insta international peace and security thinktank, the stimpson center professor jang language in. thank you so much, professor for coming on. i thought your lie said, i think it's apocryphal,

that it was too early to tell. as regards the french revolution at what's going on . china organizing saudi iran diplomatic deals and then a visit to moscow at huge change. yes, yes, i think this is a long in the making personal i think the basic idea behind is a strategic concept is to united states, particularly i'm united state, but europe can some extent has identified china be systemic royball or kind of cold war language. and basically, thinking about china, these face the last few years as pure 0 sum game anywhere, any place, anytime china, again, something will be their last china find a wonderful way of trying to have

a brace. yes. break so many, not just sir. the, the actual are the piece maybe effort, but also they try to affect public opinion in the world about china's rule in regional regional security issues. they cannot deal with united states any more. be honest, i'm on pile one question on other question. please much game of i if, and i'm not exactly right. so they say we can move around, but you mentioned reputation there, you mentioned reputation was the united states as out of the are amazing, arguable propaganda. department, i mean c, g t, n is banned in nato nations in britain, it's a banner, i'm sure you'll have one with amazement as every usa network as if in a totalitarian state covered the chinese spy balloon. as a, as

a multi $1000000.00 missiles were sent to destroy it. surely, it's a reputation of china in nato countries in the european union and in the united states as an all time low. oh, that's still true. but the, remember the u. s. mentality is something very close to. ah, early 19 fifties. and his hysterical, i must say that it's kind of penny. ah, where the penny come from, i believe is a deadly combination of 2 historical trains of thinking. populate in the west, now they combine together. when it's, whenever they think about china, one is the fear or decline. now remember this whole spangler a philosophy about a decline, the west and united states,

including number one for so long. suddenly phasing the possibility of declining is or spangler ism then combined with a racial concept which has been popular in late 19th century, that is yellow arrow. so least 2 things joined together. really frightened, just the american of foreign policy elite and is they were, they think is a real challenge. but the never use the language. i say what they trying to to do. but they, they disguise spangler ism, and the yellow peril sentiment with ideological in autocracy versus a democracy. it typical cold war tactic, though, it's not even since it, but surely those policy makers in washington realize that the components of, of, for all their technology come from china, the treasury bills, the bond holding ok, it's reduced july china,

but china is still as huge invest trying to pull the rug under the united states economy tomorrow. surely they understand that. what a question is, why china want to call the rock? china would love to 3, right? oh, snap 40 a. but it was all whatever system american created as long as they can. but a sadly, as they just cut short, no tech war is at the core. but don't forget, all slash wrangler is the 1st person cry wolf in the 1950s. last book, nobody reads it any more about technology. he said, never let slay. remember he galion languished master's lame relationship. never less late to own technology. they were destroy masters ecology so so nothing really new. oh me. it's just a, a history in that repetition. so, as is, have been there a long time. yeah, yeah. not sure if you know about our f,

scott fitzgerald, the views j. good. the great gatsby about spangler that he was a bit of a fan of his. and we know what happened here. that j gatsby, why does china then? if i, if he knows this, it knows these race, right ropes are being used against them. why does china continue to say facilitates or lank as i am afloat in the past few days rather than through bricks? why is it, i think it's given $500000000.00 to pakistan. $500000000.00 to facilitate i am f spending there. yeah. why does china seem to continue to support the bretton woods institutions actually? well they, when they saw it, they tried to support the result of britain was, which is called globalization free trade. remember, china is the last defendant almost today. the still try to defend free trade shooting paint speech at davos a couple of years ago. you know, i,

i never saw that i will see that in my life time. chinese come in is lead it as a leading, same thing of free and the globalization is u. s. don't forget the original founder of the brazil system not abundant the system twice. now 1st signed up and in the gold exchange relationship, which is a default on the world. now is the 2nd one that happened in globalization. so blame me, china more. that economic problem. it's kind of puts a horse before the cot. i don't even logically does not make sense. yeah. but many around the well believe the devil system is predicated on a lie that it's actually have hypocrisy that it rains under class, schwab say institution. and how long will the chinese communist party continue given the sanctions regime that prevents this the dream utopia. globalization that

is always spoken of in the endeavors. it was only the other day with ocho of indonesia said beware, it was a mastercard, and visa, well remembered sanctioned regime was revived. actually, precisely because us want to abandon the original system on original world order economic order in particular. now, one china can do because china hassling, free writing for so long. therefore, sanctions will heard china quite a lot. but china tried very, very hard to last. i will say start 10 years ago, at least, russian probably start even early d dollarization. this one, you know, concept russians have done wonderful it, by the way, the central did not destroy rubel. the price to everybody in the west. china will move in the same direction. eventually, they are selling massively to us and eventually will make r and b, you know,

the more important international currency. so they are preparing for the worse and at this moment, sanction, still working out to be able to damage chinese economy. but chinese are who are late. no one that takes a glove. oh, now, so to speak, less row, you know, less, less fine if he, if he wanted. because you know, say suffering quite a lot as well. would these functions? well, not those who have a jazz in arms companies, arguably china, obviously, you're right, you're right. arms companies are the only ones. yes. china as you, great relations, china's great relation to saudi arabia. we've had people on this show say, look, this talk of di dollarization. it's still in the interest of opec countries to keep the dollar rather than start trading in a say, the remnant b o or you one because in a sense,

the chinese currency is kind of pegged to the u. s. dollar. anyway, so why bother changing things? well, it's just a question on survival. this question also avoid the, the, what's chinese language, what's called long arm punishments of other countries, many sections and so long inter governmental. now, the whole point about this is, i think china try to lay, i'll try to get in more into the i added system, which is still, you know, the prison was legacy. if they cannot, they only option is to reduce the usage. i don't know whether or not a $1.10 continued to be as strong as it looks. i doubt many economies. so many historians dollar probably going to implode by itself. was this debt problem?

ah, you know, in how much money they, princeton last few years or so is so they will, i will say american government will pay the price for a dollar in pollution. next few years, the given the disparity wealth in the united states can the american government, the united states government can, they can go on raising interest rates are to protect the dollar regardless of the poverty and the destruction of infrastructure in investment in american industry. miller can con, it was spoken about be honest, i doubt the wrong or reagan, all the reagan the agree can no makes tried it. remember those say say they can race as high as the 15 cushion mother raising intrudes race based on the idea you can attract all those states. and reagan time, off money massively out money in to united states because these hot money talking

about diarrhea, oil shakes of everybody else crazy because they want to take make money. although the interest different, right. which was you referred to as the sustain dollars strain. not any more. ah, my sense is that because continental of the u. s. financial system banking system. government finance. it's a totally law despite whatever government try to pull it, you know, they are reaching a kind of i believe e less seek a conditions. now was this a dollar? so i know they can play a regional mix. one more time i to associate professor jackline, jenn, i'll stop you there more after this break. ah, ah,

ah! in 1834 france invaded algeria and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position. the colonists, known as p a. no ours took the best land from day one, the local population was put into an unequal position and was brutally exploited. this caused mass discontent. the people of jerry began their long term fight for independence. in 1954, the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress the rebellion using cruel measures. full villages were wiped out packs of georgia and executions of

civil people, including pregnant women children and old people took place more than 2000000 people were put into concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help the algerian patriots managed to induce france to start these negotiations. in 1962 evian records were signed, voting algeria in the past, towards independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price. algeria by rights is considered to be a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians, the french colonists are responsible for the debts of one and a half 1000000 algerians. ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professors young man gen chinese international relations scholar and distinguished fellow at the simpson center. i know you say it was a long time coming,

but do you think the chinese communist party was watching the defeat in afghanistan as well as the rio reaction by russia to create inserted bombing of don bass? are these 2 factors? yeah, the, the catalysts for the st. what looks like dramatic foreign policy initiatives, but she didn't bring sure. oh, well, yes i, i will say so. yes. ah, they really had the surgeon says you, this is shot and troy. ok. well, let's see how k all takes in. i say, to repeat this, i go a retreat after so many. yes. which of course the rushing are invasion out. i know chinese come and never use a word i. as a scholar, i will use that word invasion, which certainly is not abide by international law,

but don't forget again. china always sees nato enlargement as a threat, not only to russia. china also felt pressure when nature start east or expansion in 1987 and $8.00. nobody remembered that episode. how china react china almost panic and the time. yeah, but it will, china did. when the foremast media, nancy pelosi did die. while i was to do a big drill of him. you know, some people are asking why doesn't china? i don't know. she jen, paying visit havana, visit her, or do something more than just a big military drill right now. well, i don't think a timing is right, but don't forget this true true. this trail is not all. the other 3 is a different drill. this is the called the blockading strategy. this could be,

could be one of the future. i saw a military operation class. this is a actually provide opportunity for them to really have a real fire exercise surrounding talent though. so don't forget, this is the 1st time this is, this blockade could be one of the plans. you see? well, i mean then suddenly on fox news, they talk about it hook like that. that of course, the americans, i love that they have lots of personnel about for the all the bases that circle you in shanghai, the u. s. bases. yeah, 16 people, 16 chinese workers killed in the central african republic ahead of the she visit to moscow. china has a lot of infrastructure that could be bombed. we know that sy hersh revealed the destruction and perhaps the greatest infrastructure terror acts in all history. the

gnawed stream pipelines, applying energy to europe. surely china is very vulnerable in latin america, in africa and southeast asia. to any kind of cia nord stream style attack, that's possible, thus, as always possible, depending on how much or you know tension will develop between us and china. the say, if china started measure overseeing against tie one, will united states really do a full scale or fair with china? i doubt it really is slight biden's full. infamous hum slips. there's, we would do it. i don't, the u. s. military is ready. you as we know the overall strategy and even belief in deploying the risk. the only thing one with allies, something called la bullet quad, is really as rather primitive stage. i don't believe they're reaching the level of so called eater operability. the coordinate

a wool on pet i. what i did states apparently just in treasure i, they actually discussing us. yes, it's a huge issue. this is another major publication. if remember, it's not just transit, it's a who the question who was going to see her if he had anthony clinton. well, well, nothing will be in public, will it? it won't be in public. ah, let us system that you never, they're never able to keep secrets. don't forget it. so i'm sure it's going to be public if. if you look at the level anthony bulletin. that's a major measure. provocative. kevin mccarthy. yes, it's a measure one, but it does even one letter below nancy pelosi in terms of provocation because nancy pelosi are the same party wisant emigrant right. and so say that democratic

governments and the kevin is mccarthy is the opposition part mccarthy? of course he won't. you won't go in caesar. lensky is being attacked in nato nation media. what about japan? right, right. what about, i mean, we've seen about an expansion in the philippines. you're saying, you know, usually the rank biden does go for it. we've seen it in the philippines for me. okay. shita in clare of. what's that? what is that about as the i m f organizes a 15600000000 dollar deal, which presumably china must have known about because china invest in the i'm of sure. yeah. but a deal is not for military reasons, right? i may have to, will never did that deal for military reasons for japan and others. now, i'll fill you face to face, right. in the recent, you knew of a few basic. these are all part of what american called into pacific strategy. well, we know, i know that i followed very closely. the don't forget, i said,

is still relatively creative stage. they are try to form a strategic encirclement or contaminant military contaminant against china by this little it's a slow emotion, but it's there. but i doubt this is really very useful and reserve even pie one issue. it does not help. it does not help stabilize the taiwan straits at all. so because that could pro cook, he seek mina truly if you are sitting in beijing i, i'm under command the she to do. i have to wait until watching you slowly to finish your deployment. that's what they have been doing the past 20 years. yeah,

no, no, you know the last few years they really speak with 20 is they don't have caught that. i don't have all the other stuff. oh chris, you know with the u. k. so when i'm trying to say is we cannot watch you to do it because we are, we have convinced this is what you going to do to make, tie one, a separate political entity forever. that, that is the chinese ticklish. ok. despite the usaa directory will never change one china house. they don't even believe they are not changing. not, not mentioned chinese, there is 0. a serious communication tie. one question now. i mean, you see they talk about it, hong completed to from that wish. yeah, looking both ways is something that babs, yeah, i was shown from the i t c. arrest warrant for vladimir putin issued on the eve of the visit by his being to moscow because the usa they would invade holland.

if it is a good, good, good for book and amelia, for sure. yeah. yeah. if we can dispense with the i c. c them. what about the weapon? a zation of human rights? because as you know, and a given the each in the united states, you must have been aware of the propaganda campaign. and we, and we are actually showed on this program how the we go out of propaganda. story was amplified. as you expect. the weapon is ation of human rights to go on steroids, i should say kareem con the eyes. you see lawyers been on his show should we expect more and more stories saying that where you live, where you're speaking to be from shanghai is assess better for you on rights violations. i. oh, china always her, you know, we, we know jana has said, very serious human rights problems. it's that we're israel industry and really qualified as american defied s a genocide.

that's a not, as i don't agree to. i think the policy itself is wise. not really either. i will say i was criticized both sides, but who is a weaponized human race? that's my question. mainly the western part of the world, and that's my sense. now become a major instrument, short gray power to blows. remember during the original cold war, there is a human rights issue, harrassing here agreement. all that. you never hear the american leaders council using chinese companies 40 instead of people reform for china. ah, yeah, but i mean, arguably the global south doesn't have any language. the global side knows about abu ghraib and the prison on guantanamo. that's still open so i can agree that, that kind of, yeah. element really the idea that the very idea is trying to separate cummins

funding from p r c itself. it's a, it's not historical. they don't know of what they're talking about. b is not realistic. in any case, this is invented by people at palm pale. don't forget very much so it's become a common language now. the u. s. is either you or salinas are using bab some the european politician use is absurd. a using human rice issue as a major instrument full, great powered hunting river. i emphasized great politics. great. my apologies, you need to be pragmatic. you disagree with ideology regimes that you know, character, fine. but let's sit down to make a deal to see the ultimate issue is peace, all war. this is something many forgotten. europeans certainly, ah, the states are, they are not aware that their mission to have them to jump on american union that

show interpretation of taiwan issue. because remember, there was always a 2 size interpretation. if you follow the history of the taiwan questions. says that a recent nixon and henry kissinger, well, if the, if the united states is declining, we'll europe die before the united states as a power house of the, of the economy. i mean, i should say, europe is paying for this russian war. it's still buying russia assure. and obviously china is saying for the war by, by asking the sanctions, i don't know where the china was and weapons do you think china will send weapons to russia? i don't think they will send straight so forward. now, i don't, the russian, they're going to russia do is no, no, no river is always a possibility for do use his ah, how can you define, do, are you and says, sending witness to the russians. so do or use is always possible according to the

bilateral treaties trade treaty between china, russia, we continue. do you expect close and nuclear weapons cooperation already american think tanks are alarmed by the fact raw sat him and the china talking about close cooperation of nuclear weapons. ah, yeah. i saw the one their alarm. they remember before they asked china less have a nuclear talk. now today, the situation, as i say, is into a period of mccarthy's, almost like a mechanic. there is a black wife, 0. some. eli proposal a made by china and they have to say, what's the conspiracy behind it? you know what, what's driving that? oh, i don't know why i'm currently was howard belmar center kennedy school in a nuclear program. if you want to refer to that, i'm very happy because i'm still a research fellow there. we are working on that. i'm the one tried to, to track to,

you know, if we cannot do truck one. let's talk about nuclear issues. but so far, american side are less and they hinged their attitude before they push china is okay. so are we are really in the situation where communication become almost impossible. centers full great power relations, professors yang jenks. thank you. and that's in the show. remember, will be bringing you brand new episodes every saturday monday. so say june. meanwhile, you can keep in touch by all our social media. it's not sent, said in your country and had to our channel going undergone tv on rumble, dot com to watch new and old episodes going on the grant sees after, ah ah,

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